[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
Once corporate co-opting occurs there is not much that can be done. Before it hits the best strategy is to make, in writing, the goals and values as clear as possible. And then recognize that even diluted our ideas are making a difference. After thinking about the topic overnight I realized that I had missed a much larger potential for diluting the core values--the new members joining up because coworking is recognized, successful, and publicized. I have been immersed in the disability rights movement since the early seventies when the first cross-disability coalitions began. Then, it was a relatively small group of people in a handful of cities, Berkeley, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, who were figuring out disability discrimination and strategies to combat it. There were very few conservatives involved. Most of us had cut our teeth working in the anti-war movement. Those first groups were very clear about the nature of disability discrimination and the changes that were needed to be made. As the 70s and 80s progressed we got publicity and recognition. Laws were passed, we started appearing in TV commercials. Eventually, the New York Times did a few stories. As this happened people with disabilities from all perspectives and political viewpoints flooded the movement. More and more the core values and dreams became marginalized at the same time we passed the Americans with Disabilities Act. As coworking takes off, we get more publicity, and new spaces start we'll see the later adopters, who don't have our zeal and passion for creating community, entering the scene. They will see the value in what we're doing, but not the underlying concepts and values. That'll be OK. The world will be a better place because of the pioneers and early adopters. Anthony On Apr 1, 8:35 am, Tony Bacigalupo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony, A sobering thought, for sure. In your experience, what can be done to insure against this sort of mangling? Best, Tony CoworkingNY On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:32 AM, ATusler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great coverage. I'm impressed the reporter did such a good job. (Although the video didn't come through running Firefox on a Mac it did work in Safari.) I must admit I worry about being co-opted by corporate entities. I've been a part of, and helped organize a number of different social and political movements over the past 40 years. I'm continually surprised at how quickly and effectively money-making entities, helped by national media, are able to dilute and capitalize on our vision and work. The silver lining is that the world changes a little bit for the better when it happens. Let's see how Time or Newsweek portray coworking. That used to be the bellwether for co-option. Now it's probably ABC/CBS/NBC nightly news. It's fun and worthwhile no matter how it goes. I'm impressed that much of the vision gets understood in these news stories. It's a good sign for the future. Anthony On Mar 31, 12:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-n... spikewww.launchpadcoworking.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
James McCarthy http://thewerks.org.uk On 31 Mar 2008, at 21:15, David Doolin wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Tony Bacigalupo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just going to post something... the direct link to the CNN video is here: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/03/31/ labarre.coworking.cnn?iref=videosearch Chris: I vote for we've arrived. When a tabloid writes up how Paris Hilton is coworking at a Starbucks, then we're screwed. Naw, man, Paris rocks! Seriously, the way coworking spaces are structured, they can't be operationally hijacked. I don't think the meme can be externally hijacked either, as long as coworking remains sufficiently inclusive to stay economically self-sufficient. I had started seeing some hi-jacking of wiki pages by traditional office space vendors dumping adds on them. A couple of the UK pages got this kind of low level spam for a bit. Barring celebrity or giant conglomerate hijacking, I'd say it's all good :-) Has anyone seen any uptick in response? They sort of fudged the linking at the end; sounds like Polly wanted to point out some more links but ran out of time. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that's pretty awesome. Except the bonehead male commentator. Heh. Still, does this mean we've arrived or jumped the shark? ;) Chris On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co- anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-news/ spike www.launchpadcoworking.com -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -- http://tinobox.org/wordpress/ linkedin, facebook, twitter, etc. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
I just finally got to watch it! (in client meetings, etc. all yesterday) She does SUCH an awesome job of describing it! Good job Tony and crew for explaining coworking so well to her! Tara On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Doolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:32 AM, ATusler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] I must admit I worry about being co-opted by corporate entities. I've It's a high quality problem. been a part of, and helped organize a number of different social and political movements over the past 40 years. I'm continually surprised at how quickly and effectively money-making entities, helped by national media, are able to dilute and capitalize on our vision and work. The silver lining is that the world changes a little bit for the better when it happens. Yes, it does. It's too easy to sneer at this process, but it's very difficult to mobilize people without making sure they can pay the rent. And that requires lots of really boring stuff like handling taxes, licenses, insurance and all the other accoutrements of success. Let's see how Time or Newsweek portray coworking. That used to be the bellwether for co-option. Now it's probably ABC/CBS/NBC nightly news. I've been waiting 30 years for this: http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101080324,00.html It's fun and worthwhile no matter how it goes. I'm impressed that much of the vision gets understood in these news stories. It's a good sign for the future. It *is* a good sign for the future. Once coworking has been diluted and capitalized coworking pioneers will undoubtedly be moving on to something equally relevant, with as much potential to influence culture to the better. I certainly have no doubt about this. Anthony On Mar 31, 12:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-n... spikewww.launchpadcoworking.com -- http://tinobox.org/wordpress/ linkedin, facebook, twitter, etc. -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt coFounder Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
Agreed. She caught so much perspective and used so many of our terms and explanations. It was excellent! -Alex On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Tara Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just finally got to watch it! (in client meetings, etc. all yesterday) She does SUCH an awesome job of describing it! Good job Tony and crew for explaining coworking so well to her! Tara On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Doolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:32 AM, ATusler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [] I must admit I worry about being co-opted by corporate entities. I've It's a high quality problem. been a part of, and helped organize a number of different social and political movements over the past 40 years. I'm continually surprised at how quickly and effectively money-making entities, helped by national media, are able to dilute and capitalize on our vision and work. The silver lining is that the world changes a little bit for the better when it happens. Yes, it does. It's too easy to sneer at this process, but it's very difficult to mobilize people without making sure they can pay the rent. And that requires lots of really boring stuff like handling taxes, licenses, insurance and all the other accoutrements of success. Let's see how Time or Newsweek portray coworking. That used to be the bellwether for co-option. Now it's probably ABC/CBS/NBC nightly news. I've been waiting 30 years for this: http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101080324,00.html It's fun and worthwhile no matter how it goes. I'm impressed that much of the vision gets understood in these news stories. It's a good sign for the future. It *is* a good sign for the future. Once coworking has been diluted and capitalized coworking pioneers will undoubtedly be moving on to something equally relevant, with as much potential to influence culture to the better. I certainly have no doubt about this. Anthony On Mar 31, 12:58 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-n... spikewww.launchpadcoworking.com -- http://tinobox.org/wordpress/ linkedin, facebook, twitter, etc. -- tara 'miss rogue' hunt coFounder Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) blog: www.horsepigcow.com phone: 415-694-1951 fax: 415-727-5335 -- -- - -- - Alex Hillman round(3)media new! ask me about it digital: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visual: www.round3media.com | www.dangerouslyawesome.com local: www.indyhall.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
Wow, that's pretty awesome. Except the bonehead male commentator. Heh. Still, does this mean we've arrived or jumped the shark? ;) Chris On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-news/ spike www.launchpadcoworking.com -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Coworking] Re: bongs and frat boys
Nice to see a wiki URL on CNN though! http://flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/2378331548/ ;) On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Tony Bacigalupo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just going to post something... the direct link to the CNN video is here: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2008/03/31/labarre.coworking.cnn?iref=videosearch Chris: I vote for we've arrived. When a tabloid writes up how Paris Hilton is coworking at a Starbucks, then we're screwed. Barring celebrity or giant conglomerate hijacking, I'd say it's all good :-) Has anyone seen any uptick in response? They sort of fudged the linking at the end; sounds like Polly wanted to point out some more links but ran out of time. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that's pretty awesome. Except the bonehead male commentator. Heh. Still, does this mean we've arrived or jumped the shark? ;) Chris On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those of you who missed it, CNN did a piece on coworking today. the female anchor did a great job describing coworking. her co-anchor likened coworking to frat boys with a big bong listening to led zeppelin. julie blogged about it here-- there's a link to the video: http://blog.launchpadcoworking.com/2008/03/31/coworking-as-breaking-news/ spike www.launchpadcoworking.com -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -- Chris Messina Citizen-Participant Open Source Advocate-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412.225.1051 IM: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To post to this group, send email to coworking@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
