Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Duffins in 1826 Ballyclog
Thanks Gordon,When I look at things again, and take the 4th column as 5 acres for James, and the next column as 3 roods 2 perches, and do similar for the other Duffins, it comes to 23 acres which is the amount that Patrick had for the Griffith. So it would appear that he took over all the land when the others emigrated. However, that would mean that no conversion factor is involved.Peggy Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 11:02 PM, Peggy Gordon wrote: I think I get it. For instance, James has 5 acres at a rate of 1 shilling 3 pence and 3 acres 2 roods at 1 shilling 0 pence which totals 9 shilling 9 pence tithe. All of them have 8 acres 2 roods but at slightly different rates. The equal acreages and the fact that all the names are together probably means they got the land from an ancestor - all in the family.But I still don’t know the location. The Griffith has maps but I don’t think the tithes do. Is there any other way to find out the location? All of them had emigrated except Patrick before the evaluation.Peggy Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 9:15 PM, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList wrote: HI Peggy, The first column is just a convenient number. A/R/P columns stand for acres, roods, perches - the area of the block of land/farm. 1 acre=4 roods=160 perches. A perch is just under 35 m2. and there are about 2½ acres to the hectare. The £/s/D are the old currency: pounds/shillings/pence the 1st ... 6th are the rate of tithe per acre, the rate, I presume, depending on the value/quality/productivity of the land. For an explanation of tithes and who receives the 'cash', refer to the CoTI web. Len has some good info there. This sort of info is really excellent in pinpointing where (and when) the farmer worked the land. For locating the actual Townland I found the Ask About Ireland - Griffith site v. useful. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ They even have the old maps which show the actual farm within the townland and you can overlay the modern map and invoke a satelite image. Great stuff. Hope this helps. Gordon (no relation ;-)) On 4/09/2019 9:51 am, Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList wrote: Hello, Today I went to the nearest family history centre to view the tithes for the Parish of Ballyclog in 1826. I was hoping to learn the exact location of their land in Kilsally. But that doesn't seem to be the case. The different columns seem to relate to the quality of the land and then possibly the quantity of land of that quality. The four Duffins are listed one after the other so presume are next to each other. There is James, Mark, Patrick and David. I know that Patrick's father was David and that James who emigrated had a brother Mark who also supposedly emigrated although I can't find him anywhere in the USA. Perhaps he didn't survive the trip. Or went elsewhere. Can anyone explain how these records work? Thank you Peggy ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY -- _ Nereda & Gordon Wilkinson, Hyde Park, South Australia. Web: www.ozemail.com.au/~neredon Skype id: neredon Emails: gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.aunereda.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Duffins in 1826 Ballyclog
I think I get it. For instance, James has 5 acres at a rate of 1 shilling 3 pence and 3 acres 2 roods at 1 shilling 0 pence which totals 9 shilling 9 pence tithe. All of them have 8 acres 2 roods but at slightly different rates. The equal acreages and the fact that all the names are together probably means they got the land from an ancestor - all in the family.But I still don’t know the location. The Griffith has maps but I don’t think the tithes do. Is there any other way to find out the location? All of them had emigrated except Patrick before the evaluation.Peggy Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 9:15 PM, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList wrote: HI Peggy, The first column is just a convenient number. A/R/P columns stand for acres, roods, perches - the area of the block of land/farm. 1 acre=4 roods=160 perches. A perch is just under 35 m2. and there are about 2½ acres to the hectare. The £/s/D are the old currency: pounds/shillings/pence the 1st ... 6th are the rate of tithe per acre, the rate, I presume, depending on the value/quality/productivity of the land. For an explanation of tithes and who receives the 'cash', refer to the CoTI web. Len has some good info there. This sort of info is really excellent in pinpointing where (and when) the farmer worked the land. For locating the actual Townland I found the Ask About Ireland - Griffith site v. useful. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ They even have the old maps which show the actual farm within the townland and you can overlay the modern map and invoke a satelite image. Great stuff. Hope this helps. Gordon (no relation ;-)) On 4/09/2019 9:51 am, Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList wrote: Hello, Today I went to the nearest family history centre to view the tithes for the Parish of Ballyclog in 1826. I was hoping to learn the exact location of their land in Kilsally. But that doesn't seem to be the case. The different columns seem to relate to the quality of the land and then possibly the quantity of land of that quality. The four Duffins are listed one after the other so presume are next to each other. There is James, Mark, Patrick and David. I know that Patrick's father was David and that James who emigrated had a brother Mark who also supposedly emigrated although I can't find him anywhere in the USA. Perhaps he didn't survive the trip. Or went elsewhere. Can anyone explain how these records work? Thank you Peggy ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY -- _ Nereda & Gordon Wilkinson, Hyde Park, South Australia. Web: www.ozemail.com.au/~neredon Skype id: neredon Emails: gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.aunereda.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Duffins in 1826 Ballyclog
HI Peggy, The first column is just a convenient number. A/R/P columns stand for acres, roods, perches - the area of the block of land/farm. 1 acre=4 roods=160 perches. A perch is just under 35 m^2 . and there are about 2½ acres to the hectare. The £/s/D are the old currency: pounds/shillings/pence the 1st ... 6th are the rate of tithe per acre, the rate, I presume, depending on the value/quality/productivity of the land. For an explanation of tithes and who receives the 'cash', refer to the CoTI web. Len has some good info there. This sort of info is really excellent in pinpointing where (and when) the farmer worked the land. For locating the actual Townland I found the Ask About Ireland - Griffith site v. useful. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ They even have the old maps which show the actual farm within the townland and you can overlay the modern map and invoke a satelite image. Great stuff. Hope this helps. Gordon (no relation ;-)) On 4/09/2019 9:51 am, Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList wrote: Hello, Today I went to the nearest family history centre to view the tithes for the Parish of Ballyclog in 1826. I was hoping to learn the exact location of their land in Kilsally. But that doesn't seem to be the case. The different columns seem to relate to the quality of the land and then possibly the quantity of land of that quality. The four Duffins are listed one after the other so presume are next to each other. There is James, Mark, Patrick and David. I know that Patrick's father was David and that James who emigrated had a brother Mark who also supposedly emigrated although I can't find him anywhere in the USA. Perhaps he didn't survive the trip. Or went elsewhere. Can anyone explain how these records work? Thank you Peggy ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY -- _ Nereda & Gordon Wilkinson, Hyde Park, South Australia. Web: www.ozemail.com.au/~neredon Skype id: neredon Emails: gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.aunereda.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au ___ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com Change Your Preferences: http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
