Re: [courier-users] journald logging

2017-03-24 Thread Bernd Plagge
Thanks Gordon!

> On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:17:20 +
> From: Gordon Messmer 
> 
> On 03/22/2017 01:32 AM, Bernd Plagge wrote:
> > It seems that you're running journal without syslog, rsyslog or syslog-ng. 
> > Is this correct?  
> 
> The default configuration for CentOS 7 runs journald as the primary log 
> recipient ("lsof /dev/log" will show systemd and systemd-journal), and 
> rsyslogd using journald as a message source ("sModLoad imjournal" 
> appears in rsyslog.conf).
> 
> The journal's content doesn't depend on rsyslogd running.  I see the 
> same log patterns with rsyslogd running that I do when rsyslogd is stopped.
> 
> > Does this require particular journald.conf settings?  
> 
> It shouldn't.
> 
> > Do you happen to have a link to the configuration description.  
> 
> 
> Not that I can find.


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Re: [courier-users] RBL answers

2017-03-24 Thread Sam Varshavchik

David Niklas writes:


On 03/10/2017(Fri) 15:35
> That's the other thing that the blacklists definitely don't want:
> excessi ve queries. Making two queries instead of one will put extra
> load on the blacklists, and slow down your mail delivery.
Well isn't that what they want, two quires instead of one?


No. From the looks of it, they want either an A or a TXT query.


> That's why I think that getting rid of ANY is counter-productive. But,
> it 's their call to make, so we'll go with that.
Why not tell them that courier has a valid use case for the ANY query?


I think they're smart enough to understand how DNS works. I don't need to  
tell them that.


I can't quite put my finger on why exactly I believe that this would be a  
waste of energy, trying to fight it. Call it a sixth sense, of sorts, of me  
being involved in this industry for a while.






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Re: [courier-users] RBL answers

2017-03-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
>On 03/10/2017(Fri) 15:35
>Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
>> SZÉPE Viktor writes:
>>
>> > Idézem/Quoting Sam Varshavchik :
>> >
>> > > In the long run this will be counterproductive, since the existing
>> > > blacklists will now result in a generic "Access denied." bounces,
>> > > instead of the blacklist-provided message that will point back to
>> > > the blacklist. But, it's their decision to make.
>> >
>> > I think Courier should issue an A query and if it is positive than a
>> > TXT one to get the description.
>> >
>> > What do you think about it?
>>
>> That's the other thing that the blacklists definitely don't want:
>> excessi ve queries. Making two queries instead of one will put extra
>> load on the blacklists, and slow down your mail delivery.
>Well isn't that what they want, two quires instead of one?
>
>> That's why I think that getting rid of ANY is counter-productive. But,
>> it 's their call to make, so we'll go with that.


On 24.03.17 16:09, David Niklas wrote:
>Why not tell them that courier has a valid use case for the ANY query?

why do you think they would listen?
They need to learn the hard way...

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Re: [courier-users] RBL answers

2017-03-24 Thread David Niklas
On 03/10/2017(Fri) 15:35
Sam Varshavchik  wrote:
> SZÉPE Viktor writes:
> 
> > Idézem/Quoting Sam Varshavchik :
> >  
> > > In the long run this will be counterproductive, since the existing
> > > blacklists will now result in a generic "Access denied." bounces,
> > > instead of the blacklist-provided message that will point back to
> > > the blacklist. But, it's their decision to make.  
> >
> > I think Courier should issue an A query and if it is positive than a
> > TXT one to get the description.
> >
> > What do you think about it?  
> 
> That's the other thing that the blacklists definitely don't want:
> excessi ve queries. Making two queries instead of one will put extra
> load on the blacklists, and slow down your mail delivery.
Well isn't that what they want, two quires instead of one?

> That's why I think that getting rid of ANY is counter-productive. But,
> it 's their call to make, so we'll go with that.
Why not tell them that courier has a valid use case for the ANY query?


Thanks,
David

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