Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
Lovely, everyone is in agreement ☺ Thanks all, Rob From: Crm-sig on behalf of Martin Doerr Date: Monday, June 24, 2019 at 9:37 AM To: "crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? Dear All, I think O9 subproperty of P177 makes sense. The one is more general, and is about the statement made, the other is that an actual observation happened, so it is verified in a sense, and limited to observable properties, whatever they are. Best, Martin On 6/21/2019 8:52 PM, Athanasios Velios wrote: I think "O9 observed property type" could be defined as a sub-property of "P177 assigned property type". I do not think it should be removed, it may be useful for searching. Also, I have noticed that in version 6.2.6, under "P2 has type", the "P177 assigned property type" is not listed as a sub-property and it should. Thanasis On 21/06/2019 18:05, Robert Sanderson wrote: Apologies for the confusion! I mean P177 assigned property type, not P171! (I was working from memory, given that the numbers were reused … to cross the threads) Rob *From: *Robert Sanderson mailto:rsander...@getty.edu>> *Date: *Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM *To: *"crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>" mailto:crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>> *Subject: *[Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? Dear all, In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 obviate the need for O9? Thanks! Rob ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the relevant group company). Where the sender's signature indicates that the email is sent on behalf of UAL Short Courses Limited the following also applies: UAL Short Courses Limited is a company registered in England and Wales under company number 02361261. Registered Office: University of the Arts London, 272 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EY ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece Vox:+30(2810)391625 Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr<mailto:mar...@ics.forth.gr> Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
Dear All, I think O9 subproperty of P177 makes sense. The one is more general, and is about the statement made, the other is that an actual observation happened, so it is verified in a sense, and limited to observable properties, whatever they are. Best, Martin On 6/21/2019 8:52 PM, Athanasios Velios wrote: I think "O9 observed property type" could be defined as a sub-property of "P177 assigned property type". I do not think it should be removed, it may be useful for searching. Also, I have noticed that in version 6.2.6, under "P2 has type", the "P177 assigned property type" is not listed as a sub-property and it should. Thanasis On 21/06/2019 18:05, Robert Sanderson wrote: Apologies for the confusion! I mean P177 assigned property type, not P171! (I was working from memory, given that the numbers were reused … to cross the threads) Rob *From: *Robert Sanderson *Date: *Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM *To: *"crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" *Subject: *[Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? Dear all, In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 obviate the need for O9? Thanks! Rob ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the relevant group company). Where the sender's signature indicates that the email is sent on behalf of UAL Short Courses Limited the following also applies: UAL Short Courses Limited is a company registered in England and Wales under company number 02361261. Registered Office: University of the Arts London, 272 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EY ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece Vox:+30(2810)391625 Email: mar...@ics.forth.gr Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl
Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
I agree, it is a different property: 09 is used to specify the types of the observed properties (for which we have observed values). Additionally it is an important property because it implies that by having the observation set of properties 09, 016, .. (type, entity and values) described, it can represent a reification construct (set of propositions described) or point to namedGraph, see the attached BRs, Athina Kritsotaki Στις 2019-06-21 22:28, Christian-Emil Smith Ore έγραψε: P177 is different from O9 in the sense that one can assign anything, but O7 is about observations. So the intensions are different. Chr-Emil From: Crm-sig on behalf of Athanasios Velios Sent: 21 June 2019 19:52 To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? I think "O9 observed property type" could be defined as a sub-property of "P177 assigned property type". I do not think it should be removed, it may be useful for searching. Also, I have noticed that in version 6.2.6, under "P2 has type", the "P177 assigned property type" is not listed as a sub-property and it should. Thanasis On 21/06/2019 18:05, Robert Sanderson wrote: Apologies for the confusion! I mean P177 assigned property type, not P171! (I was working from memory, given that the numbers were reused … to cross the threads) Rob *From: *Robert Sanderson *Date: *Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM *To: *"crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" *Subject: *[Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? Dear all, In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 obviate the need for O9? Thanks! Rob ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the relevant group company). Where the sender's signature indicates that the email is sent on behalf of UAL Short Courses Limited the following also applies: UAL Short Courses Limited is a company registered in England and Wales under company number 02361261. Registered Office: University of the Arts London, 272 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EY ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig argumentationTheory1.ppt Description: MS-Powerpoint presentation
Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
P177 is different from O9 in the sense that one can assign anything, but O7 is about observations. So the intensions are different. Chr-Emil From: Crm-sig on behalf of Athanasios Velios Sent: 21 June 2019 19:52 To: crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? I think "O9 observed property type" could be defined as a sub-property of "P177 assigned property type". I do not think it should be removed, it may be useful for searching. Also, I have noticed that in version 6.2.6, under "P2 has type", the "P177 assigned property type" is not listed as a sub-property and it should. Thanasis On 21/06/2019 18:05, Robert Sanderson wrote: > Apologies for the confusion! > > I mean P177 assigned property type, not P171! > > (I was working from memory, given that the numbers were reused … to > cross the threads) > > Rob > > *From: *Robert Sanderson > *Date: *Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM > *To: *"crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" > *Subject: *[Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? > > Dear all, > > In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe > [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a > subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property > type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity > and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 > obviate the need for O9? > > Thanks! > > Rob > > > ___ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the relevant group company). Where the sender's signature indicates that the email is sent on behalf of UAL Short Courses Limited the following also applies: UAL Short Courses Limited is a company registered in England and Wales under company number 02361261. Registered Office: University of the Arts London, 272 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EY ___ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
I think "O9 observed property type" could be defined as a sub-property of "P177 assigned property type". I do not think it should be removed, it may be useful for searching. Also, I have noticed that in version 6.2.6, under "P2 has type", the "P177 assigned property type" is not listed as a sub-property and it should. Thanasis On 21/06/2019 18:05, Robert Sanderson wrote: > Apologies for the confusion! > > I mean P177 assigned property type, not P171! > > (I was working from memory, given that the numbers were reused … to > cross the threads) > > Rob > > *From: *Robert Sanderson > *Date: *Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM > *To: *"crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" > *Subject: *[Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? > > Dear all, > > In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe > [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a > subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property > type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity > and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 > obviate the need for O9? > > Thanks! > > Rob > > > ___ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the relevant group company). Where the sender's signature indicates that the email is sent on behalf of UAL Short Courses Limited the following also applies: UAL Short Courses Limited is a company registered in England and Wales under company number 02361261. Registered Office: University of the Arts London, 272 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EY
Re: [Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
Apologies for the confusion! I mean P177 assigned property type, not P171! (I was working from memory, given that the numbers were reused … to cross the threads) Rob From: Robert Sanderson Date: Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:53 AM To: "crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" Subject: [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical? Dear all, In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 obviate the need for O9? Thanks! Rob
[Crm-sig] [Sci] Are O9 and P171 identical?
Dear all, In working on a model for our conservation science folks, I observe [intended] that O9 and the new P171 both fill the same role – a subproperty of P2_has_type that goes from the activity to a property type, such that the explicit relationship between the observed entity and the measurement can be recorded. Does the introduction of P171 obviate the need for O9? Thanks! Rob
