Re: [Crm-sig] Proposal/though: Add URLs to official documentation

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

Many thanks for everyone who gave me detailed comments.

Sure, all concepts are well documented, I only tried to find correct term in 
Russian.
Because shortcut from IT is not the same word in linguistics.
If we mean predicative relationship or link, we need to find another term 
because in previous version 4.x it was missed.

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Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Groups and carried out by

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

For the moment - only thoughts:
for example CRM-translation group.
Many nationalities, no real office, changing team, perodically pemanent 
activity, virtual result.


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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 527 Modelling Provenance of Intangible Heritage

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Any system should have common basis.
Intangible heritage has one source - human activity, and appears as a result of 
it (reflections: myths, legends, oral heritage...) or in process (dances and 
songs, food). If you have doubts, look the Shumerian tablets. All is already 
described there.


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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 274: archetypical sounds

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

Dear colleagues,


the examples of cataloguing the audiovisual information exist, and an expert 
gave it me:
 
http://www.dapx.org/showservices.asp?ID=1003&fbclid=IwAR1MoBC2u07qVOGw5X3z2nZRjiu64SYAWDt6PQx-qlG8bRmmqkpPlo2srkE
Details: Chinese standard includes 25 positions of metadata (code of archive, 
its category, level of invenorisation, unique identifier, file numver, name of 
the scan creator, date of digital copying, date of the next 
conversion/migration, permission, notes, address of real location, original 
носитель, mode of digital copying, copying device, software and OS, name of 
file, size of file, format, video parameters, audio paremeters etc.)


Something similar was  proposed for the Russian archives.


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Re: [Crm-sig] HW 496 - Recommending Types

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

Dear all,
please pay attention that access to LinkedIn is closed in some countries, me is 
from one of them. Sorry.



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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 498, disjoint places

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

Dear colleagues,


I have only an example with a "capital". This point can change location and 
even the area is able to replace. Sometimes it is not the same place as it was 
some centuries ago. For example, old settlement of Helsinki (or Helsingfors) 
located in the area of the modern airport, not on the coast. The same story 
with Upsala in Sweden. Finally, the capitals transfered in modern time: 
Moscow-St Petersburg-Moscow.


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Re: [Crm-sig] New project, question for input

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Dear friends, 
we already announced the event but maybe not everybody heard, I am so sorry 
http://conf.sfu-kras.ru/en/virtualarchaeology
Online+offline, free

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Re: [Crm-sig] New project, question for input

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

There are academic institutions in Siant Peterburg (Russia) in contact with 
Mongolian collegues realizing grants projects in arcives. 
Hope they will be glad to participate. What do you mean ander 3-4 countries if 
Russian Federation and Mongolia - only 2? 

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Re: [Crm-sig] CRM translation working group

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig]

Count me in as well for Russian version.


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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 511

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

It's always comparison with something, we fix difference.





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Re: [Crm-sig] CALL FOR VOTE: NEW MEMBER

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

YES

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Re: [Crm-sig] Issue Visual Item 3D

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Dear All,
the virtual archaeologists use term texture to describe surface of the 3D model.

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Re: [Crm-sig] E-Vote ( Issue 508 ): First Order Logic Representation of p170

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

YES

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Re: [Crm-sig] [CRMarchaeo] E-vote for the label of A1 Excavation Process Unit

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

YES


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Re: [Crm-sig] Question: How to model a 'file'

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Dear friends,


I am not sure for clear understanding the model of "Activity", please check it 
if the situation is repeatble (reality): 

step 1 - modeling
step 2 - decision
step 3 - return to the step 1 (re-modeling, improvements or renovation)
The same thing exiats in digital world as in reality and even fixed in State 
standrds (in Russia).

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Re: [Crm-sig] Membership PLEASE VOTE

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

YES


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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: Scope note of E37 Mark

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Dear colleagues,
any sighes having meaning are Linguistic Objects, not only alphabetical but 
Egyptian too, cuneiform and even knots.

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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: Scope note of E37 Mark

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Brixhe, C. 2012. Timbres amphoriques de Pamphylie. Alexandria.
or
Tzochev, C. 2016. Agora XXXVII. Amphora Stamps from Thasos. Princeton.

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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: Scope note of E37 Mark

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Dear all,
about signes or symbols.
I have good example but for the moment difficult to propose some book in 
English. I continue to search.

http://www.kroraina.com/alan/olhovskij.html#4
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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE P114-P120 VOTE

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Yes

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Re: [Crm-sig] Siegfried Krause

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Sad news, no doubt. The only one positive moment that our affairs and the 
results of communication leaving good memories that turns to be a continuation 
of real life. 

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Re: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: Compatibility with CRM

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

YES

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Re: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: about the introductory text for the “Use and Learn” section of the CRM site

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Simply  "method", even well elaborated looses the aim, applicability.


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Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Re-label E22, E25, E71 to remove "Man-"

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Yes


С уважением,

старший научный сотрудник
отдела археологии Восточной Европы и Сибири
Государственного Эрмитажа,
канд.филол.наук,
член НК ИКОМОС

Д.Ю.Гук


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Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Re-label E22, E25, E71 to remove "Man-"

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Cultural tragedy, lost World Heritage
https://gigarama.ru/notredame/?fbclid=IwAR3S0G--Br9Zv37lCTKgKVl7CDSwLmFdf6ejdFDXJH8YkigeN4TSa9aTEIk


Anyway, I propose Hand-Made. 


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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE E34 PLEASE VOTE

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

yes

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Re: [Crm-sig] **NEW ISSUE** Ordinal Property for E55 Type

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Average->Good: next step of charachteristics in direction of increasing



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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: representing compound name strings

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Dear colleagues,
you completely forgot Russian names, where middle names does not exist, but 
middle part reffer to father's name,
hus mine is Daria Yurievna (father Yuri) Hookk.

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Re: [Crm-sig] New Member PLEASE VOTE

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

No.


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Re: [Crm-sig] Multiple inheritance

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Dear all,
generalising examples we get the same situation with E53 Place and E45 Address 
like we have now with IP-addresses and VPN.
Real place with Internet-access can be somewhere on globe (GPS) and others 
recieve coded numbers (Singapore, Any Islands...), which are various in 
different time period.
Taking in account we work with digital heritage too, better to find common 
decision in both cases, real and virtual.


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Re: [Crm-sig] HW S11

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Maybe I am not right, but a state of conservation is under discussion. "Vasari" 
before of after restoration. Is it the same identity? Same Vasari, artefact 
could change form but we tell about it "the same item". 


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- Original Message -
From: Martin Doerr [mailto:mar...@ics.forth.gr]
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:05:02 +0400
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] HW S11


> Dear All,
> 
> By the way, an interesting aspect of samples is that they can be split 
> without loosing their identity. Obviously, there is
> some complexity in the object-ness of the sample versus its substance. 
> Tracing split samples is a practical issue in labs.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best,
> 
> martin
> 
> On 4/10/2018 1:16 PM, Martin Doerr wrote:
> > Dear Martijn,
> >
> > A better formulation is always welcome!
> >
> > Logically, it is correct: "no stability of form is required" does NOT 
> > exclude stability of form. I give explicitly the example "the sequence 
> > of layers of a bore core". The point is, that we take a sample for a 
> > particular feature it will be a witness for. The identity of the 
> > sample and its duration of existence as a sample depends on the kind 
> > of feature that needs to be preserved, be it a stratigraphy, a 
> > chemical composition or whatever. Consequently, it can be diminished 
> > quite substanstially without loosing this identity, whereas other 
> > impacts may not change its discreteness as a stable piece of matter, 
> > but destroy the relevant composition.
> >
> > Proposals welcome.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 4/9/2018 11:15 PM, P.M. van Leusen wrote:
> >> "no stability of form is required" would exclude some types of 
> >> samples, e.g. kubiena tin samples taken for microstratigraphy, 
> >> palynology, or paleomagnetism. I would advise excising this phrase.
> >> Martijn
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 21:19 Martin Doerr  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Here my proposal for a better scope note:
> >>
> >>
> >>   S11 Amount of Matter[1]
> >>
> >> Subclass of: S10
> >> <#m_2886038186972212311__S10_Material_Substantial> Material
> >> Substantial
> >>
> >> Superclass of:S12 <#m_2886038186972212311__S12_Amount_of> Amount
> >> of Fluid
> >>
> >> S13 <#m_2886038186972212311__S13_Sample> Sample
> >>
> >> Scope note:This class comprises fixed amounts of matter specified
> >> as some air, some water, some soil, etc., defined by the total
> >> and integrity of their material content. In order to be able to
> >> identify and recognize in practice one instance of S11 Amount of
> >> Matter, some sort of confinement is needed that serves as a
> >> constraint for the enclosed matter and the integrity of the
> >> content, such as a bottle. In contrast to instances of E18
> >> Physical Thing, no stability of form is required. The content may
> >> be put into another bottle without loosing its identity.
> >> Subclasses may define very different identity conditions for the
> >> integrity of the content, such as chemical composition, or the
> >> sequence of layers of a bore core. Whereas an instance of E18
> >> Physical Thing may gradually change form and chemical composition
> >> preserving its identity, such as living beings, an instance of
> >> S11 Amount of Matter may loose its identifying features by such
> >> processes. What matters for the identity of an instance of S1
> >> Amount of Matter is the preservation of a relevant composition
> >> from the initial state of definition on.
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>
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> >> --
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Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE 295 homework

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

QR-code is very phisical (on surface) and absolutely digital, because presents 
0 & 1.


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Re: [Crm-sig] P62 Homework

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

Sorry, some ideas may useful or not.
"Depicts" must be permanent feature without electricity or other support, so 
paintins depicts, display depicts painting.
DNA by plastic balls - a model of an object like a copy of a cathedral.
File. In Russian it is also plastic bag for documents, but only in office 
context (please, give me one file to put the paper). Originally, of course, a 
set of bytes.

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Re: [Crm-sig] P62 Homework

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

hello,
I know that we have metadata about original image inside of a file with the 
prtrait. So, they mark which copy is original.
If I change size or other changes - metadata will be desroyed. Thus, image made 
by my Nikon S1 or by iphone -original - all others - copies, because they are a 
result of my activity titled copying.

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the dept. of archaeology of
Eastern Europe and Siberia of 
the State Hermitage Museum,
ADIT board

Re: [Crm-sig] Homework, Purchase

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

For example,
purshase can be during expedition (ethnography), there are money but way of 
acquisition - from expedition. And document of relations - between expedition 
and museum while monetary exchage was provided by mediator.

With kind regards,
Daria Hookk

Senior Researcher of
the dept. of archaeology of
Eastern Europe and Siberia of 
the State Hermitage Museum,
ADIT board

Re: [Crm-sig] Homework, Purchase

[Дарья Юрьевна Гук]

In museum practice always the way of acquisition (gift, purshase, excavatioh of 
an expedition...) is mentioned in contract and also, later in computer systems, 
because these data are collected by Russian Ministery of Culture for annual 
statistic report.


With kind regards,
Daria Hookk

Senior Researcher of
the dept. of archaeology of
Eastern Europe and Siberia of 
the State Hermitage Museum,
ADIT board