[Coworking] Wired vs Wireless?? Does anyone use wired anymore?

2015-01-07 Thread CoWork Factory - New Braunfels, TX 
Does anyone use wired anymore?  I'm opening a new space and installing the 
IT infrastructure now, but am thinking I may be overdoing the CAT5e ports. 
Planning on about 30-35 ports for a 3,200 sq ft building.  I'll have a 
couple of business class APs and am thinking I should have wired ports as 
an option for IP phones and other heavy users of data.

Thoughts? 

Thanks!

Bob
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Re: [Coworking] Wired vs Wireless?? Does anyone use wired anymore?

2015-01-07 Thread Alex Hillman 
We have a mix of ethernet and wireless, though it’s a fairly small % (probably 
10 or 15 out of 100+ active people each day) who actually use the hard lines.  




The cases where a hard line makes the most sense are:




- people who do work that requires low-latency, like a lot of screensharing or 
remote access to computers

- places where people are meeting with others virtually. Conference rooms hard 
lines get used often, and our phone booths have hard lines run to them to keep 
Skype calls strong.

- Some computers just have shitty wifi hardware/software in them. 
Statistically, if we have an issue with someone connecting to our wifi, it’s a 
PC. Or in some rare cases, old computers that have NO wifi hardware. Yeah, blew 
me away too. 

- As we got bigger, we started having more complex issues with wifi and some of 
our full time members started strategically moving to be closer to hard lines. 
Since upgrading to the Unifi access points in the thread I posted to yesterday, 
those problems appear to be all gone (knock on wood) but I was glad to have 
some hardline options.

- And as you said, specialized hardware. VOIP, Networked Backup devices, etc. 
We generally suggest that people keep that hardware in our rack, rather than 
plugging into a “local" drop. Keeps things tidier and easier to diagnose 
issues. 




One thing that’s always difficult is that, like our power, our ethernet ports 
are along walls. This can be a bit of a restriction when it comes to creating 
optimal layouts for the workspace itself (something I think I need to write 
about soon). I haven’t been to many coworking spaces that have really done a 
great job of solving the “spaghetti of power and cables between the wall and 
the desks” problem. There’s covers and other clever ways of hiding it, but I 
haven’t found a solution that works really well for us yet.  




If I were to do it all again, I’d be far more strategic about WHERE we run 
ethernet to, and overall, run less direct runs back to the rack. Instead, I’d 
take more of a node-based approach, adding new switches to areas where 
connectivity is needed and makes sense…but can also be moved. That 
flexibility/modularity pays off far more than having X more drops!




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On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:24 AM, CoWork Factory - New Braunfels, TX
 wrote:

> Does anyone use wired anymore?  I'm opening a new space and installing the 
> IT infrastructure now, but am thinking I may be overdoing the CAT5e ports. 
> Planning on about 30-35 ports for a 3,200 sq ft building.  I'll have a 
> couple of business class APs and am thinking I should have wired ports as 
> an option for IP phones and other heavy users of data.
> Thoughts? 
> Thanks!
> Bob
> www.coworkfactorynb.com
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Re: [Coworking] Wired vs Wireless?? Does anyone use wired anymore?

2015-01-07 Thread Jerome Chang 
We install floor jacks in certain areas where we know desks will be an island 
(not next to a wall).
Floor cable covers are another option that’s much cheaper, but has the drawback 
of not aesthetic, and possible trip hazards.

I do want to address a couple of items so everyone’s on the same page:
In typical construction budgets, whether from the GC &/or the landlord, 
cabling is typically NOT included. This can seem counterintuitive b/c they are 
often more or less permanently inside the walls
In my opinion, it’s best to cable to your ideal desk layout, whether 
that’s for maximum efficiency &/or for “nodes”, as Alex mentioned below. 
Clustering desks/cubicles especially with built-in cable trays would help 
achieve these “nodes” areas. One node would be: jack - router - cluster of 
desks.

In other words, I recommend ALWAYS cabling, and cabling to 100% everywhere, as 
you’ll likely be able or want to cable after the fact.

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On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:45 AM, Alex Hillman  wrote:

> We have a mix of ethernet and wireless, though it’s a fairly small % 
> (probably 10 or 15 out of 100+ active people each day) who actually use the 
> hard lines.  
> 
> The cases where a hard line makes the most sense are:
> 
> - people who do work that requires low-latency, like a lot of screensharing 
> or remote access to computers
> - places where people are meeting with others virtually. Conference rooms 
> hard lines get used often, and our phone booths have hard lines run to them 
> to keep Skype calls strong.
> - Some computers just have shitty wifi hardware/software in them. 
> Statistically, if we have an issue with someone connecting to our wifi, it’s 
> a PC. Or in some rare cases, old computers that have NO wifi hardware. Yeah, 
> blew me away too. 
> - As we got bigger, we started having more complex issues with wifi and some 
> of our full time members started strategically moving to be closer to hard 
> lines. Since upgrading to the Unifi access points in the thread I posted to 
> yesterday, those problems appear to be all gone (knock on wood) but I was 
> glad to have some hardline options.
> - And as you said, specialized hardware. VOIP, Networked Backup devices, etc. 
> We generally suggest that people keep that hardware in our rack, rather than 
> plugging into a “local" drop. Keeps things tidier and easier to diagnose 
> issues. 
> 
> One thing that’s always difficult is that, like our power, our ethernet ports 
> are along walls. This can be a bit of a restriction when it comes to creating 
> optimal layouts for the workspace itself (something I think I need to write 
> about soon). I haven’t been to many coworking spaces that have really done a 
> great job of solving the “spaghetti of power and cables between the wall and 
> the desks” problem. There’s covers and other clever ways of hiding it, but I 
> haven’t found a solution that works really well for us yet.  
> 
> If I were to do it all again, I’d be far more strategic about WHERE we run 
> ethernet to, and overall, run less direct runs back to the rack. Instead, I’d 
> take more of a node-based approach, adding new switches to areas where 
> connectivity is needed and makes sense…but can also be moved. That 
> flexibility/modularity pays off far more than having X more drops!
> 
> -Alex
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:24 AM, CoWork Factory - New Braunfels, TX 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone use wired anymore?  I'm opening a new space and installing the IT 
> infrastructure now, but am thinking I may be overdoing the CAT5e ports. 
> Planning on about 30-35 ports for a 3,200 sq ft building.  I'll have a couple 
> of business class APs and am thinking I should have wired ports as an option 
> for IP phones and other heavy users of data.
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bob
> www.coworkfactorynb.com
> 
> 
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Re: [Coworking] Wired vs Wireless?? Does anyone use wired anymore?

2015-01-07 Thread Aaron Cruikshank 
Wired is still important. I always use the hardline if it's available
because the speeds are better. Wifi is always slow in comparison.

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On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:13 PM, CoWork Factory - New Braunfels, TX <
coworkfactor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone use wired anymore?  I'm opening a new space and installing the
> IT infrastructure now, but am thinking I may be overdoing the CAT5e ports.
> Planning on about 30-35 ports for a 3,200 sq ft building.  I'll have a
> couple of business class APs and am thinking I should have wired ports as
> an option for IP phones and other heavy users of data.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bob
> www.coworkfactorynb.com
>
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Re: [Coworking] Wired vs Wireless?? Does anyone use wired anymore?

2015-01-07 Thread Jacob Sayles 
You will also get a lot more milage from your wifi setup with a number of
users plugged in.  It's nice to always have the option.  Every desk has the
option for a hard wire or wireless.  We just have one wire going to a
number of pods and a switch under the tables.  So you don't have to go
super crazy with the wiring.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Aaron Cruikshank 
wrote:

> Wired is still important. I always use the hardline if it's available
> because the speeds are better. Wifi is always slow in comparison.
>
> Aaron Cruikshank
> Principal, CRUIKSHANK
> phone: 778.908.4560
> e-mail: aa...@cruikshank.me
> web: cruikshank.me 
> twitter: @cruikshank 
> book a meeting: doodle.com/cruikshank 
> linkedin: in/cruikshank 
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:13 PM, CoWork Factory - New Braunfels, TX <
> coworkfactor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone use wired anymore?  I'm opening a new space and installing
>> the IT infrastructure now, but am thinking I may be overdoing the CAT5e
>> ports. Planning on about 30-35 ports for a 3,200 sq ft building.  I'll have
>> a couple of business class APs and am thinking I should have wired ports as
>> an option for IP phones and other heavy users of data.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bob
>> www.coworkfactorynb.com
>>
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