[Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1

[dkords]

I'd be interested in helping review/edit/publish.  Do we have any leads on 
legal resources available?   Does a creative commons license or gnu fdl license 
make sense for everyone?  
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From: marc1919 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:03:50 
To: Coworking
Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1



I'd be very interested in helping to create an open source universal
coworking agreement.

Marc Nathan
www.houstontech.org | www.katydock.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sep 26, 10:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found
> somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the
> TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's
> got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if
> anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together
> to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs
> to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> -Alex
>
> --
> -
> --
> -
> Alex Hillman
> im always developing something
> digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> visual:www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> local:www.indyhall.org
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get rid
> > of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against
> > defamation?
>
> > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that
> > membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space
> > will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and void.
>
> > Anything else?
>
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to any
> >> > third party regarding NEW
>
> >> Yeah, we based our contract on IH too (thanks Alex!) but took out
> >> "disparaging" after the first round of signings, "defamation" is one
> >> thing but with "disparaging" in there it looks like we don't want to
> >> be critiqued either.
>
> >> Btw, if anyone opens up a space in Canada, our version has a couple of
> >> local tweaks so feel free to ask for the file.
>
> >> Patrick
> >> station-c.com


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[Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1

[dkords]

Great, would love to check out what you created for cubes and crayons.  Is your 
facility here in the bay area?  
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From: felicity at cubes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:24:11 
To: Coworking
Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1



A little late to the discussion but I am happy to share the coworking
component of our contract and I do have
connections to legal resources should we need.  Cubes & Crayons
agreement was created by a lawyer and
protects us from liability and protects our clients.  We don't have a
defamation clause.

All the best,
Felicity

Space: www.cubesandcrayons.com
Blog: cubes.typepad.com/blog
Personal blog: cubes.typepad.com/cake

On Sep 26, 9:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'd be interested in helping review/edit/publish.  Do we have any leads on 
> legal resources available?   Does a creative commons license or gnu fdl 
> license make sense for everyone?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: marc1919 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:03:50
> To: Coworking
> Subject: [Coworking] Re: New Work City membership agreement - version 1
>
> I'd be very interested in helping to create an open source universal
> coworking agreement.
>
> Marc Nathanwww.houstontech.org|www.katydock.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Sep 26, 10:01 am, "Alex Hillman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > To the many of you who've worked from our agreement:
> > Ours was taken from a very generic "shared space" agreement that I found
> > somewhere on the web. We needed something FAST, so we slightly modded the
> > TOS that I'd found and worked from there.
>
> > It's been my desire for over a year now to tone down that agreement, it's
> > got a lot of garbage and legalese in it.
>
> > If anyone is interested in working with Geoff and myself, as well as if
> > anyone has any legal resources that could chip in, I'd love to work together
> > to create an open source coworking agreement that covers what really needs
> > to be covered, and cuts out all of the other crap.
>
> > -Alex
>
> > --
> > -
> > --
> > -
> > Alex Hillman
> > im always developing something
> > digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > visual:www.dangerouslyawesome.com
> > local:www.indyhall.org
>
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Tony Bacigalupo
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > Agreed all around. So should we simply removed the "disparaging" or get 
> > > rid
> > > of the clause altogether? Is it important to have protection against
> > > defamation?
>
> > > Also, since the space isn't open yet, we'll be adding stipulations that
> > > membership won't start until after the space is open, and that the space
> > > will open within a certain range of dates or the agreement is null and 
> > > void.
>
> > > Anything else?
>
> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >> > statements or comments of a defamatory or disparaging nature to any
> > >> > third party regarding NEW
>
> > >> Yeah, we based our contract on IH too (thanks Alex!) but took out
> > >> "disparaging" after the first round of signings, "defamation" is one
> > >> thing but with "disparaging" in there it looks like we don't want to
> > >> be critiqued either.
>
> > >> Btw, if anyone opens up a space in Canada, our version has a couple of
> > >> local tweaks so feel free to ask for the file.
>
> > >> Patrick
> > >> station-c.com


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[Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space

[dkords]

Don't waste your time with the SFPD (or any pd).  They love messing with the 
homeless but this is a temporary fix and is just part of the endless cycle.  
Your only hope is cutting off the enabling factors, and only resort to the sfpd 
if someone becomes a danger.  As someone mentioned, there are agencies that can 
help, and sometimes if you know the right people in city hall, you can get some 
special assistance.

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From: JDean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:05:41 
To: Coworking
Subject: [Coworking] Re: Drama at Citizen Space



Here are my two suggestions:

1.  Build a strong relationship with the SFPD, and let them know that
their officers are free to complete paperwork at your site.
2.  Call the police.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and if you
don't want a sleeper in your workplace, you will need to document and
report.  Police can and will arrest individuals for becoming a public
nuisance and/or discivil conduct.

Take it from someone who has had a student arrested for talking too
much!


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[Coworking] Re: Springwise featuring...deskgenie, RIP Regis Cupertino

[dkords]

Agreed, their situation was probably worse than we imagine.  My numbers were 
lowball for sure, as this was Regus, global powerhouse, and I assume they have 
massive economies of scale on sourcing equipment and fixtures.  I believe they 
also would have their own preferrered vendors to do their improvements, so the 
typical silly-con valley cost/per sqft estimates to build would be lower.  
Finally, not being actual office space, this was average rate retail, so there 
was a big effort to gut the space and make it into an airport lounge look.  

So no matter how you work up the numbers, this was a huge money pit, up front, 
month to month.  This should be studied by anyone starting up a co-working 
space to avoid the same kind of burn.

David
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From: Jerome Chang 

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:44:05 
To: 
Subject: [Coworking] Re: Springwise featuring...deskgenie, RIP Regis Cupertino


Just an FYI on your estimated costs:

Office space is typically $40-$50/sf, which if they had about 4000sf  
from my estimation, that's $150-$200k in construction.  However, this  
wasn't a "normal" construction, so probably north of $300k.  Even if a  
smaller space - 3000sf - then $150k+.

2 FT staff will be at least $6-8k/mo, after taxes, or even benefits  
(if salaried), etc..

Utilities, supplies, etc.
My guess is $15-20k/mo minimum burn, and $200k+ of initial TI  
construction (of which they might've received $20-30/sf from the  
Landlord).


Jerome
__
BLANKSPACES
"work wide open"

www.blankspaces.com
5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea)
Los Angeles, CA 90036
323.330.9505 (office)

On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:43 PM, David J. Kordsmeier wrote:

>
> Folks,
>
> thought some would like to read about a new idea on springwise around
> a marketplace for desk space:
> http://www.springwise.com/marketing_advertising/deskspacegenie/
> Pulled from the latest newsletter, with tons of great ideas:
> http://springwise.com/weekly/2009-04-01.htm
>
> Also, noticed the Regus Cupertino (Co-working meets office suites),
> which looked to be a something akin to an airport lounge, has
> officially been closed.  I believe they closed at the beginning of the
> year, after only being open about a year.  It is a shame.  I think
> they had a nice clean facility, the best conference rooms I have seen,
> and friendly staff.  The downside to their approach: wrong location
> (was an old plumbing store, in SV suburbia), unfamiliar concept (Regus
> is famous around the world for hosting office suites, but co-work is a
> bit of a niche idea for many), not rooted with any community, and no
> marketing.  They might have had a chance in downtown SJ or SF, but in
> the new economy I guess they decided to pull out and sublease the
> space (my estimates they put up 100K + to rennovate, another 50K on
> furniture and computers, and probably ran another 5-8K in rent, plus 2
> FT staff so were easily burning 10K+ per month.
>
> -
> David
>
> >





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[Coworking] Re: The Hub - Berkeley

[dkords]

Rainesn

Awesome post.  Thanks for sharing your insights.

David
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From: Raines Cohen 

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:04:32 
To: 
Subject: [Coworking] Re: The Hub - Berkeley


Yes, September 1 opening is what we're hearing as of last week.
I'm joining HUB Bay Area  as a Founding member;
my wife and business partner Betsy Morris is planning to become a Charter
member, and work there some of the time, as part of The Brower
Centerin downtown Berkeley.
I was originally personally skeptical about the viability and *
coworkingishness* of "metered" hourly access vs.
anchors-as-desk-renters-by-the-month "traditional" (pioneer) coworking
community cooperative models, but my perspective changed as I:

   - got to know the people involved, their vision, and previous
   projects/experience
   - got hands-on experience with the challenges of space and
   people/business relations management in our little "proto-coworking"
   community in downtown Berkeley for the last year. While it's nice not to
   have to pay hourly rent for our existing classroom space, we believe that if
   we're relying on hosting non-core-business outside events that gross less
   than $100 for a night's work to offset our rent, we're doing it wrong. And
   we didn't get a voice in selecting the tenants who joined after us, and had
   incompatible growth and use patterns.
   - saw the engaged communities growing around *Outside The Cube* (*aka
   Cubes and Crayons*), *New Work City* and *Sandbox Suites*, centrally
   managed/hourly metered access spaces
   - got more details on the benefits of membership and pricing/spaces for
   events; rather than paying equal shares of all the space and initial capital
   investment, paying for just what we use reduces our upfront and ongoing
   costs. Because the building incorporates multiple levels of sharing, it can
   get maximal value for spaces and resources.
   - clarified our own business vision and plans, mapping out partnerships,
   sorting out priorities - where can we add the greatest value? Where do we
   want to be spending our time? Where do we get leverage through cooperation?
   - realized the true power of coworking: instead of putting all our eggs
   in one basket (*leasing a single space*), we could be a member here (*which
   includes use of the SF space once it opens, and many across Europe, where
   **The HUB network* * started*), and focus on
   building our community connections and business relationships so we can
   partner on events elsewhere as necessary.

Plus, it's a 5-minute nearly-flat bike ride from my house, a block from the
subway, across the street from the University of California campus, and
surrounded by an incredible variety of dining options, including one friends
are co-creating right in the building  that I
may invest in. In a building with showers and bike parking (*including
secure attended "valet" bike parking a block away*). And many event spaces,
from conference rooms to a theater. And in a new ultra-green building, full
of potential partners and clients  in
related businesses, and another coworking-style space, the Sustainable
Enterprise Cluster, a *green business incubator* run by Dominican University
of California's (*formerly Dominican College, not related to the University
of California*) Green MBA  program, which includes
a branch of another longtime coworking-esque venture, the NextNow
Collaboratory .

Our current office has a bunch of private storage space, which we'll miss (*it
was a big relief getting our work materials out of the house - fortunately,
some alternatives have emerged*), and big bookshelves built in. But we
really don't need that in the same place that we work together with folks in
and hold meetings.

Raines Cohen, Coworking Coach 
*Planning for Sustainable Communities* (*Berkeley, California*)

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:41 AM, David J. Kordsmeier wrote:

> http://www.bayarea.the-hub.net/public/
>
> Anyone have any scoop on when it will be operational?
>




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