[Crm-sig] Call for e-vote: LRMoo class F27 and property R16

[Pat Riva via Crm-sig]

Hello all,

Following the discussion of 
F27
 during SIG 52 in February, further work on revised scope notes for F27 and R16 
was completed. It is presented here for an e-vote.


This vote is in 2 parts: a-F27; b-R16


Please vote Yes to accept the revised scope notes, or No to not accept them. If 
voting no, please explain. I will summarize the results to the list on March 20.


a) Revised scope note for class F2, renamed as Work Creation


This class comprises activities by which instances of F1 Work come into 
existence. An instance of F27 Work Creation can serve to document the period a 
work was coming into existence and the circumstances of it, when these are 
known.


An instance of F27 Work Creation marks the initial creation of an instance of 
F1 Work through expressions or other externalizations that are sufficiently 
elaborated so that the characteristic conceptual identity of the work could be 
recognised as existing.


In many cases this will coincide with the first known complete externalisation 
of an expression of the work. In other cases, the initial creation of an 
instance of F1 Work may be inferred from multiple, or later, expressions or 
other forms of evidence. For instance, commissioning of a work may explicitly 
be agreed on after the presentation of an already complete and detailed 
elaboration of the work that was not made public. Performances may be prior to 
written expressions, as in the case of Shakespeare’s works.


The work, as an intellectual construction, may evolve from its initial creation 
onwards, until the last known expression of it.


An instance of E39 Actor with which a work is associated through the chain of 
properties F1 Work. R16i was created by: F27 Work Creation. P14 carried out by: 
E39 Actor corresponds to the notion of the “creator” of the work.



-For comparison, the current scope note of F27


This class comprises beginnings of evolutions of works.


An instance of F27 Work Conception marks the initiation of the creation of an 
instance of F1 Work. The work, as an intellectual construction, evolves from 
this point on, until the last known expression of it. An instance of E39 Actor 
with which a work is associated through the chain of properties F1 Work. R16i 
was initiated by: F27 Work Conception. P14 carried out by: E39 Actor 
corresponds to the notion of the “creator” of the work. In the case of 
commissioned works, it is not the commissioning that is regarded as the work 
conception, but the acceptance of the commission.


This event does not always correlate with the date assigned in common library 
practice to the work, which is usually a later event (such as the date of 
completion of the first clean draft).


In addition, F27 Work Conception can serve to document the circumstances that 
surrounded the appearance of the original idea for a work, when these are known.



b) Revised scope note for property R16, renamed "created (was created by)"


-Revised scope note:

This property associates the initial creation of a work and the instance of F1 
Work that was created.



- Current scope note of R16


This property associates the first conception of a work and the instance of F1 
Work itself that ensued from a given initial idea.


It marks the origin of the causality chain that results in a work’s coming into 
existence.


Thanks, Pat


Pat Riva

Associate University Librarian, Collection Services

Concordia University

Vanier Library (VL-301-61)

7141 Sherbrooke Street West

Montreal, QC H4B 1R6

Canada

pat.r...@concordia.ca
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   1. Re: Call for e-vote  issue 517 (Hiebel, Gerald)
   2. Minutes of the 52nd CIDOC CRM & 45th FRBRoo meeting onthe
  site (Eleni Tsoulouha)
   3. Re: Call for e-vote issue 517 (?yvind Eide)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 07:19:46 +
From: "Hiebel, Gerald" 
To: Christian-Emil Smith Ore , crm-sig

Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote  issue 517
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YES

From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Christian-Emil Smith 
Ore via Crm-sig  Reply to: Christian-Emil Smith Ore 

Date: Thursday, 3. March 2022 at 20:24
To: crm-sig 
Subject: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote issue 517


Dear all,

As agreed in the 52nd meeting the background material and the suggested (small) 
changes  were made available for discussion and comments on the sig-list.  The 
dead line 1st March. It has not been much discussion and comments - in fact 
none. The issue should not be controversial. It is time for an e-vote over the  
the full definition text for the 32 properties with suggested changes (msword 
with track changes)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fS7XjApOYimwZnQbmedU3Gk9u3uejETe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true


Those in favour, vote yes. Those against vote no, and those who want the issue 
discussed at the next sig meeting can vote 'veto'

Kind regards,
Christian-Emil

From: Christian-Emil Smith Ore
Sent: 14 February 2022 09:47
To: crm-sig
Subject: issue 517 comments, discussion until end of February


Dear all,

The issue 517 with the somewhat misleading title "Does the axiom of 
non-reflexivity follow from the definition of transitivity?" boils down to 
checking transitivity, symmetry and reflexivity of the 32 properties in CRMbase 
with identical domain and range. In the meeting last week (52nd) we decided 
that the SIG should have the possibility to study and discuss the suggested 
changes until the end of February. On the bais of the discussion and comments, 
a proposal for changes will be sent out on an e-vote.



The full definition text for the 32 properties with suggested changes (msword 
with track changes)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fS7XjApOYimwZnQbmedU3Gk9u3uejETe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true

Overview:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xzxk1izWTLSTMs5JZuum77PiF73reNJDQxGyENzZeBQ/edit?usp=sharing

MD & CEO comments and discussion:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11E1PPNij7R8MueZLEGjB5a4RM6dolG-K/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true



Best,

Christian-Emil


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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:29:26 +0200
From: Eleni Tsoulouha 
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
Subject: [Crm-sig] Minutes of the 52nd CIDOC CRM & 45th FRBRoo meeting
on  the site
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Dear all,

You can find the minutes of the meeting in February on the site (link 
<https://cidoc-crm.org/Meeting/52nd-cidoc-crm-and-45th-frbr-crm>).


Best,

Eleni
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 17:18:16 +0100
From: ?yvind Eide 
To: "crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" 
Subject:

Re: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote issue 517

[Øyvind Eide via Crm-sig]

YES

Øyvind

> Am 03.03.2022 um 20:50 schrieb Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig 
> :
> 
> Corrected, my typo. 
> Best,
> Christian-Emil
> 
> 
> From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Martin Doerr via 
> Crm-sig 
> Sent: 03 March 2022 20:38
> To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
> Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote issue 517
>  
> Dear Christian-Emil,
> 
> I corrected an error: P173 is "not transitive". Then I vote YES.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 3/3/2022 9:13 PM, Christian-Emil Smith Ore via Crm-sig wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> As agreed in the 52nd meeting the background material and the suggested 
>> (small) changes  were made available for discussion and comments on the 
>> sig-list.  The dead line 1st March. It has not been much discussion and 
>> comments - in fact none. The issue should not be controversial. It is time 
>> for an e-vote over the  the full definition text for the 32 properties with 
>> suggested changes (msword with track changes)
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fS7XjApOYimwZnQbmedU3Gk9u3uejETe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Those in favour, vote yes. Those against vote no, and those who want the 
>> issue discussed at the next sig meeting can vote 'veto'
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Christian-Emil
>> 
>> From: Christian-Emil Smith Ore
>> Sent: 14 February 2022 09:47
>> To: crm-sig
>> Subject: issue 517 comments, discussion until end of February
>>  
>> Dear all,
>> The issue 517 with the somewhat misleading title "Does the axiom of 
>> non-reflexivity follow from the definition of transitivity?" boils down to 
>> checking transitivity, symmetry and reflexivity of the 32 properties in 
>> CRMbase with identical domain and range. In the meeting last week (52nd) we 
>> decided that the SIG should have the possibility to study and discuss the 
>> suggested changes until the end of February. On the bais of the discussion 
>> and comments, a proposal for changes will be sent out on an e-vote.
>> 
>> The full definition text for the 32 properties with suggested changes 
>> (msword with track changes)
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fS7XjApOYimwZnQbmedU3Gk9u3uejETe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true
>>  
>> 
>> Overview:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xzxk1izWTLSTMs5JZuum77PiF73reNJDQxGyENzZeBQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>  
>> 
>> MD & CEO comments and discussion:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11E1PPNij7R8MueZLEGjB5a4RM6dolG-K/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Christian-Emil
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Crm-sig] Minutes of the 52nd CIDOC CRM & 45th FRBRoo meeting on the site

[Eleni Tsoulouha via Crm-sig]

Dear all,

You can find the minutes of the meeting in February on the site (link 
).



Best,

Eleni
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