Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 307

[martin]

Dear Oeyvind,

"objective" may be an overkill. I thought of using a yardstick, which 
compare the Yardstick with the item by human senses. The method is 
objective. Do you have examples of non-objective measurements? The term 
"immediate" I would not like to drop, because I want to make clear that 
evaluation of documents is not regarded as measurement. "Remote sensing" 
still requires the sensors to be in place at the time. Astronomy is not 
a priority domain for us, but "measuring" a Supernova at several 
thousand light years distance would require measuring a Supernova 
signasl arriving at us. So, for me measurement means being in immediate 
contact with the measured.


Would that make sense?

Cheers,

Martin

On 7/12/2016 11:36 πμ, Øyvind Eide wrote:

Dear Martin,

I think the following claim is too strong: “a systematic, objective 
procedure of immediate observation” I think both objective and 
immediate have to be qualified in order to be used in this context. As 
the last paragraph describes the process in some detail, the reference 
to objectivity and immediateness can also just be removed.


All the best,

Øyvind

24. nov. 2016 kl. 17:04 skrev martin >:



Dear All,

After consultation with Achille and Thanasi, here my proposed scope 
note for E16. The idea is to introduce S4 Observation and Observable 
Entity into CRM proper.


*Old Scope note:*


  E16 Measurement

Subclass of:E13  Attribute 
Assignment


Scope note: This class comprises actions measuring physical 
properties and other values that can be determined by a systematic 
procedure.


Examples include measuring the monetary value of a collection of 
coins or the running time of a specific video cassette.


The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as 
yardsticks or radiation detection devices. The interest is in the 
method and care applied, so that the reliability of the result may be 
judged at a later stage, or research continued on the associated 
documents. The date of the event is important for dimensions, which 
may change value over time, such as the length of an object subject 
to shrinkage. Details of methods and devices are best handled as free 
text, whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 dating" should be 
encoded using /P2 has type (is type of:) E55 Type/.


Examples:

§measurement of height of silver cup 232 on the 31^st August 1997

§the carbon 14 dating of the “Schoeninger Speer II” in 1996 [an about 
400.000 years old Palaeolithic complete wooden spear found in 
Schoeningen, Niedersachsen, Germany in 1995]


In First Order Logic:

E16(x) ⊃E13(x)

Properties:

P39  measured 
(was measured by): E1  CRM Entity


P40  observed 
dimension (was observed in): E54  Dimension


*New Scope Note:*


  E16 Measurement

Subclass of:E13  Attribute 
Assignment


Scope note: This class comprises actions measuring quantitative 
physical properties and other values that can be determined by a 
systematic, objective procedure of immediate observation of 
particular states of physical reality. Properties of instances of E90 
Symbolic Object may be measured via observing some of their 
representative carriers.


Examples include measuring the nominal monetary value of a collection 
of coins or the running time of a movie on a specific video cassette.


The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as 
yardsticks or radiation detection devices. The interest is in the 
method and care applied, so that the reliability of the result may be 
judged at a later stage, or research continued on the associated 
documents. The date of the event is important for dimensions, which 
may change value over time, such as the length of an object subject 
to shrinkage. Methods and devices employed should be associated with 
instances of E16 Measurement by properties such as /P33 used specific 
technique,/ /P125 used object of type/,/P16 used specific object/, 
whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 dating" should be encoded 
using /P2 has type (is type of:) E55 Type/. Details of methods and 
devices reused or reusable in other instances of E16 Measurement 
should be documented for these entities rather than the measurements 
themselves, whereas details of particular execution may be documented 
by free text or by instantiating adequate subactivities, if the 
detail may be of interest for an overarching query.


Regardless whether a measurement is made by an instrument or by human 
senses, it represents the initial transition from physical reality to 
information without any other documented information object in 
between in the reasoning chain that would represent the result of the 
interaction of the observer or device with reality. Therefore, 
inferring properties of depicted items using image material, such as 
satellite images, is not regarded as instance of E16 Measurement, but 
as another form of subsequent attribute assignment. Rather, the 
production of the images themselve

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 307

[Øyvind Eide]

Dear Martin,

I think the following claim is too strong: “a systematic, objective procedure 
of immediate observation” I think both objective and immediate have to be 
qualified in order to be used in this context. As the last paragraph describes 
the process in some detail, the reference to objectivity and immediateness can 
also just be removed. 

All the best, 

Øyvind

24. nov. 2016 kl. 17:04 skrev martin :

> Dear All,
> 
> After consultation with Achille and Thanasi, here my proposed scope note for 
> E16. The idea is to introduce S4 Observation and Observable Entity into CRM 
> proper.
> 
> Old Scope note:
> E16 Measurement
> Subclass of:  E13 Attribute Assignment
>  
> Scope note: This class comprises actions measuring physical 
> properties and other values that can be determined by a systematic procedure.
>  
> Examples include measuring the monetary value of a collection of coins or the 
> running time of a specific video cassette.
>  
> The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as yardsticks or 
> radiation detection devices. The interest is in the method and care applied, 
> so that the reliability of the result may be judged at a later stage, or 
> research continued on the associated documents. The date of the event is 
> important for dimensions, which may change value over time, such as the 
> length of an object subject to shrinkage. Details of methods and devices are 
> best handled as free text, whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 
> dating" should be encoded using P2 has type (is type of:) E55 Type.
> Examples:
> §   measurement of height of silver cup 232 on the 31st  August 1997
> §   the carbon 14 dating of the “Schoeninger Speer II” in 1996 [an about 
> 400.000 years old Palaeolithic complete wooden spear found in Schoeningen, 
> Niedersachsen, Germany in 1995]
>  
> In First Order Logic:
>   E16(x) ⊃ E13(x)
>  
> Properties:
> P39 measured (was measured by): E1 CRM Entity
> P40 observed dimension (was observed in): E54 Dimension
>  
> New Scope Note:
> E16 Measurement
> Subclass of:  E13 Attribute Assignment
>  
> Scope note: This class comprises actions measuring quantitative 
> physical properties and other values that can be determined by a systematic,  
>  objective procedure of immediate observation of particular states of 
> physical reality. Properties of instances of E90 Symbolic Object may be 
> measured via observing some of their representative carriers.
>  
> Examples include measuring the nominal monetary value of a collection of 
> coins or the running time of a movie on a specific video cassette.
>  
> The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as yardsticks or 
> radiation detection devices. The interest is in the method and care applied, 
> so that the reliability of the result may be judged at a later stage, or 
> research continued on the associated documents. The date of the event is 
> important for dimensions, which may change value over time, such as the 
> length of an object subject to shrinkage. Methods  and devices employed 
> should be associated with instances of E16 Measurement by properties such as 
> P33 used specific technique,  P125 used object of type, P16 used specific 
> object, whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 dating" should be encoded 
> using P2 has type (is type of:) E55 Type. Details of methods and devices 
> reused or reusable in other instances of E16 Measurement should be documented 
> for these entities rather than the measurements themselves, whereas details 
> of particular execution may be documented by free text or by instantiating 
> adequate subactivities, if the detail may be of interest for an overarching 
> query.
>  
> Regardless whether a measurement is made by an instrument or by human senses, 
> it represents the initial transition from physical reality to information 
> without any other documented information object in between in the reasoning 
> chain that would represent the result of the interaction of the observer or 
> device with reality. Therefore, inferring properties of depicted items using 
> image material, such as satellite images, is not regarded as instance of E16 
> Measurement, but as another form of subsequent attribute assignment. Rather, 
> the production of the images themselves is regarded as instance of E16 
> Measurement. The same reasoning holds for other sensor data.
> Examples:
> §   measurement of height of silver cup 232 on the 31st  August 1997
> §   the carbon 14 dating of the “Schoeninger Speer II” in 1996 [an about 
> 400.000 years old Palaeolithic complete wooden spear found in Schoeningen, 
> Niedersachsen, Germany in 1995]
>  
> In First Order Logic:
>   E16(x) ⊃ E13(x)
>  
> Properties:
> P39 measured (was measured by): E1 CRM Entity
> P40 observed dimension (was observed in): E54 Dimension
> 
> Best,
> 
> Martin
> -- 
> 
>