Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

On 27 March 2013 03:43, "Christoph Schäfer"  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just in case it has escaped anyone's attention, Adobe has made the Pantone 
> colour palettes that had been shipped with Illustrator versions prior to CS6 
> freely available for download here: 
> http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/pantone-plus.html
>
> All you need is SwatchBooker to convert the ACB files to the format you need 
> :)

Coming from Adobe it would be important to distinguish if they are
"librely" available or
"gratisly" avaliable. I'd supose it is the later. That might suit
individual users, but
for including the colors in any project or add on, their terms of use
have to be scrutinized.

Oh WAIT!
There is no legalese on that page, but for a 'CC-NC-SA'  stamp at the
end, and the files are simple zips to be downloaded from a  URL
featuring the CC'ed text as their parent - and containing no license
or legal text themselves. So I guess - that is the actual use license.
It still will have some restrictions to use in all projects due to the
"Non Comercial" bit on the license, though - but as I see it it could
be used in comunity maintained add-ons (plug-ins, pallete files in
different repositories) without problems.

  js
 -><-
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christoph
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[CREATE] #codethesquare open call for sketches

[Monica Cachafeiro]

Hi all,

We want to share with you the project #codethesquare, an open platform 
to show Processing.js sketches on the medialab-prado digital facade.


http://programalaplaza.medialab-prado.es/ 



There is a permanent call already open and we will show the sketches 
summited during theLibre Graphics meeting 
.


On the website you will find some advices to design.

Best
Mónica

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Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

> Oh WAIT!
> There is no legalese on that page, but for a 'CC-NC-SA'  stamp at the
> end, and the files are simple zips to be downloaded from a  URL
> featuring the CC'ed text as their parent - and containing no license
> or legal text themselves. So I guess - that is the actual use license.
> It still will have some restrictions to use in all projects due to the
> "Non Comercial" bit on the license, though - but as I see it it could
> be used in comunity maintained add-ons (plug-ins, pallete files in
> different repositories) without problems.

Don't get overexcited. CC license applies to the documentation only.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Gregory Pittman]

On 03/27/2013 09:04 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
> 
>> Oh WAIT!
>> There is no legalese on that page, but for a 'CC-NC-SA'  stamp at the
>> end, and the files are simple zips to be downloaded from a  URL
>> featuring the CC'ed text as their parent - and containing no license
>> or legal text themselves. So I guess - that is the actual use license.
>> It still will have some restrictions to use in all projects due to the
>> "Non Comercial" bit on the license, though - but as I see it it could
>> be used in comunity maintained add-ons (plug-ins, pallete files in
>> different repositories) without problems.
> 
> Don't get overexcited. CC license applies to the documentation only.

At the same time, I think you have to consider what the nature of some
protection is that Pantone wants or has control over. Since a part of
their business is the selling of swatchbooks, they don't want any
competition in that regard, so you would have to be careful about some
commercial use which bypasses that.

I would be careful about distributing to others some personal swatchbook
which applies to Pantone colors for that reason. This is why we do not
include their palette with Scribus.

However, the inclusion of a Pantone spot color specification in a PDF is
not anything they would have any interest in interfering with, so
specifying Pantone inks is not an issue.

Greg
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Re: [CREATE] #codethesquare open call for sketches

[Monica Cachafeiro]

Hi,

Solve!

Deadline april 10!

thanks :-)


El 27/03/2013 14:01, S.Kemter escribió:

Hi,

Quote: Submit your work before February 13th..

;)

br gnokii

2013/3/27 Monica Cachafeiro >


Hi all,

We want to share with you the project #codethesquare, an open
platform to show Processing.js sketches on the medialab-prado
digital facade.

http://programalaplaza.medialab-prado.es/


There is a permanent call already open and we will show the
sketches summited during theLibre Graphics meeting
.

On the website you will find some advices to design.

Best
Mónica

-- 
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Medialab Prado
Área de Las Artes, Ayuntamiento de Madrid
Tlf: 915 177 289, ext. 57289
skype:monica.cachafeiro
http://www.medialab-prado.es

Durante las obras que tienen lugar en MEDIALAB PRADO (Plaza de las Letras. 
Alameda, 15. 28014 Madrid) el personal y la actividad se trasladan 
temporalmente a Paseo de la Chopera, 14. 28045 Madrid 
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Go Green, Keep it on the Screen!


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Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Christoph Schäfer]

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. März 2013 um 11:26 Uhr
> Von: "Joao S. O. Bueno" 
> An: "Christoph Schäfer" 
> Cc: CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org
> Betreff: Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from 
> Adobe
>
> On 27 March 2013 03:43, "Christoph Schäfer"  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just in case it has escaped anyone's attention, Adobe has made the Pantone 
> > colour palettes that had been shipped with Illustrator versions prior to 
> > CS6 freely available for download here: 
> > http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/pantone-plus.html
> >
> > All you need is SwatchBooker to convert the ACB files to the format you 
> > need :)
>
> Coming from Adobe it would be important to distinguish if they are
> "librely" available or
> "gratisly" avaliable. I'd supose it is the later. That might suit
> individual users, but
> for including the colors in any project or add on, their terms of use
> have to be scrutinized.

I did not mean to say otherwise. This is good news for *individual users*, who 
now can, thanks to Olivier's creation Swatchbooker, easily download these 
palettes and convert them to a format their Libre program can use. That's all, 
b*ut for many users that's already a lot. It should also be mentioned that 
these palettes include only the traditional Pantone Color Bridge palettes, not 
Pantone Goe or Pantone Plus.


Cheers,

Christoph
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Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Guillermo Espertino (Gez)]

El 28/03/13 00:14, "Christoph Schäfer" escribió:


I did not mean to say otherwise. This is good news for *individual users*, who 
now can, thanks to Olivier's creation Swatchbooker, easily download these 
palettes and convert them to a format their Libre program can use. That's all, 
b*ut for many users that's already a lot. It should also be mentioned that 
these palettes include only the traditional Pantone Color Bridge palettes, not 
Pantone Goe or Pantone Plus.



Swatchbooker Batch Converter has always had a feature to download 
Pantone palettes from Pantone X-Ref site and convert them into usable 
palettes for libre graphics packages.
I used that feature and created gpl palettes for GIMP and Inkscape from 
the Pantone Formula books (originally in Lab) and xml palettes for 
Scribus from the Formula and Bridge books.

I even created a Pantone Palette for OpenOffice :-)

So, what exactly does the the publishing of those packages change?

Gez

p.s.: Oh, and btw, the batch converter also gets Goe and fashion books 
from X-Ref.

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Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from Adobe

[Christoph Schäfer]

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 um 05:55 Uhr
> Von: "Guillermo Espertino (Gez)" 
> An: create@lists.freedesktop.org
> Betreff: Re: [CREATE] Free and legal download of Pantone colour palettes from 
> Adobe
>
> El 28/03/13 00:14, "Christoph Schäfer" escribió:
>
> > I did not mean to say otherwise. This is good news for *individual users*, 
> > who now can, thanks to Olivier's creation Swatchbooker, easily download 
> > these palettes and convert them to a format their Libre program can use. 
> > That's all, b*ut for many users that's already a lot. It should also be 
> > mentioned that these palettes include only the traditional Pantone Color 
> > Bridge palettes, not Pantone Goe or Pantone Plus.
>
>
> Swatchbooker Batch Converter has always had a feature to download
> Pantone palettes from Pantone X-Ref site and convert them into usable
> palettes for libre graphics packages.
> I used that feature and created gpl palettes for GIMP and Inkscape from
> the Pantone Formula books (originally in Lab) and xml palettes for
> Scribus from the Formula and Bridge books.
> I even created a Pantone Palette for OpenOffice :-)
>
> So, what exactly does the the publishing of those packages change?
>
> Gez
>
> p.s.: Oh, and btw, the batch converter also gets Goe and fashion books
> from X-Ref.

What the downloading option in SwatchBooker does is accessing public data for 
an iPhone app, and what you get is RGB values which are not intended for use in 
professional publishing. The files made available by Adobe are spot/CMYK/RGB 
colours stored as L*a*b*. In other words, in terms of professional publishing, 
the data downloaded by SwatchBooker are toys, whereas the data made available 
by Adobe are "the real thing".

Moreover, consider yourself lucky that Pantone hasn't unleashed an army of 
lawyers on you yet ;) Maybe this is due to your jurisdiction, but it is 
unthinkable that Pantone wouldn't object to the distribution of their digital 
colour palettes without a proper licence agreement. The web is full of sites 
that used to list Pantone colours but were forced to remove them after Pantone 
threatened legal action. Whether we like it or not (in terms of results), 
Pantone is just as entitled to use copyright and trademark protection for their 
purposes as are Free Software and Open Content projects. If we don't respect 
the rights of others, we lose the moral rights to enforce our own Free and Open 
licenses. It could also seal doors that are currently closed, but may be opened 
in the future (think of IBM, for instance): "Constant dripping wears away the 
stone."


Cheers,

Christoph
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