Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 182, Issue 9

[Stefan Gradmann via Crm-sig]

YES! Stefab Gradman


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Call for e-vote  issue 517 (Hiebel, Gerald)
   2. Minutes of the 52nd CIDOC CRM & 45th FRBRoo meeting onthe
  site (Eleni Tsoulouha)
   3. Re: Call for e-vote issue 517 (?yvind Eide)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 07:19:46 +
From: "Hiebel, Gerald" 
To: Christian-Emil Smith Ore , crm-sig

Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote  issue 517
Message-ID: <8d44e1ed-d1ab-4bef-a8d0-2e00557cb...@uibk.ac.at>
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YES

From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Christian-Emil Smith 
Ore via Crm-sig  Reply to: Christian-Emil Smith Ore 

Date: Thursday, 3. March 2022 at 20:24
To: crm-sig 
Subject: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote issue 517


Dear all,

As agreed in the 52nd meeting the background material and the suggested (small) 
changes  were made available for discussion and comments on the sig-list.  The 
dead line 1st March. It has not been much discussion and comments - in fact 
none. The issue should not be controversial. It is time for an e-vote over the  
the full definition text for the 32 properties with suggested changes (msword 
with track changes)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fS7XjApOYimwZnQbmedU3Gk9u3uejETe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true


Those in favour, vote yes. Those against vote no, and those who want the issue 
discussed at the next sig meeting can vote 'veto'

Kind regards,
Christian-Emil

From: Christian-Emil Smith Ore
Sent: 14 February 2022 09:47
To: crm-sig
Subject: issue 517 comments, discussion until end of February


Dear all,

The issue 517 with the somewhat misleading title "Does the axiom of 
non-reflexivity follow from the definition of transitivity?" boils down to 
checking transitivity, symmetry and reflexivity of the 32 properties in CRMbase 
with identical domain and range. In the meeting last week (52nd) we decided 
that the SIG should have the possibility to study and discuss the suggested 
changes until the end of February. On the bais of the discussion and comments, 
a proposal for changes will be sent out on an e-vote.



The full definition text for the 32 properties with suggested changes (msword 
with track changes)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fS7XjApOYimwZnQbmedU3Gk9u3uejETe/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true

Overview:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xzxk1izWTLSTMs5JZuum77PiF73reNJDQxGyENzZeBQ/edit?usp=sharing

MD & CEO comments and discussion:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11E1PPNij7R8MueZLEGjB5a4RM6dolG-K/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102982314589061437159&rtpof=true&sd=true



Best,

Christian-Emil


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:29:26 +0200
From: Eleni Tsoulouha 
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
Subject: [Crm-sig] Minutes of the 52nd CIDOC CRM & 45th FRBRoo meeting
on  the site
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Dear all,

You can find the minutes of the meeting in February on the site (link 
).


Best,

Eleni
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 17:18:16 +0100
From: ?yvind Eide 
To: "crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" 
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Call for e-vote issue 517
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YES

?yvind

> Am 03.03.2022 um 20:50 schrieb Christian-Emil Smith Ore vi

Re: [Crm-sig] Crm-sig Digest, Vol 178, Issue 12

[Stefan Gradmann via Crm-sig]

YES (Stefan Gradmann)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: PLEASE VOTE: New Member. (Athanasios Velios)
   2. Re: PLEASE VOTE: New Member. (Patricia Riva)
   3. Re: PLEASE VOTE: New Member. (Marco Neumann)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 18:27:44 +
From: Athanasios Velios 
To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: New Member.
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YES

On 27/11/2021 20:21, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> It is a great pleasure and honor for us to announce that the Palace 
> Museum in Beijing applies for CRM-SIG membership.
> 
> I have received the following request from the Museum:
> 
> "The Palace Museum would like to apply for the CRM-SIG membership. Ye 
> Yipei, who is now already attending the CRM-SIG meetings informally, 
> would be the Museum's representative. She is now also formally a CIDOC 
> member. We would be honored to have the opportunity to learn from and 
> work with the experts and colleagues from the CRM-SIG".
> 
> PLEASE VOTE? "YES" if you support the new member,
> 
> no, if not,
> 
> by Dec. 10, 2021.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Martin
> 


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 19:51:07 +
From: Patricia Riva 
To: crm-sig 
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: New Member.
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Yes!


Pat Riva

Associate University Librarian, Collection Services

Concordia University

Vanier Library (VL-301-61)

7141 Sherbrooke Street West

Montreal, QC H4B 1R6

Canada

pat.r...@concordia.ca


From: Crm-sig  on behalf of Martin Doerr via 
Crm-sig 
Sent: November 27, 2021 3:21 PM
To: crm-sig 
Subject: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: New Member.

Attention This email originates from outside the concordia.ca domain. // Ce 
courriel provient de l'exterieur du domaine de concordia.ca Dear All,

It is a great pleasure and honor for us to announce that the Palace Museum in 
Beijing applies for CRM-SIG membership.

I have received the following request from the Museum:

"The Palace Museum would like to apply for the CRM-SIG membership. Ye Yipei, 
who is now already attending the CRM-SIG meetings informally, would be the 
Museum's representative. She is now also formally a CIDOC member. We would be 
honored to have the opportunity to learn from and work with the experts and 
colleagues from the CRM-SIG".

PLEASE VOTE  "YES" if you support the new member,

no, if not,

by Dec. 10, 2021.

All the best,

Martin

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  Center for Cultural Informatics

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  GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 20:01:35 +
From: Marco Neumann 
To: Martin Doerr 
Cc: crm-sig 
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: New Member.
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Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote

[Stefan Gradmann via Crm-sig]

Yes! -- Stefan Gradmann

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: 511 e-vote (Weiss Christian SNM)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:23:41 +
From: Weiss Christian SNM 
To: crm-sig 
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote
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Yes!

Christian

Von: Crm-sig  Im Auftrag von Christian-Emil Smith 
Ore via Crm-sig
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. M?rz 2021 12:29
An: crm-sig 
Betreff: Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote


?Yes

Chr-Emil Ore


From: Crm-sig 
mailto:crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr>> on behalf 
of Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig 
mailto:crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>>
Sent: 19 March 2021 11:37
To: crm-sig
Subject: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote


Dear all,

At the last session of the last CRM SIG meeting we discussed issue 511 and 
voted to accept the reduction of the range of property P39 measured from E1 CRM 
Entity to E18 Physical Thing. Homework was assigned to check how scope notes 
and related properties are affected, recommend changes and call an e-vote for 
those. I am listing the required changes below. With regards to those changes, 
the possible votes are:

  *   Yes = accept/agree
  *   No = do not accept/agree
  *   Other = With other you can either introduce a caveat (e.g.: 'Yes, but 
there is a typo on word x, fix it.') or you can write VETO, if you wish to stop 
the proposed change from happening, in which case you should also write a 
justification and reformulate the issue (e.g.: 'VETO, this change is 
unacceptable because it violates the following principle...')



1. E16 Measurement



Changed to clarify that E16 Measurement requires observation, including an 
update to an example and the removal of two examples.

From:

Subclass of:

E13 Attribute Assignment

Scope note:

This class comprises actions measuring quantitative physical properties and 
other values that can be determined by a systematic, objective procedure of 
direct observation of particular states of physical reality. Properties of 
instances of E90 Symbolic Object may be measured by observing some of their 
representative carriers which may or may not be named explicitly. In the case 
that the carrier can be named, the property P16 used specific object (was used 
for): should be used to indicate the instance(s) of E18 Physical Thing that was 
used as the empirical basis for the measurement activity.

Examples include measuring the nominal monetary value of a collection of coins 
or the running time of a movie on a specific video cassette.

The E16 Measurement may use simple counting or tools, such as yardsticks or 
radiation detection devices. The interest is in the method and care applied, so 
that the reliability of the result may be judged at a later stage, or research 
continued on the associated documents. The date of the event is important for 
dimensions, which may change value over time, such as the length of an object 
subject to shrinkage. Methods and devices employed should be associated with 
instances of E16 Measurement by properties such as P33 used specific technique: 
E29 Design or Procedure, P125 used object of type: E55 Type, P16 used specific 
object (was used for): E70 Thing, whereas basic techniques such as "carbon 14 
dating" should be encoded using P2 has type (is type of): E55 Type. Details of 
methods and devices reused or reusable in other instances of E16 Measurement 
should be documented for these entities rather than the measurements 
themselves, whereas details of particular execution may be !
 documented by free text or by instantiating adequate sub-activities, if the 
detail may be of interest for an overarching query.

Regardless whether a measurement is made by an instrument or by human senses, 
it represents the initial transition from physical reality to information 
without any other documented information object in between within the reasoning 
chain that would represent the result of the interaction of the observer or 
device with reality. Therefore, inferring properties of depicted items using 
image material, such as satellite images, is not regarded as an instance of E16 
Measurement, but as a subsequent instance of E13 Attribute Assignment. Rather, 
only the produ