[CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine
Hello, Create! More chatter from *Libre Graphics Magazine*. In issue 1.1, we've reserved nine full pages for pro bono ads. These pages are spaces we want to go to the promotion of F/LOSS and Libre Graphics software and projects. So far, only one is spoken for. Which means that we've got eight whole pages left for the promotion of Libre Graphics projects. We're running A4 size pages and if you don't want to design an ad yourself, we'll do it for you. If your project wants one of those spaces, either reply to this thread, to me, or to enquir...@libregraphicsmag.com. -- ginger all-lower-case coons adaptstudio.ca 647.865.7757 (Toronto) 514.213.1318 (Montreal) ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
[CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine
Question about what is probably obvious to everyone else: By 'pro bono', does this mean that the remaining eight full-page advertisements are available for free, no fee, no remuneration to the magazine? This 'free' concept continues to confound my brain, which is *never* available for free, and frequently goes out of its way to oppose my personal needs, goals, and professional reputation. It apparently is currently on strike until it receives more caffeine and glucose. Thanks for your considered and hopefully polite response, - Susan Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:38:19 -0400 From: ginger coons gin...@adaptstudio.ca Subject: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine ...we've reserved nine full pages for pro bono ads. -- ginger all-lower-case coons ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
[CREATE] Questions and reflections about gradients
Hi! Still going on with SwatchBooker, I'm now analysing gradients file formats http://www.selapa.net/swatches/gradients/fileformats.php and as I was thinking at my own format for these, there were some things triggering me... And I'd really like to have some other's opinions about them... * I don't see the point in Foreground/Background colors http://www.mail-archive.com/create@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01272.html ;-) I see even less the point in having gradients swatches defined with Foreground/Background colors... This is a feature you can find in Photoshop and Gimp gradients. For sure I don't see how it would be useful in an exchange format... * In my idea, a gradient is defined by stops and the way to go from one to the other. All other things like shape, angle, center, etc. are how you use the gradient, not the gradient itself. Which means I would leave out these features when importing from OpenOffice.org or Flash. * I think the segment concept of Gimp isn't really interesting since the position of a segment start has to be the same as the end of the previous one, and in 99% of the cases, the color is the same too. For the 1% left, you can create another stop at the same position. * I'm not sure yet how to deal with transparency. My first option would be to say: we're talking about color gradient and transparency isn't a color attribute, it's an object or painter attribute, so we leave it out completely. There's the Adobe's option to have a transparency gradient next to the color gradient but then again, why not really differentiate things and really separate them... But at least it would cover that feature because I really think including transparency into the color definition is wrong. * Is there any free software dealing with noise gradients? Even though I thought a lot about these things, I really appreciate contradiction so start shooting ;-) Olivier ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Questions and reflections about gradients
On 11/4/10, Olivier BERTEN wrote: * I don't see the point in Foreground/Background colors http://www.mail-archive.com/create@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01272.html ;-) I see even less the point in having gradients swatches defined with Foreground/Background colors... This is a feature you can find in Photoshop and Gimp gradients. For sure I don't see how it would be useful in an exchange format... Inkscape doesn't have FG/BG colors in gradients, even though we were criticized for that some months ago (the discussion was in inkscape-devel@) :) IMO, start and end are the best you can get really. FG/BG are just common conventions many people got used to. But even for gradients fg/bg and start/end don't have to make sense. If you look at Mandelbulber's Shaders tab, you'll see a kind of gradient that controls coloring of a 3D fractal. The concept of start and end is quite washed out there. * I think the segment concept of Gimp isn't really interesting since the position of a segment start has to be the same as the end of the previous one, and in 99% of the cases, the color is the same too. For the 1% left, you can create another stop at the same position. OTOH things like blending function and coloring type for segments in GIMP's gradients can be of use. * Is there any free software dealing with noise gradients? Not that I know of. Noise gradients are entirely a Photoshop thing to the best of my knowledge. I have to admit though we haven't looked at any of Corel PSP's assets (mostly because the installer doesn't wish to work on wine out of box). Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Questions and reflections about gradients
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Olivier BERTEN olivier.ber...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! Still going on with SwatchBooker, I'm now analysing gradients file formats http://www.selapa.net/swatches/gradients/fileformats.php and as I was thinking at my own format for these, there were some things triggering me... And I'd really like to have some other's opinions about them... * I don't see the point in Foreground/Background colors http://www.mail-archive.com/create@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01272.html ;-) I see even less the point in having gradients swatches defined with Foreground/Background colors... This is a feature you can find in Photoshop and Gimp gradients. For sure I don't see how it would be useful in an exchange format... The feature itself makes sense (I recently added it to Krita on request). That is mostly used for foreground-transparent and foreground-background gradients that are handled by the applications internally but not exported. * In my idea, a gradient is defined by stops and the way to go from one to the other. All other things like shape, angle, center, etc. are how you use the gradient, not the gradient itself. Which means I would leave out these features when importing from OpenOffice.org or Flash. Agreed. * I think the segment concept of Gimp isn't really interesting since the position of a segment start has to be the same as the end of the previous one, and in 99% of the cases, the color is the same too. For the 1% left, you can create another stop at the same position. The main difference of the segmented gradients is that can have different interpolations per segment. There are interpolations like sinus and color interpolations like HSV. Of course in probably 99% of the cases just linear is used. For the application it doesn't really matter if the gradient comes as stop or segment gradient. In Krita we can use can use both types and for Karbon we convert Gimp gradients to stop gradients (with potential loss of some features). * I'm not sure yet how to deal with transparency. My first option would be to say: we're talking about color gradient and transparency isn't a color attribute, it's an object or painter attribute, so we leave it out completely. There's the Adobe's option to have a transparency gradient next to the color gradient but then again, why not really differentiate things and really separate them... But at least it would cover that feature because I really think including transparency into the color definition is wrong. Transparency is at least needed for the stops, so it's linked to the stop color anyway. The application can still decide if it wants to use the transparency or not. * Is there any free software dealing with noise gradients? Even though I thought a lot about these things, I really appreciate contradiction so start shooting ;-) Olivier ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine
In this case, pro bono means free as in beer. The ads are at no cost to the advertisers, because we want to give them a leg up and a little exposure to potential new users. So for once, free does mean monetary, not free as in freedom. -ginger On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.comwrote: Question about what is probably obvious to everyone else: By 'pro bono', does this mean that the remaining eight full-page advertisements are available for free, no fee, no remuneration to the magazine? This 'free' concept continues to confound my brain, which is *never* available for free, and frequently goes out of its way to oppose my personal needs, goals, and professional reputation. It apparently is currently on strike until it receives more caffeine and glucose. Thanks for your considered and hopefully polite response, - Susan Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:38:19 -0400 From: ginger coons gin...@adaptstudio.ca Subject: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine ...we've reserved nine full pages for pro bono ads. -- ginger all-lower-case coons ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create -- ginger all-lower-case coons adaptstudio.ca 647.865.7757 (Toronto) 514.213.1318 (Montreal) ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine
Yes, I would like a pro-bono ad only for Aiki Framework: http://aikiframework.org What is needed of this? cheers jon On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:38 AM, ginger coons gin...@adaptstudio.ca wrote: In this case, pro bono means free as in beer. The ads are at no cost to the advertisers, because we want to give them a leg up and a little exposure to potential new users. So for once, free does mean monetary, not free as in freedom. -ginger On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote: Question about what is probably obvious to everyone else: By 'pro bono', does this mean that the remaining eight full-page advertisements are available for free, no fee, no remuneration to the magazine? This 'free' concept continues to confound my brain, which is never available for free, and frequently goes out of its way to oppose my personal needs, goals, and professional reputation. It apparently is currently on strike until it receives more caffeine and glucose. Thanks for your considered and hopefully polite response, - Susan Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:38:19 -0400 From: ginger coons gin...@adaptstudio.ca Subject: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine ...we've reserved nine full pages for pro bono ads. -- ginger all-lower-case coons ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create -- ginger all-lower-case coons adaptstudio.ca 647.865.7757 (Toronto) 514.213.1318 (Montreal) ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ http://status.net/ http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china) ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Questions and reflections about gradients
On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Sven Langkamp wrote: * In my idea, a gradient is defined by stops and the way to go from one to the other. All other things like shape, angle, center, etc. are how you use the gradient, not the gradient itself. Which means I would leave out these features when importing from OpenOffice.org or Flash. Agreed. Yes, I've done the analysis in the past and came to the same conclusion. It is most helpful to separate the gradient itself away from the application of a gradient: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Swatch_Book#Gradient http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Swatch_Book#Gradient_Application ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Questions and reflections about gradients
On Nov 3, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Sven Langkamp wrote: * I think the segment concept of Gimp isn't really interesting since the position of a segment start has to be the same as the end of the previous one, and in 99% of the cases, the color is the same too. For the 1% left, you can create another stop at the same position. The main difference of the segmented gradients is that can have different interpolations per segment. There are interpolations like sinus and color interpolations like HSV. Of course in probably 99% of the cases just linear is used. For the application it doesn't really matter if the gradient comes as stop or segment gradient. In Krita we can use can use both types and for Karbon we convert Gimp gradients to stop gradients (with potential loss of some features). There isn't anything specifically tying different interpolations to segments. Instead of storing segments with two separate colors each (per endpoint aka per stop), one can just store the endpoints. If stored with endpoints only, the midpoint value applies to the portion leading up to that stop. An interpolation value also can be. Given that SVG, CSS3 and Adobe all prefer viewing gradients as sets of stops, not segments, this seems like a reasonable approach. I've also not worked out any scenarios where storing as sets of stops instead of gradients will give a functional or end-user visible difference. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
