[coreboot] Coreboot or UEFI, who will be the winner.

2009-09-23 Thread Zheng Bao

I got a brief UEFI introduction. It seems that it is pretty close to coreboot.

They have same goal and face same problem. Any idea?

 

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Re: [coreboot] Coreboot or UEFI, who will be the winner.

2009-09-23 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 23.09.2009 15:29, Zheng Bao wrote:
 I got a brief UEFI introduction. It seems that it is pretty close to coreboot.

 They have same goal and face same problem. Any idea?
   

I think there are quite some differences which make coreboot the better
solution:
- The lowlevel parts of UEFI are closed source.
- UEFI is bigger/bloated.
- UEFI stays resident in memory.
- UEFI has to provide network/disk/video drivers which can/should be
used by the OS.

And if someone really wants EFI functionality, it is possible to run
UEFI as a coreboot payload. Besides that, if you want a completely
opensource firmware with UEFI, you have to use coreboot+UEFI because the
chipset/CPU init in UEFI is not open source.

Regards,
Carl-Daniel

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Re: [coreboot] Coreboot or UEFI, who will be the winner.

2009-09-23 Thread ron minnich
The killer for uefi for me are the security concerns.

For many outfits, nowadays, the closed nature, and the limited
control, of UEFI is worrisome.

Here's a simple rule: open source almost always wins. I've seen almost
no exceptions save maybe in compilers, and that only in special cases.
Open source is the water that wears down the rock.

There's more and more interest in the last two years in coreboot.
Customers really want it.

It's just that PC vendors are worried about providing it for some reason.

PC vendors need to be careful, they're building closed ecosystems now
around the PC platform. It's quite amazing how much more closed the PC
platform is than it was in 1994 or even 1999.

Closed ecosystems die.

Here at linuxcon and other recent conferences, all the real innovation
and cool stuff is ARM-based. PCs are those big, expensive, hot, closed
things that you're not allowed to hack. Really wonderful stuff being
done on OMAP 35.

ron

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