Re: [COOT] Dock sequence

2009-12-15 Thread Paul Emsley

Phil Evans wrote:

How does the Extensions->Dock sequence command work?

I've got a polyAla model, so I open the dialog, import a sequence file, click the "Sequence 
closest fragment" or "Sequence all fragments!"

Then I get in the terminal window something like

Sequence: ??QKDIGVKPEFSFN??
Confidence: 0.508934

From: LQQKDIGVKPEFSFNIP
Chain id: 0 Offset: 114


but nothing seems to have happened. 


has it failed? or worked?
  


OK, well that interface could do with improving.   As could the 
documentation - thanks for prodding me.


It has failed.  It needs 0.9 or greater confidence before it will add 
the sidechains (this basically Kevin's buccaneer code).


Paul.


Re: [COOT] Dock sequence

2009-12-15 Thread Kevin Cowtan

To expand on that:

If it chose not to dock sequence, then that basically means that the 
electron density doesn't provide compelling evidence for a particular 
sequence being right.


A score of 0.5 means that the next best sequence dock had exactly the 
same score as the best one. In practice, that means that you would do 
just as well docking random sequences into the density. Your score of 
0.508934 basically says that.


In practice I'd only expect an 18 residue trace to dock if the density 
is quite good and the C-alpha positions correspondingly good. That will 
vary a lot depending on resolution and the quality of the density. For a 
clear region in a 2.5A map, you've got a good chance, for a mobile loop 
then no chance. If it is mistraced of course, all bets are off.


Did you RSR everything first?

Also, the algorithm in Coot uses much of the same code, but run in a 
rather different manner from buccaneer, in order to achieve interactive 
speed. It might be worth trying buccaneer on it, but getting a longer 
fragment is more likely to make a difference.


If you want a test, get a known structure, convert to poly-ala, and chop 
it up a bit, and try sequencing the fragments of different length.


Kevin

Paul Emsley wrote:

Phil Evans wrote:

How does the Extensions->Dock sequence command work?

I've got a polyAla model, so I open the dialog, import a sequence 
file, click the "Sequence closest fragment" or "Sequence all fragments!"


Then I get in the terminal window something like

Sequence: ??QKDIGVKPEFSFN??
Confidence: 0.508934

From: LQQKDIGVKPEFSFNIP
Chain id: 0 Offset: 114


but nothing seems to have happened.
has it failed? or worked?
  


OK, well that interface could do with improving.   As could the 
documentation - thanks for prodding me.


It has failed.  It needs 0.9 or greater confidence before it will add 
the sidechains (this basically Kevin's buccaneer code).


Paul.