[Coworking] Re: How to add my space to the wiki.coworking.org Directory
Hi, Thanks for setting up a wiki to list all coworking spaces. If you were successful, can you please post Second Workspace, Fremont, CA to the listing? Thanks in advance, SW On Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:57:41 AM UTC-7, Lisa Anne Logan wrote: Hi there, I've requested access through the join this workspace link a few times in recent months and never received a response. Is anyone else having this issue? Is there an active admin/moderator for this workspace currently? in particular, I'd like to add my space to the San Francisco directory listing, and it seems I need access to do so. http://wiki.coworking.org/w/page/16583935/SanFranciscoCoworking Thanks for any help, LA Lisa Anne Logan Director of Marketing and Operations Hattery l...@hattery.com javascript: 415.205.5325 -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
Coworking mafia. On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:28:16 AM UTC-7, Tony Bacigalupo wrote: they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. This illustrates the issue perfectly. If Brad had invented something that sounded more proprietary, like Bradworking, then there'd be no issue. But by calling it something so simple that anyone who saw it could immediately understand what it was, he made something that could more easily blossom into a global movement. The fact that neither he nor anyone else retained control over the word further allowed for that blossoming, but at a cost. If there's no authority on the word, issues like this become difficult to overcome. The only way I could see us making headway would be if some subset of us formed a sufficiently powerful coalition that could wield some kind of authority over the word, without violating the decentralized spirit of the movement. *--- + Personal: twitter http://twitter.com/tonybgoode • fb http://facebook.com/tonybacigalupo • linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybacigalupo+ Projects: NWC http://nwc.co/ • Bossless http://bossless.co/ • Meetup http://meetup.com/coworking-nyc • NYTM http://nytm.org/+ Recent posts: Quarantining new ideas for monthly review http://happymonster.co/2014/08/20/quarantining-new-ideas-for-monthly-review/ • Routine challenges http://happymonster.co/2014/08/14/routine-challenges/ • Act IV http://happymonster.co/2014/08/08/act-iv/* *+ Currently reading: Nonviolent Communication http://amzn.to/1sBVeoR • Passages http://amzn.to/1p8rNai • Work http://amzn.to/1utpc0l* *+ Travel plans: NYC now-9/11 • Boulder 9/11-9/18 • Seattle 9/18-23 • NYC 9/24-Mid-October+ Help: I'm looking for a fab 1BR in south Brooklyn. Let me know if you have any leads!+ Upcoming: IndieCon NYC 2014 NWC's sixth anniversary party. http://indiecon2.eventbrite.com Join!* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jacob Sayles ja...@officenomads.com javascript: wrote: I haven't heard any movement on it but I'd love to see us take another stab at it. Lauren, our newest employee, had some great ideas on what we could do to grease the skids for the AP but she's only worked here one week so she may need some time to settle in. :) Sometimes you just have to let it go. For the NYTimes article on the Coworking Visa recently I went to bat just like you did and got a similar response. Funny though they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, oren.s...@gmail.com javascript: oren.s...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: There hasn't been any movement on this in 3 years. Anyone have an update? Liz? Alex? Tony? Jacob? Anybody? I had no idea how bad this issue was. I encountered this today with some press being written on Fort Work in the Dallas media today. When I saw the article posted, I saw a few misquotes about coworking statistics as well as the misspelling of coworking (hyphen included, not the cowering autocorrect). When I requested that both be corrected, the writer told me she could change (or omit) the quotes, but that AP style guides forbid her from changing the spelling of coworking. Here's her actual response (C+P'ed below): Hi Oren, I’ll take a look at the microsite — thank you! I’ll also rework your quote, or take it out entirely to make to correct the statement. On the word co-working, this is an AP style that’s out of our control. Again, I’ll take a look at the details first thing in the morning and will make the changes immediately. Thank for the email. I really appreciate it. Take care, On Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:29:20 AM UTC-5, sop...@deskwanted.com wrote: Hi everyone, For a while now we've been annoyed about the resurgence in the use of the hyphenated version of the word coworking. As you all know, most major media outlets these days write it as co-working. Deskmag recently published an article explaining why this is happening: it's because the AP Stylebook has decided that co-working is the correct form. However, we'd like to ask for your assistance in helping AP change their minds! We've put out a call for people to bombard AP with the following tweet: @APStylebook #Coworking is not Co-working. It’s an independent movement that doesn’t want to be separated by a hyphen! For a backgrounder on why we think the word should be without a hyphen, have a read of the article: http://www.deskmag.com/en/ coworking-or-co-working-with-hyphen-252 What do you all think? I know this is an old issue, but it's important to get the name right, right? Sophie Deskmag/Deskwanted --
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
The hyphenation battle is a tough one to win because of the AP stylebook challenge. I find I'm encountering camel-case more often though, and usually on city/county documents where they don't duplicate form data the same way I've entered it. CoWork is fairly annoying, particularly when it's part of our name (Cowork Frederick), but when they give us the double-whammy and make us Co-Work Frederick, I start to think they're just doing it to mess with me. It reminds me of a comedy video about Starbucks baristas deliberately misspelling names on the cups. --- Glen Ferguson Cowork Frederick 122 E Patrick St Frederick, MD 21701-5630 +1 (301) 732-5165 www.coworkfrederick.com On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Tony Bacigalupo t...@nwc.co wrote: they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. This illustrates the issue perfectly. If Brad had invented something that sounded more proprietary, like Bradworking, then there'd be no issue. But by calling it something so simple that anyone who saw it could immediately understand what it was, he made something that could more easily blossom into a global movement. The fact that neither he nor anyone else retained control over the word further allowed for that blossoming, but at a cost. If there's no authority on the word, issues like this become difficult to overcome. The only way I could see us making headway would be if some subset of us formed a sufficiently powerful coalition that could wield some kind of authority over the word, without violating the decentralized spirit of the movement. *--- + Personal: twitter http://twitter.com/tonybgoode • fb http://facebook.com/tonybacigalupo • linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybacigalupo+ Projects: NWC http://nwc.co/ • Bossless http://bossless.co/ • Meetup http://meetup.com/coworking-nyc • NYTM http://nytm.org/+ Recent posts: Quarantining new ideas for monthly review http://happymonster.co/2014/08/20/quarantining-new-ideas-for-monthly-review/ • Routine challenges http://happymonster.co/2014/08/14/routine-challenges/ • Act IV http://happymonster.co/2014/08/08/act-iv/* *+ Currently reading: Nonviolent Communication http://amzn.to/1sBVeoR • Passages http://amzn.to/1p8rNai • Work http://amzn.to/1utpc0l* *+ Travel plans: NYC now-9/11 • Boulder 9/11-9/18 • Seattle 9/18-23 • NYC 9/24-Mid-October+ Help: I'm looking for a fab 1BR in south Brooklyn. Let me know if you have any leads!+ Upcoming: IndieCon NYC 2014 NWC's sixth anniversary party. http://indiecon2.eventbrite.com Join!* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jacob Sayles ja...@officenomads.com wrote: I haven't heard any movement on it but I'd love to see us take another stab at it. Lauren, our newest employee, had some great ideas on what we could do to grease the skids for the AP but she's only worked here one week so she may need some time to settle in. :) Sometimes you just have to let it go. For the NYTimes article on the Coworking Visa recently I went to bat just like you did and got a similar response. Funny though they did not hyphenate Coworking Visa as that is a name of a program but they did hyphenate the word everywhere else in the article. Jacob --- Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation http://www.officenomads.com - (206) 323-6500 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09 PM, oren.salo...@gmail.com oren.salo...@gmail.com wrote: There hasn't been any movement on this in 3 years. Anyone have an update? Liz? Alex? Tony? Jacob? Anybody? I had no idea how bad this issue was. I encountered this today with some press being written on Fort Work in the Dallas media today. When I saw the article posted, I saw a few misquotes about coworking statistics as well as the misspelling of coworking (hyphen included, not the cowering autocorrect). When I requested that both be corrected, the writer told me she could change (or omit) the quotes, but that AP style guides forbid her from changing the spelling of coworking. Here's her actual response (C+P'ed below): Hi Oren, I’ll take a look at the microsite — thank you! I’ll also rework your quote, or take it out entirely to make to correct the statement. On the word co-working, this is an AP style that’s out of our control. Again, I’ll take a look at the details first thing in the morning and will make the changes immediately. Thank for the email. I really appreciate it. Take care, On Thursday, September 1, 2011 4:29:20 AM UTC-5, sop...@deskwanted.com wrote: Hi everyone, For a while now we've been annoyed about the resurgence in the use of the hyphenated version of the word coworking. As you all know, most major media outlets these days write it as co-working. Deskmag recently published an article explaining why this is happening: it's because the AP Stylebook has decided that co-working is the correct form. However, we'd like to ask
Re: [Coworking] Re: Getting rid of the co-working hyphen
Are there other approaches that could be used to standardize and legitimize the spelling? My first thought was registering cowork or coworking as a trademark/servicemark, but ownership issues seem to rule that out as an option. Is there a GPL equivalent that we could explore? --- Glen Ferguson Cowork Frederick 122 E Patrick St Frederick, MD 21701-5630 +1 (301) 732-5165 www.coworkfrederick.com @CoworkFrederick http://twitter.com/CoworkFrederick On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Will Bennis, Locus Workspace wmben...@locusworkspace.com wrote: Hi Oren, I really appreciate your thoughtful reply about this. And it's definitely pushed me in the direction of greater support for the cause. Two particular points that I can agree with: (1) the name is being spelled in two different ways for no very good reason. We might be able to solve that, and get it spelled in the way most people using the word want it to be spelled, so why not do it? (2) The way it's spelled matters to a lot of people in ways that are not specifically about language clarity and are more about identity and community support. And for those people, the preferred spelling tends to be coworking, so why not respect that? I'm in. I can respect that. Best, Will On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:41:49 PM UTC+2, oren.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Will, I know what your name is, I was just trying to make a point. :) I respect and value your points about no horse in the race and that the indifference of the co-working fans would never lead them to debate this to such an extent and that clearly this is something the coworking fans are pushing here. I also see your point about the flexibility of language and I agree no entity can stop language from changing and adapting and being interpreted differently in different contexts. All that being said, I find co-working to be disrespectful. There is a distinct difference between your example of personal computing and computing and co-working and coworking. One refers to a rapidly adapting industry where the nature of what was being described changed over time. While coworking is rapidly expanding and comes across new variants all the time, I don't think anyone is claiming a full transformation is happening like in your computing example. Nobody in journalism misspells kibbutz in writing and nobody just started calling them collective agricultural communities either. Kibbutz means something because it staked out the term and owned it. I see the exact same thing happening with coworking except that spelling it co-working means a distinct unfamiliarity with the subject matter. Maybe I'm making some assumptions here, but this was one of the first things I learned about coworking. I don't know a single major organization, association, product, content hub, group or otherwise large group of coworking people identifying under the co-working banner. We're all squarely organized under the coworking banner. So what if some space operators choose to spell it co-working? Obviously that's their choice as an operator and they're welcome to do so, but to me it's always been a red flag that they're disconnected from the global community. Maybe I'm wrong in assuming so, but in my experience it's been validated pretty consistently. Even if there is little ambiguity in co-working vs. coworking (because there's nothing currently called co-working), it's still very undignified not be regarded as important enough to have a consistent spelling. That's the core issue at hand from my perspective and maybe you disagree, but that's why I think we're talking about entering the dictionary and the style guides. It's for the same reason that a apple is in appropriate but an apple is ok. If I said I'm going to eat a apple, you'd understand me but look at me funny. We're just trying to get the journalists to realize that from our perspective, co-working = a apple. On Friday, September 19, 2014 5:19:38 AM UTC-5, Will Bennis, Locus Workspace wrote: Hi Oren, I appreciate your reply about this! Actually, my name is Will, not William, damnit!!! : But I don't think this is really the same. First, coworking isn't a company name or a given name / proper noun. It's not your name or my name. It's not even the movement's name. If personal computing became just computing, what would you think if Apple or Microsoft or a handful of influential early players in the personal computing industry campaigned against the change and said that we can't change their name, and that it was as though their given names were being mis-spelled? I'd personally think they should leave the English language alone and that it wasn't the role of people in an industry to try to manage what have become common nouns in the English language. I have run a coworking space for more than 4 years now. I care what you call my space or what you call me and I care about coworking, but the idea that
[Coworking] Re: Introduction and New Coworking Space in Fresno, Ca
Drew, If I am not mistake that is where hastagfresno is. http://www.hashtagfresno.com ~ Tabari On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:39:54 PM UTC-7, Drew Kirby wrote: Hello Ian, and the group I wanted to check in to see how Sputnik was going or if something changed and you went in a different direction. I am very interested in starting a space in Clovis, and was wondering if you had any tips or suggestions. Thanks for your time, Drew Kirby drewk...@gmail.com javascript: @drewkirby13 On Friday, July 9, 2010 10:40:03 AM UTC-7, Ian R wrote: Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group formally. I am currently in the middle of construction of a new coworking space in Fresno, California. The name of the space is Sputnik -- and it's located in the heart of an area called the Tower District. It'll be ~ 2,200 sq ft of relatively open space with a shared conference room and kitchen. I'm currently funding this myself (rather than building my own private offices I'd rather work in something like this). Any tips or advice from fellow space owners are greatly welcomed and appreciated! My target opening date is Aug 15th. Pictures and website to come. Cheers, Ian R. Sputnik Coworking 1298 N Wishon Ave Fresno, Ca 93728 (559) 313-5720 -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
