Re: [Crm-sig] FRBRoo / CRM for prints?

2015-08-10 Thread Simon Spero 
To add a bit more confusion to the discussion,  one can consider Blake's
hand printed books.
Every plate was coloured individually, and differently, and are some
scholars consider each copy to be a distinct [thing more abstract than
Manifestation].

There is some justification for this,  as there is distinct intellectual
content (produced by the original author, even). This seems to fall into
the awkward place in FRBR where expression and work overlap.

This happens a lot in different places in FRBR;  it's difficult to handle
without using a second order logic,  or at least a first order logic which
allows for quantifying over known predicates.

Simon

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015, 5:48 AM   wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I completely agree with Martin. There is no point in dealing with art
> prints as continuing resources. PRESSoo is inadequate in this context. I
> think there is enough stuff in a combination of FRBRoo and CIDOC CRM to
> cope with at least the main issues raised by art prints. Surely an
> extension of FRBRoo could bring more refinements in the treatment of such
> products, but FRBRoo has to remain a high-level conceptual model.
> Best wishes,
> Patrick
>
>
>
> De :martin 
> A :crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
> Date :09/08/2015 16:11
> Objet :Re: [Crm-sig] FRBRoo / CRM for prints?
> Envoyé par :"Crm-sig" 
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>
> Hi Jim,
>
> A serialization character of prints is not so obvious to me. The reworking
> of print plates appears to me
> to be a rather peculiar process of modification of a material object, not
> so much an editorial series.
> The actual printing process is either a mechanical one, or a combination
> of manual creative work and
> mechanical work, which I'd see more similar to book printing on one side,
> and mold-based techniques,
> such as in ceramics or bronze?
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> On 7/8/2015 7:05 μμ, Jim Salmons wrote:
> Regine, C.E.S., and Martin,
>
> In the context of FRBRoo as a DSL/extension of #cidocCRM with particular
> reference to the “serialization” character of print production, it may be
> useful to consider the ISSN.org’s contribution of PRESSoo, an
> extension/harmonization that brings serialization and continuation
> semantics to FRBRoo.
>
> The reference document is found here:
>
>
> *http://www.issn.org/the-centre-and-the-network/our-partners-and-projects/pressoo/*
> 
>
> and Patrick Le Boeuf’s presentation on behalf of the ISSN working group
> which developed this valuable contribution is here:
>
>  *http://www.slideshare.net/patrickleboeuf/20130719-pres-soo*
> 
>
>
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> -: Jim :-
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Re: [Crm-sig] FRBRoo / CRM for prints?

2015-08-10 Thread patrick . le-boeuf 
Hi everyone,
I completely agree with Martin. There is no point in dealing with art 
prints as continuing resources. PRESSoo is inadequate in this context. I 
think there is enough stuff in a combination of FRBRoo and CIDOC CRM to 
cope with at least the main issues raised by art prints. Surely an 
extension of FRBRoo could bring more refinements in the treatment of such 
products, but FRBRoo has to remain a high-level conceptual model.
Best wishes,
Patrick



De :martin 
A : crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
Date :  09/08/2015 16:11
Objet : Re: [Crm-sig] FRBRoo / CRM for prints?
Envoyé par :"Crm-sig" 



Hi Jim,

A serialization character of prints is not so obvious to me. The reworking 
of print plates appears to me
to be a rather peculiar process of modification of a material object, not 
so much an editorial series.
The actual printing process is either a mechanical one, or a combination 
of manual creative work and
mechanical work, which I'd see more similar to book printing on one side, 
and mold-based techniques,
such as in ceramics or bronze?

Best,

Martin

On 7/8/2015 7:05 μμ, Jim Salmons wrote:
Regine, C.E.S., and Martin,
 
In the context of FRBRoo as a DSL/extension of #cidocCRM with particular 
reference to the “serialization” character of print production, it may be 
useful to consider the ISSN.org’s contribution of PRESSoo, an 
extension/harmonization that brings serialization and continuation 
semantics to FRBRoo.
 
The reference document is found here: 
 
 
http://www.issn.org/the-centre-and-the-network/our-partners-and-projects/pressoo/
 
and Patrick Le Boeuf’s presentation on behalf of the ISSN working group 
which developed this valuable contribution is here:
 
 http://www.slideshare.net/patrickleboeuf/20130719-pres-soo
 
 
Happy-Healthy Vibes,
-: Jim :-
 
Jim Salmons
Twitter: @Jim_Salmons, @FactMiners, @Softalk_Apple
www.FactMiners.org (Open Source #Play2Learn game community)
www.SoftalkApple.com (first FactMiners museum/archive project)
 


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