[Coworking] Re: Utility costs with 24/7 access
Thanks for all of the responses. I was under that exact impression--that most people want it, but few will actually use it. We only have one full-time member. She has shown considerable interest, but she is new and the space is new, so we're not too excited about giving her a key right away. I suspect she would just stay an hour or so beyond our official closing hour, 9PM. Our community is in its infancy and our business is not yet sustainable, so 24/7 access would be more of a means to draw people in. But, I think we'll hold off until we form a solid group with members we know well. Our members, so far, are terrific. It's more a concern of carelessness with, say, forgetting to set the alarm, locking the back door, or casually mentioning our accessibility to someone they shouldn't trust rather than the members, themselves, being malicious. The other concern, which was addressed well here, was utility costs. Thanks again! -Cody batha.us On Friday, July 20, 2012 2:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cody Sullivan wrote: Forgive me if this has already been asked. I searched the forum, but couldn't find anything. For those who offer 24/7 access, does it affect your utility bills much? I just imagine having one person stay really late and running the AC for another 6 hours or so. I know most people don't take advantage of 24/7 access even if they want it... nonetheless, I'm curious if it makes a noticeable difference to bills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/mlE7rPRRtLEJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
Re: [Coworking] Utility costs with 24/7 access
We have the whole building, which isn't too big (2,500 sq ft), and it has good ventilation. We have decided to scale-up to 24 hour access if there's a big enough demand. I *do* notice a lot of coworking spaces offer 24/7 access though. So, I'm wondering if this amenity really helps pull in new members. I'm also curious how often members take advantage of it and whether it significantly increases utility bills. Thanks for the feedback so far! On Friday, July 20, 2012 2:14:15 PM UTC-4, Jerome wrote: Yes and if you're in a class A building, they often charge more for running HVAC after hours and weekendssometimes $50-$150/hr!!! Jerome __ BLANKSPACES work FOR yourself, not BY yourself www.blankspaces.com 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) Los Angeles, CA 90036 323.330.9505 (office) On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Veel Hoeden- Where Many Hats Meet! wrote: Jerome- Good point. I guess what I was trying to say is that other than it running to keep a stable temp, I have never had someone crank up the air at 10p because they were hot, regardless of the temp outside. 72-74 degrees feels pretty good in the summer when you are working late at night, just as it does when you are working at 2p. Thanks God Bless, Joel Bennett Chief Dreamchaser Veel Hoeden 641-780-7858 veelhoeden.posterous.com Join Us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/veelhoeden! image001.png http://ink1003.com/p/tp/3ee1a6d9cb9fb511/url *From:* coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:coworking@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerome Chang *Sent:* Friday, July 20, 2012 1:09 PM *To:* coworking@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [Coworking] Utility costs with 24/7 access Please keep in mind that no matter how hot or cold it might be, you need to keep the fans on or the air will be stale [and inhumane]...unless you happen to have windows and/or great natural circulation. Jerome __ BLANKSPACES work FOR yourself, not BY yourself www.blankspaces.com 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) Los Angeles, CA 90036 323.330.9505 (office) On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Veel Hoeden- Where Many Hats Meet! wrote: We run 24/7 and I can't say I notice much. AC doesn't run much at all once the sun goes down regardless if there is someone in the space. If you are too worried about it, install a programmable thermostat to regulate the temp after hours. Thanks God Bless, Joel Bennett Chief Dreamchaser Veel Hoeden 641-780-7858 veelhoeden.posterous.com Join Us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/veelhoeden! image001.png http://ink1003.com/p/tp/3ee1a6d9cb9fb511/url *From:* coworking@googlegroups.com [mailto:coworking@googlegroups.comcoworking@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Cody Sullivan *Sent:* Friday, July 20, 2012 1:04 PM *To:* coworking@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [Coworking] Utility costs with 24/7 access Forgive me if this has already been asked. I searched the forum, but couldn't find anything. For those who offer 24/7 access, does it affect your utility bills much? I just imagine having one person stay really late and running the AC for another 6 hours or so. I know most people don't take advantage of 24/7 access even if they want it... nonetheless, I'm curious if it makes a noticeable difference to bills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/4IbccmuqYBwJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit
[Coworking] Re: New coworking space in Berlin Neukölln
Congrats! Keep us updated. On Friday, July 20, 2012 8:10:20 AM UTC-4, Mike Pierce wrote: Hi all, I thought it was worth posting here to get the word out about our new studio in Berlin. We're kind of new at this, so any tips on increasing our exposure or blog coverage from any of you would be greatly appreciated. You can see more info about our space here: http://studio.someoneandsons.net/ Cheers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/mQ2h8SFYz6oJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
Re: [Coworking] Insurance
Hi Alex, My partner and I saw your recommendation for The Hartford in an older post. Do your reps deal beyond Philly? We found an agency that works with The Hartford in NYC, but unfortunately they just did not get coworking. By the way, a lot of your information has been extremely useful. We've been extremely busy since we just started, but we intend to give proper thanks to everyone on our site when we catch our breath. Cheers, Cody batha.us On Monday, July 16, 2012 11:43:47 PM UTC-4, Alex Hillman wrote: In addition to everything that Tom said (which is spot on with our arrangement), I strongly recommend speaking with an insurance agent that understands coworking, lest your policy costs go sky high. I've referred our agent for The Hartford to people all over the US and they've been able to help or make recommendations. Preston-Patterson Co., Inc. P.O. Box 244 Conshohocken, PA 19428 Phone: (610) 834-0090 You can ask for Stuart or Diane and let them know that Alex from Independents Hall recommended you. We don't get any kickbacks on this, I just love recommending great people that get it. -Alex -- /ah indyhall.org coworking in philadelphia On Monday, July 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Tom Brandt wrote: Your landlord will likely require that you provide liability insurance insuring them against anything that might happen to someone while in the space. This is a pretty standard lease requirement. You will want similar coverage in case someone injures themselves or, God forbid, dies for some reason. We are insured up to $1,000,000 per occurrence, with a $2,000,000 cap. Beyond that, you will want to investigate insuring your assets against theft and damage. This is pretty much adding up the value of the assets and insuring for that amount. We insure Workantile property, but not members' property. Your example of a electrical surge damaging someone's computer is, I think, their problem. Electrical surges are a power company issue, not one of yours and I don't think you can be held responsible for it. You might consider insuring against the revenue loss that would occur if the space is unusable due to fire or some other catastrophe. Typically, you would insure up to some number of months of revenue loss. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Harben rigsby...@gmail.comwrote: We are just setting up for 40 seats and are thinking about insurance, one of those subjects that can be a chore but is very necessary. The coworkers will be aware of, and sign their acknowledgment to the fact, that they remain responsible for their own property at all times - easy enough. We are intending to have small lockers to rent, if they are staying or a week or month and don't want to carry their stuff to lunch or home every evening - they are still solely responsible. But the site will have machines for printing, servers for data and the like, so we need to cover these items for loss or damage. And we intend to provide 24/7 access to VIP members but there won't be sitestaff here all the time (there'll be an magswipe access door system, camera's etc.). And what if their are charging their notebook and there is a major spike in the power supply. So have you got any tips from your own experiences? 'Speak' soon Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/fsb0XQhkYyUJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- twb member, Workantile http://workantile.com/ @twbrandt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/BNDnSytcYqUJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
[Coworking] Utility costs with 24/7 access
Forgive me if this has already been asked. I searched the forum, but couldn't find anything. For those who offer 24/7 access, does it affect your utility bills much? I just imagine having one person stay really late and running the AC for another 6 hours or so. I know most people don't take advantage of 24/7 access even if they want it... nonetheless, I'm curious if it makes a noticeable difference to bills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/4IbccmuqYBwJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
Re: [Coworking] Bat Haus in Brooklyn - Officially Open!
Let's definitely grab a drink soon. I'll shoot you a message once things settle here a bit. On Monday, July 9, 2012 5:03:39 PM UTC-4, Tony Bacigalupo wrote: *Bat Haus believes that community, productivity, and creativity are fostered in a true workspace where members share resources, share space, and share respect. We welcome people from every discipline to try us out. * Awesome. Congrats and welcome to the party! Let's get a drink sometime! Cheers, Tony On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Cody Sullivan codycsulli...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, Bat Haus in Bushwick, Brooklyn has just opened! It's a really beautiful 2,500 sq. ft. space that fits our needs perfectly. It has a conference room and kitchen on a mezzanine floor and a backyard for BBQs. We jumped prematurely on the space because it fit our needs so well, and of course as a consequence, we didn't quite allow ourselves enough time to find/develop a whole community that could benefit from such a space. We're confident nonetheless that we'll fill the space in time through collaboration, friendship, and patience. Natalie I would like to thank everyone in the coworking forum for your sage wisdom and recorded trials and errors. We plan to record our own here once we catch our breath. Until then -- Cheers, Cody Natalie www.batha.us -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/6MkRlM-ZfrQJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/y70RL8WESocJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
[Coworking] Bat Haus in Brooklyn - Officially Open!
Hi Everyone, Bat Haus in Bushwick, Brooklyn has just opened! It's a really beautiful 2,500 sq. ft. space that fits our needs perfectly. It has a conference room and kitchen on a mezzanine floor and a backyard for BBQs. We jumped prematurely on the space because it fit our needs so well, and of course as a consequence, we didn't quite allow ourselves enough time to find/develop a whole community that could benefit from such a space. We're confident nonetheless that we'll fill the space in time through collaboration, friendship, and patience. Natalie I would like to thank everyone in the coworking forum for your sage wisdom and recorded trials and errors. We plan to record our own here once we catch our breath. Until then -- Cheers, Cody Natalie www.batha.us -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/6MkRlM-ZfrQJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
Re: [Coworking] Posting Question
Thanks for it clearing it up, Rachel. -Cody On Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:12:41 PM UTC-4, ruyoung wrote: Hi Cody (and anyone else wondering about a bit of a lag), Your first one or two messages may have been held in moderation, which we do to reduce the amount of spam that gets sent to the group. There is a small handful of us that moderate the messages, and try as we might, we can't get to the messages as quickly as we would like to. I do see that your group states is Member, which doesn't go to the moderation queue anymore, which means one of us at some point recently clicked on Always Allow next to a message of yours, so your messages should be fine now, but if you have any other problems, let us know. r. * rachel young *rac...@camaraderie.ca *Find us in person:* Camaraderie 102 Adelaide St E 2nd Floor Toronto, ON M5C 1K9 (647) 861-4350 *Find us online:* Website/blog http://camaraderie.ca and Newsletterhttp://bit.ly/camaraderienewsletter Google+ http://bit.ly/CamaraderiePlus, Twitterhttp://twitter.com/camaraderie , Facebook http://bit.ly/9zv3Fx, and LinkedInhttp://bit.ly/CamaraderieGroup *Are you a coworking commitmentphobe? * *Try the Coworking Toronto Passport Programhttp://bit.ly/CTOPassport2012 * *for a day pass to seven spaces for one price.* * * On 29 March 2012 12:05, Cody C Sullivan codycsulli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm new to the group and am having difficulties with posting. I notice a serious lag in my responses. Some do not show up and there is no message confirmation or indicator that it needs approval first. I'm thinking maybe I was supposed to email here first before I post? I use Chrome on a fairly new Macbook, so I don't think it's a browser problem. The member guidelines link doesn't work... so I just want to make sure I haven't missed a step for posting. Thanks, Cody Sullivan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/WdCSdQhFf54J. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
Re: [Coworking] Lease question!
For some reason, my responses refuse to show up in this group. It's very frustrating. So, I'll keep it brief and just thank everyone for their input. If my responses start showing up, I'll post some updates or get my partner Natalie to post them. Thanks again! On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:47:35 PM UTC-4, David Singer wrote: Natalie Cody, Are you the only tenant in the building? You're paying $18.24 per square foot in base rent. I don't know how much of the building you're renting -- but my question is whether that's market rate for rent without a base year calculation -- in other words -- lots of commercial leases factor in the first year's real estate taxes into the base rent -- with the tenant paying its pro rata share of increases over the base year. That not being the case here-- you want to be sure that your $500 per month in real estate taxes is reflective of your proportionate share of the building. If you're the only tenant -- you will be paying the full freight for taxes and insurance (that will include both property and liability insurance). If you're not the only tenant -- you will likely be paying your pro rata share of the building property insurance. In any event I would try to see if you can keep your rental rate and pay taxes over a base year. Also -- if you're making improvements to the building -- that the landlord is not contributing to (note that in many commercial leases you get free rent and a tenant allowance for work) -- you may want to negotiate for a longer free rent period. And why are you paying the brokerage commission? That should be the landlord's obligation. Happy to try to answer other questions. Regards, David On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Natalie biwenata...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Okay, my first post disappeared. I'm not sure why. Apologies in advance if it resurrects itself. I've been reading this forum for a few weeks. It's incredibly informative. Nonetheless, I find myself in a situation, and I can't find an exact answer. My partner and I are about to commit to a commercial space in Brooklyn. Here's the offer: 2,500 sq ft $3,800 with 2% increase (good for the area) 2 month abated rent But, we have to pay broker fee ($3,800), so it's like we're getting one month abated rent. 5-year lease (This seems good because the owner can't quickly jack up the price until it's time for renewal.) Here's the catch. The owner wants us to pay the property taxes, which are $500 a month. Is this very unusual? We may be able to lower the rent to compensate. The realtor also said that this rent will not go up if the interior design makes property value go up. (I'm also curious about occupancy tax. I read about it in this forum and wonder if we will need to pay it.) Lastly, he wants us to pay property insurance, but I think this just means general liability, which we have to do any way. Do you guys use lawyers when signing the lease? If so, any recommendation from New York area? Any suggestions/comments welcome! Thanks, Natalie and Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- David A. Singer Singer Group Properties, LLC c/o Elias Group, LLP 411 Theodore Fremd Ave., Ste. 102 Rye, NY 10580 (914) 925- - Office (914) 980-7301 - Cell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/xZUW6ToSJp0J. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
Re: [Coworking] Lease question!
Thanks for all of the help so far. I have a feeling we can make him pay the broker fee if we are subject to an NNN lease. I'm wondering if such a lease is bad, since it is a small property that doesn't share its space with anyone. Doesn't it make it more transparent? I suppose it makes taxes more difficult. I just spoke with a lawyer who made the whole process of signing a commercial lease more terrifying. For example, certificate of occupancy is very important since it is a garage-type space (the owner is a plumber)... and we may have to get an architect to approve the space for our purposes if the certificate does not qualify for our business code... which I don't even know. It's a bit absurd how much NYC requires to open a space. -Cody On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 3:34:25 PM UTC-4, JJ wrote: Yes it's normal as a NNN lease. As a buyer you shouldn't be paying the $3800 for your brokerage fees either, especially when this broker should be answering these questions for you as your representation as opposed to a coworking wiki. Also, you don't need a 5 year lease to make sure your rate doesn't get raised, you can set an option after the first lease is up with a specific rental rate per sq ft within it to safeguard you from future market appreciation. That and a 5 year lease on a brand new business would make me a bit nervous. Just my first thoughts as a coworking space owner and real estate broker. Josh Aberson Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Natalie biwenata...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Okay, my first post disappeared. I'm not sure why. Apologies in advance if it resurrects itself. I've been reading this forum for a few weeks. It's incredibly informative. Nonetheless, I find myself in a situation, and I can't find an exact answer. My partner and I are about to commit to a commercial space in Brooklyn. Here's the offer: 2,500 sq ft $3,800 with 2% increase (good for the area) 2 month abated rent But, we have to pay broker fee ($3,800), so it's like we're getting one month abated rent. 5-year lease (This seems good because the owner can't quickly jack up the price until it's time for renewal.) Here's the catch. The owner wants us to pay the property taxes, which are $500 a month. Is this very unusual? We may be able to lower the rent to compensate. The realtor also said that this rent will not go up if the interior design makes property value go up. (I'm also curious about occupancy tax. I read about it in this forum and wonder if we will need to pay it.) Lastly, he wants us to pay property insurance, but I think this just means general liability, which we have to do any way. Do you guys use lawyers when signing the lease? If so, any recommendation from New York area? Any suggestions/comments welcome! Thanks, Natalie and Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/coworking/-/3yjR6jClS5YJ. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to coworking+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en.
