Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8
Hi There are many ways to number or put identifiers to parts of written or printed material:folio, sheet (versio/recto), page. If the physical original is known, perhaps a starting point would be to model the physical parts and their relationships. The pdfs in question seems to be facsimiles of these physical parts. (a single page, double pages etc). A possible way to model them is to see the pdfs as carriers of visual items reperesenting the physical objects of the specific item (P5). The first example in the compenote of P138 represents (has representation): the digital file found at http://www.emunch.no/N/full/No-MM_N0001-01.jpg (E36) represents page 1 of Edward Munch's manuscript MM N 1, Munch-museet (E73) mode of representation Digitisation(E55) Best Christian-Emil From: Crm-sig on behalf of Dominic Oldman Sent: 09 March 2017 17:59 To: Florian Kräutli; crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8 Hi Florian, Just trying to understand. You have an expression that is organised with page numbers. This is reproduced in the PDF. The expression page numbers are the same (the information object) but page 1 is spread over two carrier pages. i.e. page 1 is still page 1 as an information object but on the application adobe spreads it over two application carrier pages. Is that right? or is it something else. If the expression is the same (the same information object) then isn't page 1, page 1 Can you clarify. D From: Crm-sig [crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr] on behalf of Florian Kräutli [fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de] Sent: 09 March 2017 10:38 To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8 Dear Martin, many thanks for your input! Our question at the moment is simply, does a page in the PDF represent one or two pages of the book? Later on, we might have more specific questions that will require us to define the relationships between these two page identifiers (in the physical book and in the PDF) more explicitly. We would then also need to manually assess each PDF as, for instance, we can not assume that page n in a book corresponds to page n/2 in a double-spread PDF. A PDF might contain some additional pages with information about the digitisation process. For now we however only need a binary answer: double-spread yes or no. All the best, Florian > On 8 Mar 2017, at 11:00, crm-sig-requ...@ics.forth.gr wrote: > > Send Crm-sig mailing list submissions to > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > crm-sig-requ...@ics.forth.gr > > You can reach the person managing the list at > crm-sig-ow...@ics.forth.gr > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Crm-sig digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pages reproduced as spreads (martin) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:24:17 +0200 > From: martin > To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Pages reproduced as spreads > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dear Florian, > > There is no model without a question. Pages of books constitute a > partitioning of an > information object. Each page number can be seen as an identifier. > Paragraphs belong to an alternative partitioning system. The > reproduction has its own particioning, the scanned double pages. > Each scanned image represents, actually also incorporates, the text of > two pages of the reproduced. > Between alternative partitionings, one can define includes/overlaps > relations. > > If this is elegant, depends on what queries or functions you'd like to > support. > > Best, > > martin > > On 7/3/2017 1:36 ??, Florian Kr?utli wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I have a collection of Books (F5) that have been reproduced (F33) as PDFs >> (E84). >> In some cases, books have been digitised as spreads i.e. one page in the PDF >> represents two pages in the book. >> >> Is there an elegant way to model this? >> >> Best, >> >> Florian >> ___ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> > > > -- > > -- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625| > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638| >| Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr | > | >Center for Cultural Informatics | >Information Systems Laboratory| > Insti
Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8
Hi Florian, Just trying to understand. You have an expression that is organised with page numbers. This is reproduced in the PDF. The expression page numbers are the same (the information object) but page 1 is spread over two carrier pages. i.e. page 1 is still page 1 as an information object but on the application adobe spreads it over two application carrier pages. Is that right? or is it something else. If the expression is the same (the same information object) then isn't page 1, page 1 Can you clarify. D From: Crm-sig [crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr] on behalf of Florian Kräutli [fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de] Sent: 09 March 2017 10:38 To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8 Dear Martin, many thanks for your input! Our question at the moment is simply, does a page in the PDF represent one or two pages of the book? Later on, we might have more specific questions that will require us to define the relationships between these two page identifiers (in the physical book and in the PDF) more explicitly. We would then also need to manually assess each PDF as, for instance, we can not assume that page n in a book corresponds to page n/2 in a double-spread PDF. A PDF might contain some additional pages with information about the digitisation process. For now we however only need a binary answer: double-spread yes or no. All the best, Florian > On 8 Mar 2017, at 11:00, crm-sig-requ...@ics.forth.gr wrote: > > Send Crm-sig mailing list submissions to > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > crm-sig-requ...@ics.forth.gr > > You can reach the person managing the list at > crm-sig-ow...@ics.forth.gr > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Crm-sig digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pages reproduced as spreads (martin) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:24:17 +0200 > From: martin > To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Pages reproduced as spreads > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dear Florian, > > There is no model without a question. Pages of books constitute a > partitioning of an > information object. Each page number can be seen as an identifier. > Paragraphs belong to an alternative partitioning system. The > reproduction has its own particioning, the scanned double pages. > Each scanned image represents, actually also incorporates, the text of > two pages of the reproduced. > Between alternative partitionings, one can define includes/overlaps > relations. > > If this is elegant, depends on what queries or functions you'd like to > support. > > Best, > > martin > > On 7/3/2017 1:36 ??, Florian Kr?utli wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I have a collection of Books (F5) that have been reproduced (F33) as PDFs >> (E84). >> In some cases, books have been digitised as spreads i.e. one page in the PDF >> represents two pages in the book. >> >> Is there an elegant way to model this? >> >> Best, >> >> Florian >> ___ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> > > > -- > > -- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625| > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638| >| Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr | > | >Center for Cultural Informatics | >Information Systems Laboratory| > Institute of Computer Science| >Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | >N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | > -- > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > -- > > End of Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8 > *** ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
[Crm-sig] Proposed Change
Dear All, We propose a new entity named Right Holding (see the attached ppt), which is in fact the event/state which is implied from the triangle structure Actor:possesses:Right:applies to: Legal Object: right held by:Actor. This new class has temporal properties (timespan of rights), something that was missing before. Think about this, Athina Kritsotaki RightProposal.pptx Description: MS-Powerpoint 2007 presentation
Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8
Dear Martin, many thanks for your input! Our question at the moment is simply, does a page in the PDF represent one or two pages of the book? Later on, we might have more specific questions that will require us to define the relationships between these two page identifiers (in the physical book and in the PDF) more explicitly. We would then also need to manually assess each PDF as, for instance, we can not assume that page n in a book corresponds to page n/2 in a double-spread PDF. A PDF might contain some additional pages with information about the digitisation process. For now we however only need a binary answer: double-spread yes or no. All the best, Florian > On 8 Mar 2017, at 11:00, crm-sig-requ...@ics.forth.gr wrote: > > Send Crm-sig mailing list submissions to > crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > crm-sig-requ...@ics.forth.gr > > You can reach the person managing the list at > crm-sig-ow...@ics.forth.gr > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Crm-sig digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pages reproduced as spreads (martin) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:24:17 +0200 > From: martin > To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Pages reproduced as spreads > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Dear Florian, > > There is no model without a question. Pages of books constitute a > partitioning of an > information object. Each page number can be seen as an identifier. > Paragraphs belong to an alternative partitioning system. The > reproduction has its own particioning, the scanned double pages. > Each scanned image represents, actually also incorporates, the text of > two pages of the reproduced. > Between alternative partitionings, one can define includes/overlaps > relations. > > If this is elegant, depends on what queries or functions you'd like to > support. > > Best, > > martin > > On 7/3/2017 1:36 ??, Florian Kr?utli wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I have a collection of Books (F5) that have been reproduced (F33) as PDFs >> (E84). >> In some cases, books have been digitised as spreads i.e. one page in the PDF >> represents two pages in the book. >> >> Is there an elegant way to model this? >> >> Best, >> >> Florian >> ___ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> > > > -- > > -- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625| > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638| >| Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr | > | >Center for Cultural Informatics | >Information Systems Laboratory| > Institute of Computer Science| >Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | >N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | > -- > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > -- > > End of Crm-sig Digest, Vol 122, Issue 8 > ***
