Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi, I was at the mentor summit as well, but did not have the chance to talk to the graphics project mentors. As the deadline is approaching I just want to say: Yes, everyone please feel free to apply as the time is probably not enough to coordinate. Maybe some of the administrators or mentors of the Gimp/Inkscape/Blender GSoC projects are one the list and are interested to propose a project docsprint. There is time to make a more detailed plan after the deadline. For now it is important to show interest. Even though it would be best to have a clear plan, the discussion what is best suited and what people are interested in can also continue afterwards. On the website it is stated: Free software projects of any sort can also apply - they do not need to be GSoC 2012 projects although these may be given preference. You can also apply as an individual. It might be a good idea in any way to have people of the community applying as it might result in more documentation support by Google in future as well. Here the link again: https://sites.google.com/site/docsprintsummitv2/home You might get travel support, if you apply for it. All the best, Mario On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Hong Phuc Dang h...@fossasia.org wrote: Hi Jehan, I am making a quick reply as I am traveling right now. I will write more later. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hong Phuc about your initial question of mounting a documentation project around the graphical Free Software programs, what do you think of our proposition then, centered around animation? Does it interest you? I think it is a great idea. I am totally interested and would love to support in any ways. Because now that you gave us this link, and this idea that I did not have, I am thinking of proposing the project myself, if you are not interested by this project. But I don't want to shortcut your proposition of cooperation, especially that we are not experts (yet?) on the whole graphical Free Software suite. Please do not worry about that. I just tried to spread the news. Everyone can propose his own project. Of course, other interested can propose too, especially those who said they make animation too. Apparently we can propose up to 5 individuals for a project, and we are 2 for now (my graphist and I). Thanks. Sure. Do you know more people who would like to work together on this? Let's put together a brief outline of what the book will cover. Then we need to fill in the registration form and submit it before Oct 26th. Best, Hong Phuc ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi, On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Hong Phuc Dang h...@fossasia.org wrote: Hi Jehan, I am making a quick reply as I am traveling right now. I will write more later. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hong Phuc about your initial question of mounting a documentation project around the graphical Free Software programs, what do you think of our proposition then, centered around animation? Does it interest you? I think it is a great idea. I am totally interested and would love to support in any ways. Because now that you gave us this link, and this idea that I did not have, I am thinking of proposing the project myself, if you are not interested by this project. But I don't want to shortcut your proposition of cooperation, especially that we are not experts (yet?) on the whole graphical Free Software suite. Please do not worry about that. I just tried to spread the news. Everyone can propose his own project. Of course, other interested can propose too, especially those who said they make animation too. Apparently we can propose up to 5 individuals for a project, and we are 2 for now (my graphist and I). Thanks. Sure. Do you know more people who would like to work together on this? Let's put together a brief outline of what the book will cover. Then we need to fill in the registration form and submit it before Oct 26th. I am traveling too right now, so I have very sparse internet access. Moreover my timezone (Japan) and the fact that the deadline is very inaccurate (26th, midnight? Before? In which timezone?), I just submitted the project now to be sure and not miss the deadline. Sorry for not waiting for you for putting an outline together. But as Mario Behling said on the thread, we can refine the project description later. Also I am not sure to have understood if you wish to participate, or are more of an organizer (if I understood correctly Elisa's email, which said you represented FLOSS Manuals). So I am not going to add you in the participant list. But if I got it wrong, I guess you can submit as individual and say you are a last minute participant to this project. I named the group/project FLOSS Media Production, explaining this is a placeholder name regrouping several people. Regards, Jehan Best, Hong Phuc ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi, Hong Phuc about your initial question of mounting a documentation project around the graphical Free Software programs, what do you think of our proposition then, centered around animation? Does it interest you? Because now that you gave us this link, and this idea that I did not have, I am thinking of proposing the project myself, if you are not interested by this project. But I don't want to shortcut your proposition of cooperation, especially that we are not experts (yet?) on the whole graphical Free Software suite. Of course, other interested can propose too, especially those who said they make animation too. Apparently we can propose up to 5 individuals for a project, and we are 2 for now (my graphist and I). Thanks. Jehan On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: But you didn't push all the latest changes? Is all there for animating, just didn't push the ugly hack to paint the cells. I would consider another tool for that, one that uses a flood fill algorithm. Ah, got it, thanks :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
hi jehan, Hong Phuc about your initial question of mounting a documentation project around the graphical Free Software programs, what do you think of our proposition then, centered around animation? Does it interest you? i didn't follow the whole thread, so forgive me if my comment is not on topic or redundant. i just wanted to tell you that the people behind the french flossmanuals organization are doing a tremendous work in documenting the graphical Free Software programs! you may have a look at http://fr.flossmanuals.net and, if you feel that it's a good idea, get in touch with them and propose new ideas... ciao a.l.e ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi! 2012/10/24 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: Of course, other interested can propose too, especially those who said they make animation too. Thank you, but I have to pass - it's very unlikely for me to be in California on 3 - 7 December. ^_^ K. -- http://morevnaproject.org/ ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi, The call of Hong Phuc is the call of Floss Manuals english who organize 5 booskprints in 3 days (2 days of non-conference and 3 days of writting) with Google. Google and floss manuals english offer the fly and the accomodation for 5 project. Floss Manuals make a call of project to invite the people who want write a book. As i'm the french manager of Floss Manuals i don't participate at this meeting because the purpose is to write in english, not in french. And as you already know (see ?) my english is not so good :) I remember that Hong Phuc try to promote documentation in english to after that, translate into vietnamese. Dear Hong Phuc a lot of documentation about free graphics tools already exit in french or in english. Maybe you already can translate into vietnamese. But if some people want to write documentation in english, in a booksprint is a very good experience. If other people want write a documentation into french, tell me, i try to organize that :-) We already write about : Pure Data, Arduino, Processing, Gimp, Scribus, Ardour, Free Fontes, Make your epub with free tools, and in January we will write a book about Cinelerra (who want participate ?). Regards, -- Elisa yemanjalisa.net/blog/ fr.flossmanuals.net/ afgral.org 2012/10/24 ale rimoldi ale.comp...@xox.ch: hi jehan, Hong Phuc about your initial question of mounting a documentation project around the graphical Free Software programs, what do you think of our proposition then, centered around animation? Does it interest you? i didn't follow the whole thread, so forgive me if my comment is not on topic or redundant. i just wanted to tell you that the people behind the french flossmanuals organization are doing a tremendous work in documenting the graphical Free Software programs! you may have a look at http://fr.flossmanuals.net and, if you feel that it's a good idea, get in touch with them and propose new ideas... ciao a.l.e ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi Jehan, I am making a quick reply as I am traveling right now. I will write more later. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Hong Phuc about your initial question of mounting a documentation project around the graphical Free Software programs, what do you think of our proposition then, centered around animation? Does it interest you? I think it is a great idea. I am totally interested and would love to support in any ways. Because now that you gave us this link, and this idea that I did not have, I am thinking of proposing the project myself, if you are not interested by this project. But I don't want to shortcut your proposition of cooperation, especially that we are not experts (yet?) on the whole graphical Free Software suite. Please do not worry about that. I just tried to spread the news. Everyone can propose his own project. Of course, other interested can propose too, especially those who said they make animation too. Apparently we can propose up to 5 individuals for a project, and we are 2 for now (my graphist and I). Thanks. Sure. Do you know more people who would like to work together on this? Let's put together a brief outline of what the book will cover. Then we need to fill in the registration form and submit it before Oct 26th. Best, Hong Phuc ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Jehan, I am working lately with a professional graphical animator (me being a developer). We are working on making an animation fully with Free Softwares. We have tried a few Free Softwares and are testing them quite a bit daily, hence have some idea about what exists and not, but there is definitely more to know about the topic. Our current workflow involves: - GIMP for drawing. It could involve mypaint as well, or Inkscape for vector animation (we do raster graphics, here). If you are a developer, you can consider my animation branch of mypaint as a starting point: https://gitorious.org/~manuq/mypaint/xsheet-mypaint would you have anything more than just a repository? A website with a description of the difference, screenshots, tutorials? That's probably interesting but knowing what this is before compiling is a little more appealing. Also do you intend on patching upstream or keeping a parallel version (or even make a completely new software dedicated to animation from this fork)? We did a complete short film with it so kind of works. I would like to convert it to a real traditional animation software in the future, when I find time. I don't say that this is not a good idea. But even traditional animation workflows involve several software programs (often the Adobe ones, like Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, etc.). And I believe this should be also the way to go for Free Software.That allows to have exchangeable bricks. So if we don't like one drawing program for instance, you can just switch to another, but keep your compositing/sequencer/rendering/audio tools. That's one of the stuff I disliked about the GAP plugin for GIMP (that I checked out because it was cited a lot on the web). It just tries to do everything, but not well, and in a way very difficult to manage. Anyway not saying that your program is a bad idea, I haven't even tried it yet. And I will definitely keep an eye on it. But just: are you sure there is a need for a single program which will do everything? Thanks anyway, I'll check it out. Jehan -- .. manuq .. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi! 2012/10/22 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: Hi, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: If you are a developer, you can consider my animation branch of mypaint as a starting point: https://gitorious.org/~manuq/mypaint/xsheet-mypaint would you have anything more than just a repository? A website with a description of the difference, screenshots, tutorials? That's probably interesting but knowing what this is before compiling is a little more appealing. Please take a look here if you want brief overview: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/mypaint-and-blender-powered-open-animation-movie-released http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/customized-mypaint-gains-animation-for-a-new-open-movie-project Regards, K. -- http://morevnaproject.org/ ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: https://gitorious.org/~manuq/mypaint/xsheet-mypaint We did a complete short film with it so kind of works. I would like to convert it to a real traditional animation software in the future, when I find time. But you didn't push all the latest changes? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
2012/10/22 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: Hi, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Jehan, I am working lately with a professional graphical animator (me being a developer). We are working on making an animation fully with Free Softwares. We have tried a few Free Softwares and are testing them quite a bit daily, hence have some idea about what exists and not, but there is definitely more to know about the topic. Our current workflow involves: - GIMP for drawing. It could involve mypaint as well, or Inkscape for vector animation (we do raster graphics, here). If you are a developer, you can consider my animation branch of mypaint as a starting point: https://gitorious.org/~manuq/mypaint/xsheet-mypaint would you have anything more than just a repository? A website with a description of the difference, screenshots, tutorials? That's probably interesting but knowing what this is before compiling is a little more appealing. Also do you intend on patching upstream or keeping a parallel version (or even make a completely new software dedicated to animation from this fork)? Sorry, no support, and will not keep an upstream mypaint patched. I want to go for a real app from scratch, using the same building blocks as mypaint: brushlib, gegl. I was offering to you as a developer, I would not consider it for a studio to use it as-is. Here's a video: https://vimeo.com/28944078 We did a complete short film with it so kind of works. I would like to convert it to a real traditional animation software in the future, when I find time. I don't say that this is not a good idea. But even traditional animation workflows involve several software programs (often the Adobe ones, like Photoshop, Premiere, After Effects, etc.). And I believe this should be also the way to go for Free Software.That allows to have exchangeable bricks. So if we don't like one drawing program for instance, you can just switch to another, but keep your compositing/sequencer/rendering/audio tools. That's one of the stuff I disliked about the GAP plugin for GIMP (that I checked out because it was cited a lot on the web). It just tries to do everything, but not well, and in a way very difficult to manage. Anyway not saying that your program is a bad idea, I haven't even tried it yet. And I will definitely keep an eye on it. But just: are you sure there is a need for a single program which will do everything? Thanks anyway, I'll check it out. The branch is not trying to do everything, just the line animation. You'll have to paint the cells in another app and the compositing too. We used Blender for that. -- .. manuq .. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
2012/10/22 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: https://gitorious.org/~manuq/mypaint/xsheet-mypaint We did a complete short film with it so kind of works. I would like to convert it to a real traditional animation software in the future, when I find time. But you didn't push all the latest changes? Is all there for animating, just didn't push the ugly hack to paint the cells. I would consider another tool for that, one that uses a flood fill algorithm. -- .. manuq .. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Manuel Quiñones wrote: But you didn't push all the latest changes? Is all there for animating, just didn't push the ugly hack to paint the cells. I would consider another tool for that, one that uses a flood fill algorithm. Ah, got it, thanks :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
[CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Dear all, I would like to follow up on ideas about improving documentation for graphics software with different people over the time. At the moment there is a call for documentation projects and individuals to invite proposals from Google, which needs to be answered until Oct. 26: https://sites.google.com/site/docsprintsummitv2/home Individuals and projects are invited to submit proposals for the GSoC Doc Camp to be held at Google's Mountain View headquarters (California) 3 December - 7 December.' Projects that participated in Google Summer of Code, will be preferred but others can also submit applications. I was involved as an admin with GSoC mentor organization FOSSASIA this year, but there are projects like Blender, Gimp and Inkscape are in GSoC as well. I am currently in Mountain View participating at the mentor summit. I would be happy to work together with anyone interested in graphics related documentation sprints and get an application going. What are your thoughts about it? All the best, Hong Phuc ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi, On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Hong Phuc Dang h...@fossasia.org wrote: Dear all, I would like to follow up on ideas about improving documentation for graphics software with different people over the time. At the moment there is a call for documentation projects and individuals to invite proposals from Google, which needs to be answered until Oct. 26: https://sites.google.com/site/docsprintsummitv2/home Interesting. I did not know this doc sprint summit. I have 2 questions though: 1/ They say free documentation of free software. Which license is the doc? Gnu FDL? 2/ They say The books will be launched online in print and ebook formats on the final day of the event. Do they mean it is going to be sold (if they print it too, I would assume so)? If so, will part of the gain be reversed to the participating project? I know that would be their full right for Free Documentation to sell it and keep all, but I imagine it is nicer if projects can gain a little from it. Also that's nicer to be clear on objectives. Individuals and projects are invited to submit proposals for the GSoC Doc Camp to be held at Google's Mountain View headquarters (California) 3 December - 7 December.' Projects that participated in Google Summer of Code, will be preferred but others can also submit applications. I was involved as an admin with GSoC mentor organization FOSSASIA this year, but there are projects like Blender, Gimp and Inkscape are in GSoC as well. I am currently in Mountain View participating at the mentor summit. I would be happy to work together with anyone interested in graphics related documentation sprints and get an application going. What are your thoughts about it? I am working lately with a professional graphical animator (me being a developer). We are working on making an animation fully with Free Softwares. We have tried a few Free Softwares and are testing them quite a bit daily, hence have some idea about what exists and not, but there is definitely more to know about the topic. Our current workflow involves: - GIMP for drawing. It could involve mypaint as well, or Inkscape for vector animation (we do raster graphics, here). - Blender VSE for non-linear sequencing. I know Cinerella is considered one of the most advanced, but I have not fully tested it yet. Blender VSE is already quite awesome. And we have tried kdenlive because we saw it was quite used too. But it had some serious limitations which provided it from being used with many video tracks at once (tracks with alpha channel). That was a no-go. - Compositing? Blender does some. Not sure of the full list of alternatives yet. - Probably a mix of Ardour, Audacity, on a RT kernel for audio. It could be synced with Blender VSE with Jack, if needed. But we have not been there yet. Someone on the GIMP dev mailing list said that Ardour + xjadeo are also a valid solution to work on audio-video sync. Another alternative would be that apparently Ardour is going to be patched (or has already been) for basic video track support. This would mean we could work on audio fully on Ardour, once the video is rendered. - Also I wonder if any solution exists for movie dubbing. Having worked myself as actor in the field for years, this interests me, because I have never seen this in Free Software world, and I have a lot of feedback on the matter. - There exists a bunch of programs for working, more or less efficiently, on subtitles. I have only made basic tests on the matter, found a few interesting programs, but none really awed me until now. - There are some knowledge related to having hardware work with Free Software (as it is not always that obvious), graphical tablets, but also connecting cameras (we do some tests going this way), and such. - Finally there is all the rest which is even less obvious. Like making a professional working environment, like using a versioning system (svn, git), usually used for code, work with binary data (xcf files from GIMP, etc.). That's also a point I am testing a bit lately. Basically FLOSS have a lot of nice softwares, some very advanced (GIMP, Blender, etc.), some more limited or unstable. Some have very nice individual documentation. But there are nearly none good and complete, if at all, documentation for linking them all together in order to make a full animated movie. Note that this topic does not concern 2D animation (our main interest) only. 3D animation could gain from such a documentation (they just have less of GIMP/Inkscape/mypaint, more of Blender), and even movie makers (I mean those with a video/cinema camera). Also the presence of Blender people to the summit could help a lot because they have quite an experience on the topic now, with all their movie projects. As far as I know, there is quite experienced people on the matter, but there is no reknown documentation to gather this knowledge. And we would be happy to work on it, if you are interested as well, during this summit. That
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi! 2012/10/21 Jehan Pagès jehan.marmott...@gmail.com: I am working lately with a professional graphical animator (me being a developer). We are working on making an animation fully with Free Softwares. Very nice works you have on your website. Happy to see professional animators work with free software. ^_^ I am working on 2D animation with Free software too. Maybe you will be interested to look at the project we are working on now - http://morevnaproject.org/. There are lot of notes about our workflow and tools we use. ^_^ We have tried a few Free Softwares and are testing them quite a bit daily, hence have some idea about what exists and not, but there is definitely more to know about the topic. Our current workflow involves: ... - Compositing? Blender does some. Not sure of the full list of alternatives yet. Apart of blender we use Synfig Studio for compositing too - http://synfig.org/ - Probably a mix of Ardour, Audacity, on a RT kernel for audio. It could be synced with Blender VSE with Jack, if needed. But we have not been there yet. I can say Blender + JACK + Ardour is awesome and very powerful. - Also I wonder if any solution exists for movie dubbing. Having worked myself as actor in the field for years, this interests me, because I have never seen this in Free Software world, and I have a lot of feedback on the matter. ... - Finally there is all the rest which is even less obvious. Like making a professional working environment, like using a versioning system (svn, git), usually used for code, work with binary data (xcf files from GIMP, etc.). That's also a point I am testing a bit lately. About the environment. We use git to store the sources. Also we are using Remake for automatic rendering of the projects, it helps a lot - http://morevnaproject.org/tag/remake/. Regards, Konstantin -- http://morevnaproject.org/ ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
Re: [CREATE] Call for proposals for GSoC Doc Camp, Mountain View Dec. 3-7
Hi Jehan, I am working lately with a professional graphical animator (me being a developer). We are working on making an animation fully with Free Softwares. We have tried a few Free Softwares and are testing them quite a bit daily, hence have some idea about what exists and not, but there is definitely more to know about the topic. Our current workflow involves: - GIMP for drawing. It could involve mypaint as well, or Inkscape for vector animation (we do raster graphics, here). If you are a developer, you can consider my animation branch of mypaint as a starting point: https://gitorious.org/~manuq/mypaint/xsheet-mypaint We did a complete short film with it so kind of works. I would like to convert it to a real traditional animation software in the future, when I find time. -- .. manuq .. ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
