Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
ping JC! On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Ha, I'm on plane, but JC and I met up and hashed out the necessary parts for the spec. I'll put up on wiki when I touch down. Also, we need artificial deadline to ge this thing done! :) Jon 2010/1/22 Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de: Am Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 05:56:11 schrieb Jon Cruz: On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Cyrille Berger wrote: Ok, I will clarify my opinion. I agree that swatchbook is more than just colors, that includes gradient, pattern, brushes, etc... And that we currently have no easy way to exchange swatchbook, between users, and applications. So we definitely need a specification for swatchbook. However, what I do not know (and therefor I have no opinion) is wether we need a specification for the gradient themselves, or if SVG gradients are enough, or if something is missing in SVG gradients. Yes. I did some analysis and it turns out that once you remove the physical applications of gradients (and thus also linear vs. radial gradients) SVG gradients are a subset of GIMP gradients. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Swatch_Book#Gradient I'm also working on implementing this *right now* :-) Well, we've got some stuff going here at linux.conf.au and Christoph S. needs the open format right away. No, he doesn't ;) At least one ink vendor and Adobe will be attending LGM to discuss the new format. An existing draft wouldn't hurt, though :) Cheers, Christoph ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Mar 25, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: ping JC! On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jon Phillips j...@rejon.org wrote: Ha, I'm on plane, but JC and I met up and hashed out the necessary parts for the spec. I'll put up on wiki when I touch down. Also, we need artificial deadline to ge this thing done! :) Initial rough prototyping of the tool has been completed and achieved visible UI results: http://twitpic.com/1axvcm Priority shifted to finishing enough of an implementation to be able to ship Inkscape 0.48 with basic swatch support. http://twitpic.com/19sukk This work has been winding up, so we should be looking good to incorporate the actual implementation experience back into refinements for the specs. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
Ha, I'm on plane, but JC and I met up and hashed out the necessary parts for the spec. I'll put up on wiki when I touch down. Also, we need artificial deadline to ge this thing done! :) Jon 2010/1/22 Christoph Schäfer christoph-schae...@gmx.de: Am Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 05:56:11 schrieb Jon Cruz: On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Cyrille Berger wrote: Ok, I will clarify my opinion. I agree that swatchbook is more than just colors, that includes gradient, pattern, brushes, etc... And that we currently have no easy way to exchange swatchbook, between users, and applications. So we definitely need a specification for swatchbook. However, what I do not know (and therefor I have no opinion) is wether we need a specification for the gradient themselves, or if SVG gradients are enough, or if something is missing in SVG gradients. Yes. I did some analysis and it turns out that once you remove the physical applications of gradients (and thus also linear vs. radial gradients) SVG gradients are a subset of GIMP gradients. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Swatch_Book#Gradient I'm also working on implementing this *right now* :-) Well, we've got some stuff going here at linux.conf.au and Christoph S. needs the open format right away. No, he doesn't ;) At least one ink vendor and Adobe will be attending LGM to discuss the new format. An existing draft wouldn't hurt, though :) Cheers, Christoph ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Cyrille Berger wrote: I think we'll also need gradients and tagging to go with that. Without, it is good for programmers but not end users/artists. I think everyone agrees on that, the colors spec has always just being only a starting point. Well... no. That has been a bit of the problem. Many had said that colors were enough and that they intentionally did not want anything further. I'd be very very happy if that has now become the new point of agreement. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Thursday 21 January 2010, Jon Cruz wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Cyrille Berger wrote: I think we'll also need gradients and tagging to go with that. Without, it is good for programmers but not end users/artists. I think everyone agrees on that, the colors spec has always just being only a starting point. Well... no. That has been a bit of the problem. Many had said that colors were enough and that they intentionally did not want anything further. I'd be very very happy if that has now become the new point of agreement. Ok, I will clarify my opinion. I agree that swatchbook is more than just colors, that includes gradient, pattern, brushes, etc... And that we currently have no easy way to exchange swatchbook, between users, and applications. So we definitely need a specification for swatchbook. However, what I do not know (and therefor I have no opinion) is wether we need a specification for the gradient themselves, or if SVG gradients are enough, or if something is missing in SVG gradients. -- Cyrille Berger ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
Am 22.01.10, 01:44 +1300 schrieb Jon Cruz: On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Cyrille Berger wrote: I think we'll also need gradients and tagging to go with that. Without, it is good for programmers but not end users/artists. I think everyone agrees on that, the colors spec has always just being only a starting point. Well... no. That has been a bit of the problem. Many had said that colors were enough and that they intentionally did not want anything further. I'd be very very happy if that has now become the new point of agreement. Thats the sad point of me not having a chance to move that toppic to OpenICC at all ;-) As I understand, colour is only a first part with more attributes to follow. kind regards Kai-Uwe Behrmann -- developing for colour management www.behrmann.name + www.oyranos.org ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Cyrille Berger wrote: Ok, I will clarify my opinion. I agree that swatchbook is more than just colors, that includes gradient, pattern, brushes, etc... And that we currently have no easy way to exchange swatchbook, between users, and applications. So we definitely need a specification for swatchbook. However, what I do not know (and therefor I have no opinion) is wether we need a specification for the gradient themselves, or if SVG gradients are enough, or if something is missing in SVG gradients. Yes. I did some analysis and it turns out that once you remove the physical applications of gradients (and thus also linear vs. radial gradients) SVG gradients are a subset of GIMP gradients. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Swatch_Book#Gradient I'm also working on implementing this *right now* :-) Well, we've got some stuff going here at linux.conf.au and Christoph S. needs the open format right away. Of course since I'll still be in New Zealand 'till the 1st, I'm not sure if it will happen in just a single day. Oh, and to exchange things we are going to have Viaduct to at least fill in the gap. http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Viaduct ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
Am Freitag, 22. Januar 2010 05:56:11 schrieb Jon Cruz: On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Cyrille Berger wrote: Ok, I will clarify my opinion. I agree that swatchbook is more than just colors, that includes gradient, pattern, brushes, etc... And that we currently have no easy way to exchange swatchbook, between users, and applications. So we definitely need a specification for swatchbook. However, what I do not know (and therefor I have no opinion) is wether we need a specification for the gradient themselves, or if SVG gradients are enough, or if something is missing in SVG gradients. Yes. I did some analysis and it turns out that once you remove the physical applications of gradients (and thus also linear vs. radial gradients) SVG gradients are a subset of GIMP gradients. http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Swatch_Book#Gradient I'm also working on implementing this *right now* :-) Well, we've got some stuff going here at linux.conf.au and Christoph S. needs the open format right away. No, he doesn't ;) At least one ink vendor and Adobe will be attending LGM to discuss the new format. An existing draft wouldn't hurt, though :) Cheers, Christoph ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Carlos López González wrote: Very interesting. I've been thinking lately on implement a palette file format for Synfig Studio. I was considering to use same format as Gimp but after see the xml specification from SwatchBooker it seems reasonable to use it as our standard. That would give us the opportunity to import several palette formats from other applications and make the Synfig Studio ones easily portable. Also it is possible to save the palette format within the animation file. I'm not aware about any discussion on palette format in this mailing list. Can you guys enlight me? Is there any open standard on pallete definition? Well... I've pointed out a few times that we really want to cover swatches, which are far more than just color. The CREATE color effort stopped at color and color only. I think that Synfig is exactly the type of application that needs swatches in the general graphic arts sense of the word. http://codewideopen.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-is-swatch.html I've got code started for Inkscape, and now that 0.47 has been released we can be moving forward on it. Also... it appears that all the color set work with professional companies Scribus is doing might also need this. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
This is my intention. Once I'm satisfied with colors, I'll go on with other swatch types (see http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Swatches) Olivier Jon Cruz a écrit : On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Carlos López González wrote: Very interesting. I've been thinking lately on implement a palette file format for Synfig Studio. I was considering to use same format as Gimp but after see the xml specification from SwatchBooker it seems reasonable to use it as our standard. That would give us the opportunity to import several palette formats from other applications and make the Synfig Studio ones easily portable. Also it is possible to save the palette format within the animation file. I'm not aware about any discussion on palette format in this mailing list. Can you guys enlight me? Is there any open standard on pallete definition? Well... I've pointed out a few times that we really want to cover swatches, which are far more than just color. The CREATE color effort stopped at color and color only. I think that Synfig is exactly the type of application that needs swatches in the general graphic arts sense of the word. http://codewideopen.blogspot.com/2008/03/what-is-swatch.html I've got code started for Inkscape, and now that 0.47 has been released we can be moving forward on it. Also... it appears that all the color set work with professional companies Scribus is doing might also need this. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: Jon and others, as I've said before, what is the definitive swatch that covers color. I don't want to split hairs, we just need one standard to push for swatches, which encompasses color. I think we'll also need gradients and tagging to go with that. Without, it is good for programmers but not end users/artists. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
Ok Jon, lets find time to drill down on this here at LCA on friday...ping me offlist and lets get it sorted! Jon On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Jon Cruz j...@joncruz.org wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: Jon and others, as I've said before, what is the definitive swatch that covers color. I don't want to split hairs, we just need one standard to push for swatches, which encompasses color. I think we'll also need gradients and tagging to go with that. Without, it is good for programmers but not end users/artists. -- Jon Phillips http://rejon.org/ http://fabricatorz.com/ internet: @rejon + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) Sent from Wellington, Wgn, New Zealand ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
On Thursday 21 January 2010, Jon Cruz wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: Jon and others, as I've said before, what is the definitive swatch that covers color. I don't want to split hairs, we just need one standard to push for swatches, which encompasses color. I think we'll also need gradients and tagging to go with that. Without, it is good for programmers but not end users/artists. I think everyone agrees on that, the colors spec has always just being only a starting point. -- Cyrille Berger ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 55, Issue 10
2010/1/18 create-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org Here's a new release so that you know that the project is still alive ;-) https://gna.org/files/?group=swatchbooker * SwatchBooker is now translatable * I also added a command-line convert utility (sbconvert.py) * New extra field for non-standard informations * More editing features * + lots of bugfixes Some information about SwatchBooker's own file format: http://localhost/selapa.net/swatchbooker/#fileformat Very interesting. I've been thinking lately on implement a palette file format for Synfig Studio. I was considering to use same format as Gimp but after see the xml specification from SwatchBooker it seems reasonable to use it as our standard. That would give us the opportunity to import several palette formats from other applications and make the Synfig Studio ones easily portable. Also it is possible to save the palette format within the animation file. I'm not aware about any discussion on palette format in this mailing list. Can you guys enlight me? Is there any open standard on pallete definition? Thanks Carlos ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
