[CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

2019-11-03 Thread Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList 
Altedesert C of I

From PRONI Guide to Church Records, Baptisms 1877-; marriages 1846-; and 
burials 1877- are in “local custody", yet Len Swindley’s transcriptions mention 
FHL Film and suggest filming by PRONI staff.  Does this mean the same records 
are in two places, PRONI and local?

In any case, as Len Swindley has transcribed marriages 1846-1852 which 
hopefully overlaps into nidirect marriage records (from 1845 depending on 
denomination) if one is looking for such marriages and baptisms and burials 
before 1877 (baptisms and deaths from 1877 are well into nidirect records) 
there does not seem much point in viewing these records wherever they are, 
except for the slim chance of picking up something not registered.  Is that a 
reasonable statement?

Pomeroy Presbyterian

From the PRONI Guide, Baptisms 1841-1967, Marriages 1845-1936 records appear to 
be at PRONI MIC1P/20 and available to be perused.

From all this, it would seem pointless to go to these two localities for 
information, other than viewing the graveyard at Pomeroy Presbyterian (no 
graveyard at Altedesert Parish Church)?

Appreciate any comments.

Regards

Peter McKittrick, Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia___
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

2019-11-03 Thread Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList 

Peter,

Sometimes serendipity reveals a link. Several years ago I was viewing 
microfiche copies of Irish Censuses made available through the local 
(Adelaide) LDS library. There was a small cost, but the search was worth 
it. After locating and finding what I wanted, I happened to flick over a 
few pages, as you do, and noticed a familiar name and guess what? It was 
that of the birth place of my grandmother! Something that had escaped 
the family historians. So occasionally just unstructured browsing over 
old records can be useful, if tedious.


Gordon

On 4/11/2019 3:37 pm, Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList wrote:

_Altedesert C of I_

From PRONI Guide to Church Records, Baptisms 1877-; marriages 1846-; 
and burials 1877- are in “local custody", yet Len Swindley’s 
transcriptions mention FHL Film and suggest filming by PRONI staff. 
 Does this mean the same records are in two places, PRONI and local?


In any case, as Len Swindley has transcribed marriages 1846-1852 which 
hopefully overlaps into nidirect marriage records (from 1845 depending 
on denomination) if one is looking for such marriages and baptisms and 
burials before 1877 (baptisms and deaths /from/ 1877 are well into 
nidirect records) there does not seem much point in viewing these 
records wherever they are, except for the slim chance of picking up 
something not registered.  Is that a reasonable statement?


_Pomeroy Presbyterian_

From the PRONI Guide, Baptisms 1841-1967, Marriages 1845-1936 records 
appear to be at PRONI MIC1P/20 and available to be perused.


From all this, it would seem pointless to go to these two localities 
for information, other than viewing the graveyard at Pomeroy 
Presbyterian (no graveyard at Altedesert Parish Church)?


Appreciate any comments.

Regards

Peter McKittrick, Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

2019-11-03 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
Peter,
My thoughts are that you are looking at two different sets of records: it is 
perhaps rather easy to be confused.

My transcriptions for ALTEDESERT  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html
and POMEROY https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/pomeroy.html
churches (as stated on the headers) are extracted from Civil Registration 
records which were filmed by the LDS in the 1960s. These are distinct from 
church registers.

The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil.

Many civil records are available online (with images from c1864) at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html

Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Cc: Peter McKittrick 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy 
Presbyterian Records

Altedesert C of I

>From PRONI Guide to Church Records, Baptisms 1877-; marriages 1846-; and 
>burials 1877- are in “local custody", yet Len Swindley’s transcriptions 
>mention FHL Film and suggest filming by PRONI staff.  Does this mean the same 
>records are in two places, PRONI and local?

In any case, as Len Swindley has transcribed marriages 1846-1852 which 
hopefully overlaps into nidirect marriage records (from 1845 depending on 
denomination) if one is looking for such marriages and baptisms and burials 
before 1877 (baptisms and deaths from 1877 are well into nidirect records) 
there does not seem much point in viewing these records wherever they are, 
except for the slim chance of picking up something not registered.  Is that a 
reasonable statement?

Pomeroy Presbyterian

>From the PRONI Guide, Baptisms 1841-1967, Marriages 1845-1936 records appear 
>to be at PRONI MIC1P/20 and available to be perused.

>From all this, it would seem pointless to go to these two localities for 
>information, other than viewing the graveyard at Pomeroy Presbyterian (no 
>graveyard at Altedesert Parish Church)?

Appreciate any comments.

Regards

Peter McKittrick, Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

2019-11-04 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
And alsolet’s not ignore the variations in the spelling of townlands 
and occasionally the insertion of incorrect fathers’ names of the contracting 
parties. If possible, it is useful to refer to the original (church) records.

Civil registration records (commencing 1845 for Protestant marriages) can be 
located in the indexes found on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ with free 
online images from c1864.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Kathleen Cooper 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:29:10 AM
To: cotyronelist 
Cc: len_swindley 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy 
Presbyterian Records

Len said:

"The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil."

And possibly with different information. My grandmother's birth was recorded as 
Bella and Isabella. A gg-uncle was recorded as William Cunningham Fulton in the 
valuations (transcribed as William Cunningham) but his birth record, if I have 
the right man!, states William Fulton. The Cunningham fits, as it is a thread 
throughout the family, but I would love to see the church record.

The more sources the better!

Kathleen





 On Sun, 03 Nov 2019 23:38:12 -0800 Len Swindley via 
CoTyroneList wrote 


Peter,

My thoughts are that you are looking at two different sets of records: it is 
perhaps rather easy to be confused.



My transcriptions for ALTEDESERT  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html

and POMEROY https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/pomeroy.html

churches (as stated on the headers) are extracted from Civil Registration 
records which were filmed by the LDS in the 1960s. These are distinct from 
church registers.



The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil.



Many civil records are available online (with images from c1864) at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html



Good luck,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Altedesert C of I

>From PRONI Guide to Church Records, Baptisms 1877-; marriages 1846-; and 
>burials 1877- are in “local custody", yet Len Swindley’s transcriptions 
>mention FHL Film and suggest filming by PRONI staff.  Does this mean the same 
>records are in two places, PRONI and local?

In any case, as Len Swindley has transcribed marriages 1846-1852 which 
hopefully overlaps into nidirect marriage records (from 1845 depending on 
denomination) if one is looking for such marriages and baptisms and burials 
before 1877 (baptisms and deaths from 1877 are well into nidirect records) 
there does not seem much point in viewing these records wherever they are, 
except for the slim chance of picking up something not registered.  Is that a 
reasonable statement?

Pomeroy Presbyterian

>From the PRONI Guide, Baptisms 1841-1967, Marriages 1845-1936 records appear 
>to be at PRONI MIC1P/20 and available to be perused.

>From all this, it would seem pointless to go to these two localities for 
>information, other than viewing the graveyard at Pomeroy Presbyterian (no 
>graveyard at Altedesert Parish Church)?

Appreciate any comments.

Regards

Peter McKittrick, Cheltenham, Victoria, Australia
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Altedesert Parish C of I Records and Pomeroy Presbyterian Records

2019-11-05 Thread Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList 
Hi Len

I am interested in the lists of all families in particular the McKee  and Evans 
family from Pomeroy Cavanakeeran up to and around  1838. As you have mentioned 
before records for that period are hard to come by. In the Church records 
section of Pomeroy below it mentions the Pomeroy tithe applotment book (1829)   
Index to Townlands and Towns, Parishes and Baronies in Ireland (1851) and 
Heather, Peat and Stone-O’Kane have been consulted in an attempt to confirm 
families and townland addresses.

How does one find these records? The site I used to access Tithe and Applotment 
books from are no longer available on line. Is there a new or alternative site? 
Would the other records (Heather, peat and Stone-o'Kane) you mention help me? 
Thanks for a wonderful site and great work.

Cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2019-11-04 2:38 a.m., Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Peter,
My thoughts are that you are looking at two different sets of records: it is 
perhaps rather easy to be confused.

My transcriptions for ALTEDESERT  
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html
and POMEROY https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/pomeroy.html
churches (as stated on the headers) are extracted from Civil Registration 
records which were filmed by the LDS in the 1960s. These are distinct from 
church registers.

The filmed records in PRONI, Belfast are of the actual Church Registers, so it 
is possible to locate two records for marriages: one religious and the other 
civil.

Many civil records are available online (with images from c1864) at 
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/altedesert.html

Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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