[coreboot] wiki backup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Now that the wiki is being retired, is there a backup of the wiki (database, files etc) so that someone else can host it elsewhere? For archival purposes. - -- Leah Rowe Please help me fund my Gender Reassignment Surgery! https://vimuser.org/surgery/ Libreboot developer and project founder. Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/ Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux. Support computer user freedom https://sfconservancy.org/ https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: https://minifree.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlsgDaoACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5S6SAf+MNJ36qj4FN3P5hnqrSKBwANS3A0J/fUQ2QsITn9DyXXrOlIXqityHcUQ 2nLND77YP4ztaRn9Obrn/2NsN4m6F+xbDY/0QyF7a1XVYL85KPVCAYHbk42yfTUL IKj69mEbOxVs97he2xVrAACsYkWusXcdi86aPLf2RcbltRHd+rfws3FUJW4yrnxI JKizxqydKMF/+Fxz+aoZR2K1hL82W2YGO0/fr6ZlHuZS8L4f8hmpbJGYdPUGcJTc YgWw+4HU9b/Nddv0uhKBNW1WXt0cEGEwweWqguK/Squ2OjBmn0KC4Cto/riuo9o3 kvPWQHMWMiKkebwA2uV5EsSU5NDI2Q== =ZFHp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
Hi On Tue, 2018-06-12 at 19:15 +0100, Leah Rowe wrote: > Hi, > > Now that the wiki is being retired, is there a backup of the wiki > (database, files etc) so that someone else can host it elsewhere? For > archival purposes. > The wiki is still reachable at coreboot.org/wiki. It is however read- only. Kind regards -- Arthur Heymans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
Leah Rowe schrieb am Di., 12. Juni 2018, 20:16: > Now that the wiki is being retired, is there a backup of the wiki > (database, files etc) so that someone else can host it elsewhere? For > archival purposes. > Various formats are available at https://www.coreboot.org/wikidump -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/06/18 19:48, Patrick Georgi wrote: > Leah Rowe schrieb am Di., 12. Juni 2018, > 20:16: > >> Now that the wiki is being retired, is there a backup of the >> wiki (database, files etc) so that someone else can host it >> elsewhere? For archival purposes. >> > > Various formats are available at https://www.coreboot.org/wikidump > Is this updated regularly? (the fact that the wiki is RO means this is probably a stupid question, but I ask it nonetheless in case I need to update my backups regularly) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlsgQZIACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5Q8aAf+PMPj1cifQTRlwv8BZxNyK3gSVTSBzPlupQKhqaGoXbB5Cl66KJkX1YV+ jJmLAIryy55KiftKd2gHxp5NVTNPHH2HpTARFgukG4KpP+AaRplmHqPkqmRv7pe8 4UWfB/fNttKgGCgkh+9ke5v/5IhO5HwjiMf0yQ9VkVIUC7RhzSI9tCaUw8igfW6o 6FyRWyVzN/WrYtwBDf743BDhHyMmu8uEJHo99OlIZX+1Jg84dX+p8JgJ5LLB/ntK Fj7loCMTCd3oRKUN/93j7/Ch8ESbvOaQYvvMzsJgKpTJevAPE4Ut0AHNoCovNWJR g+9XZyA6wurLQKAZjb4Phktk+PRH8g== =XBeY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/06/18 19:15, Leah Rowe wrote: > Hi, > > Now that the wiki is being retired, is there a backup of the wiki > (database, files etc) so that someone else can host it elsewhere? > For archival purposes. My question was answered by Patrick Georgi. I just wanted a backup of the wiki in case it was shut down in the future. Since coreboot is important to me, I have now downloaded those dumps of the wiki as suggested. I'm sure that most of the documentation from the wiki will be transferred over to coreboot.git. Thanks for answering my questions. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlsgQrAACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5T8fQf/SrTWbtK5AeIBbWoMDPblv0sjw5dupCzXGDBlbj/WsoxMXCHzuGGN3VLp RG8nO3cS6/XAWI5J42ZMObeBUmvskCJanHGAh6Iefv3GiOuRvmX629iInUo9CDK9 8CEU93D0s2zrbaJvuh+f1bgpFmoXLiSGdk99F5O1OzGg6BHmR2w37FL6MaSTqgN+ VZSnKez+IR/PkLqLokWKA/ydHH+lr6cAKKNUBxE+FSso8S90yqmGxFTvESkNojb1 7IeVQ6DfHA4jCQ2KrOLXzpnGIRD4d6ERpjmB2k0bMWQhcOiWuNi4zfejWf6JkCot zNeMeqofahysZb6NEEVnioeCcjIfKQ== =6GC6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
I do not like this... I update the wiki on a regular basis for the boards I use and I can't understand why another critical choice was made without input from the community? The new system has less features, doesn't look as good and does not feature the current articles. Policies like this make it very unfriendly to a new user and help ensure that either only expert firmware developers will be able to install coreboot themselves the average person will simply be forced to buy from a company that sells coreboot systems (of course none of them sell systems with real "free firmware") -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/06/18 05:28, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > I do not like this... > > I update the wiki on a regular basis for the boards I use and I > can't understand why another critical choice was made without input > from the community? > > The new system has less features, doesn't look as good and does > not feature the current articles. > > Policies like this make it very unfriendly to a new user and help > ensure that either only expert firmware developers will be able to > install coreboot themselves the average person will simply be > forced to buy from a company that sells coreboot systems (of course > none of them sell systems with real "free firmware") > Git is more portable than MediaWiki. It allows more people to be able to easily submit documentation changes. The documentation is in the repo under Documentation/ as Markdown files. Markdown is much simpler than the markup language used by MediaWiki. Plus you can make easy frontends for editing files in a git repository. E.g. GitHub does it. I wouldn't recommend use of GitHub since it's proprietary, but that's just an example. Where a user doesn't even need to understand git, they just log in and click "edit", edit whatever they like in a web interface and then that goes to a pull request for code review. I'm not sure if coreboot does that. We tried in Libreboot but it's currently not possible due to a limitation in Gogs, the software that we use for Git-based code review. So it's possible to have something wiki-like while being hosted in Git. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlsiUukACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5S6Zwf/fByVDDUvgQHjro6vJcrpzWSvRmyryhPf/y/Evn96rP4lCBaB9cRUVsRd +/1lggRNujj/SEaJrlTzbh+qlwXpObaGBaKDDsDOjuAREn3oXSkZ6hYzkRXbDMS/ OakFjkMjDiltZlX2e6eou7Yn2L1+J66pH5kNtXxFbINlE6LdJppRopRfgOtSVie5 3ManiKcHdMRRts2ZE/gUN5RU49jGs/pEAOFHUjb8dt/zyN6SsxGWnLS5fdOJ5s79 Xhv/C5MDXSlZrmv8rGvV8qw90QVDmx9wkaw4r+w9FCPIRBB7J5cxbEUSJ6T8eWIy 38oCoaIURTOEgG6Q6QwiXbHrPAaHfw== =CByM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
I feel like we've discussed this a number of times, but maybe it hasn't happened completely in open forums where everyone involved can see it. If that's the case, I apologize. This isn't really a decision that can just be voted upon and if enough people want to keep the wiki, the direction would change. This isn't an arbitrary decision on the part of the coreboot leadership, but something that's been a very long time coming, with a number of reasons. * When the wiki was started, we didn't really think about licensing, so most of what's been written needs to be scrapped as we're not going to go back and contact all of the original authors, many of whom are no longer part of the project, to see if it's OK to update the license on their contribution. As we've joined the SFC and committed to having all of our documentation correctly licensed with an appropriate license, this means that we'd be starting over, regardless of whether we stuck with a wiki or changed to something else. * The wiki requires a separate login from everything else, which has to be created manually. We've gotten criticism for only allowing wiki access to "a few coreboot elites". People can sign up for a gerrit account and contribute to the coreboot documentation with pretty minimal restrictions. * The wiki has no integrated method of getting feedback or reviews from people, so documentation written can be, and has been, wrong for a long time before anyone noticed. Moving to gerrit at least guarantees that two people will look at what's added before it's integrated. * Moving the wiki into git puts the documentation where the source code is, so it's more likely to get updated as the source code changes. * Most of the wiki is developer oriented, not user oriented, so again, having that documentation alongside the source tree makes sense. Currently the coreboot admins are mostly focused on development, and while that may be an issue, it's the way that the coreboot project has evolved. We've talked at conferences in the past about having a more user-oriented site, but the decision has generally been that it's something better handled externally. If someone wants to invest the time to start and run a coreboot or open-source firmware related site, we can certainly evaluate adding a link to it from the coreboot.org page. We've got links to various sites already on the "End Users" page (https://coreboot.org/users.html). The website itself is also in git, so feel free to submit appropriate changes. Martin On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:37 AM taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > I do not like this... > > I update the wiki on a regular basis for the boards I use and I can't > understand why another critical choice was made without input from the > community? > > The new system has less features, doesn't look as good and does not > feature the current articles. > > Policies like this make it very unfriendly to a new user and help ensure > that either only expert firmware developers will be able to install > coreboot themselves the average person will simply be forced to buy from > a company that sells coreboot systems (of course none of them sell > systems with real "free firmware") > > -- > coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org > https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/06/18 19:01, Martin Roth wrote: > * When the wiki was started, we didn't really think about > licensing, so most of what's been written needs to be scrapped as > we're not going to go back and contact all of the original authors, > many of whom are no longer part of the project, to see if it's OK > to update the license on their contribution. As we've joined the > SFC and committed to having all of our documentation correctly > licensed with an appropriate license, this means that we'd be > starting over, regardless of whether we stuck with a wiki or > changed to something else. This is also by virtue of the way MediaWiki is designed. > * The wiki requires a separate login from everything else, which > has to be created manually. We've gotten criticism for only > allowing wiki access to "a few coreboot elites". People can sign > up for a gerrit account and contribute to the coreboot > documentation with pretty minimal restrictions. Not only that, but it wasn't clear how to get an account in the first place. By the way, what do you think of the idea I floated in a previous message? My idea is to have some kind of web interface where a non-technical user who doesn't know how to use git can browse the documentation on the website and click "edit", which will take them to the appropriate markdown file in the repository. When they're done, they give their edit a title and description, which becomes the commit message, and their contribution gets sent to code review (Gerrit). How feasible do you think this would be? It would give some of the ease of use of MediaWiki as before, while still having all of the advantages that you listed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlsitYoACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5T9tgf/bI99R/vZct45z5PiUjwsfLGAPWRVyI5Eni+rUTV9bjGRSLueCyu0o55n cJjk7Oy6NNlzsKxe5qZOQGXgVvO3XNFfmgIptw6NYL8IIYpcwff0GLxwn4K6BQFL uo0lLb8hNM7H28rOc2hf4p198LeqWGpsgg9CKGKOckZMpmf/AZ+ONltGPRtUYLCD qTuSkA29rPtr3CfIqpLUHGThrpRJBcAYCeOSpDuXwnOewSj3i4WB4jbEjEvXNoIg aHgBcAPx+Ce+xy5MQ7A6PXiRNDWRfRQN6SpOgh+7kMVsbOM+2kOVerJtBKb4G32/ XB+O7NSFaRX1CU8g0NzURtofgMvjXg== =AQkC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:35 PM Leah Rowe wrote: > On 14/06/18 19:01, Martin Roth wrote: > > * The wiki requires a separate login from everything else, which > > has to be created manually. > Not only that, but it wasn't clear how to get an account in the first > place. I guess I didn't realize that it was a problem. If you clicked 'log in' in the top of the wiki, it told you who to email along with their addresses. "If you don't have an account and wish to contribute contact Stefan Reinauer or Patrick Georgi and tell them what exactly you want to contribute." https://web.archive.org/web/2015103952/http://www.coreboot.org:80/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Welcome+to+coreboot > By the way, what do you think of the idea I floated in a previous > message? My idea is to have some kind of web interface where a > non-technical user who doesn't know how to use git can browse the > documentation on the website and click "edit", which will take them to > the appropriate markdown file in the repository. When they're done, > they give their edit a title and description, which becomes the commit > message, and their contribution gets sent to code review (Gerrit). > > How feasible do you think this would be? > It would give some of the ease of use of MediaWiki as before, while > still having all of the advantages that you listed. I have no issue with that if someone wanted to work on it. It might still cause some difficulties because those people probably wouldn't be able to respond to requests for updates in gerrit, and they wouldn't necessarily follow the rest of the rules we have for submitting to coreboot, but maybe those issues could be worked out. Maybe a documentation administrator could shepherd the patches the rest of the way through the process. As far as feasibility, I'm sure it could be done, it would just take someone committed to making it happen. Martin -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] wiki backup
On 06/14/2018 08:41 PM, Martin Roth wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:35 PM Leah Rowe wrote: >> On 14/06/18 19:01, Martin Roth wrote: > >>> * The wiki requires a separate login from everything else, which >>> has to be created manually. >> Not only that, but it wasn't clear how to get an account in the first >> place> > I guess I didn't realize that it was a problem. If you clicked 'log > in' in the top of the wiki, it told you who to email along with their > addresses. Yeah it was quite clear to me how to get an account when I first wanted to contribute and it only took a few days to get approved despite the fact that I am certainly not a member of the coreboot elite xD > "If you don't have an account and wish to contribute contact Stefan > Reinauer or Patrick Georgi and tell them what exactly you want to > contribute." > https://web.archive.org/web/2015103952/http://www.coreboot.org:80/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Welcome+to+coreboot I must say that Mr. georgi was quite welcoming in granting me an account as a new user - and I have repaid that with a many helpful edits and created pages. >> By the way, what do you think of the idea I floated in a previous >> message? My idea is to have some kind of web interface where a >> non-technical user who doesn't know how to use git can browse the >> documentation on the website and click "edit", which will take them to >> the appropriate markdown file in the repository. When they're done, >> they give their edit a title and description, which becomes the commit >> message, and their contribution gets sent to code review (Gerrit). >> >> How feasible do you think this would be? >> It would give some of the ease of use of MediaWiki as before, while >> still having all of the advantages that you listed. > > I have no issue with that if someone wanted to work on it. It might > still cause some difficulties because those people probably wouldn't > be able to respond to requests for updates in gerrit An email could be automatically sent to them for that, and then replying to it could automatically create a reply on gerrit. > and they > wouldn't necessarily follow the rest of the rules we have for > submitting to coreboot, but maybe those issues could be worked out. > Maybe a documentation administrator could shepherd the patches the > rest of the way through the process.> > As far as feasibility, I'm sure it could be done, it would just take > someone committed to making it happen. This would be quite nice in terms of usability and I very much hope someone makes it. Also can someone answer: I presume that editing the wiki it requires my "real" name as it is on git? -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
