Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [epp-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov 
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:25 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:00 AM Ed Willink  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> ASM, Guice and Guava can be accommodated by losing the upper version
>> bound; they appear to have good compatibility for at least my trivial
>> usages. The explicit upper bound is honest in that it indicates not-tested,
>> but a blocker for anyone who wants to try and test it.
>>
>> The real killers for project relengs are the platform's gratuitous
>> removal of IPlatformRunnable, movement to Java 11 BREE coupled with Tycho
>> evolution.
>>
> Exactly, thanks again for proving my point - Java 9 imposed one set of
> changes, Java 11 additional, Java 14 additional, Java 16 additional and
> even more expected with Java 17. With literally 3 people looking at Tycho
> issues with priority being after Eclipse Platform, WildWebDeveloper, M2E,
> Corrosion, Linux Tools and so on and on it's an achievement that Tycho is
> working on so big a number of environments/jvms.
> I want to be perfectly clear about expectations if Tycho is left with
> current manpower - latest Java and latest LTS Java. I know this has
> implications on everyone but my time is as scarce as everyone else's and
> just like everyone else I have to do what I'm paid for - release Eclipse
> platform that supports latest Java and latest LTS Java. And tycho is just a
> means to achieve that!
> I would very much welcome others joining on daily tasks so we share the
> burden and wider compatibility is preserved. I'm willing to transfer
> whatever extra power one thinks I have on any such decision and let that
> person show us (and teach me!) how to achieve better results in current
> circumstances!
>

I forgot to add that transfer of power goes hand in hand with transfer of
duties.


>
> troublesome are the almost six monthly breakages of the EF IT
>> infrastructure as service is 'improved'.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ed Willink
>>
>>
>> On 26/03/2021 07:24, Christian Dietrich wrote:
>>
>> yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another
>> "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and releases
>> with the 3 weeks pressure.
>> Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement,
>> only for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's build
>> working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly unlikely
>> to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort involved will *not
>> *be born only by me personally (and by the helpful-but-overburdened
>> Foundation Staff):
>>
>>   https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1
>>
>> I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken
>> without further delay.
>>
>>
>> Christian,
>>
>> One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to
>> leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to
>> 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action.   There is
>> no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right?
>> Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the Platform,
>> and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with your most
>> recently release, right?
>>
>> Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train
>> is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects.  Once we
>> drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the
>> participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning with
>> the upcoming 2021-06 release
>> https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release
>> 
>> .
>>
>>
>> As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over
>> the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also
>> affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, Xcore,
>> Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. (and maybe
>> others)
>>
>> Please feel free to join the discussion at
>> https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961
>> 
>> 
>>
>> KInd Regards, Christian
>>
>> Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle,
>> Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
>> Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald
>> Goertz, Stephan Grollmann
>> Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 Lünen
>> (Germany)
>> Registergericht/Registry Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund | HRB 20621
>>
>

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [epp-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov 
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:00 AM Ed Willink  wrote:

> Hi
>
> ASM, Guice and Guava can be accommodated by losing the upper version
> bound; they appear to have good compatibility for at least my trivial
> usages. The explicit upper bound is honest in that it indicates not-tested,
> but a blocker for anyone who wants to try and test it.
>
> The real killers for project relengs are the platform's gratuitous removal
> of IPlatformRunnable, movement to Java 11 BREE coupled with Tycho
> evolution.
>
Exactly, thanks again for proving my point - Java 9 imposed one set of
changes, Java 11 additional, Java 14 additional, Java 16 additional and
even more expected with Java 17. With literally 3 people looking at Tycho
issues with priority being after Eclipse Platform, WildWebDeveloper, M2E,
Corrosion, Linux Tools and so on and on it's an achievement that Tycho is
working on so big a number of environments/jvms.
I want to be perfectly clear about expectations if Tycho is left with
current manpower - latest Java and latest LTS Java. I know this has
implications on everyone but my time is as scarce as everyone else's and
just like everyone else I have to do what I'm paid for - release Eclipse
platform that supports latest Java and latest LTS Java. And tycho is just a
means to achieve that!
I would very much welcome others joining on daily tasks so we share the
burden and wider compatibility is preserved. I'm willing to transfer
whatever extra power one thinks I have on any such decision and let that
person show us (and teach me!) how to achieve better results in current
circumstances!

troublesome are the almost six monthly breakages of the EF IT
> infrastructure as service is 'improved'.
>
> Regards
>
> Ed Willink
>
>
> On 26/03/2021 07:24, Christian Dietrich wrote:
>
> yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another
> "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and releases
> with the 3 weeks pressure.
> Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:
>
> All,
>
> I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, only
> for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's build
> working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly unlikely
> to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort involved will *not
> *be born only by me personally (and by the helpful-but-overburdened
> Foundation Staff):
>
>   https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1
>
> I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken
> without further delay.
>
>
> Christian,
>
> One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to
> leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to
> 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action.   There is
> no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right?
> Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the Platform,
> and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with your most
> recently release, right?
>
> Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train
> is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects.  Once we
> drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
> On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the
> participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning with
> the upcoming 2021-06 release
> https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release
> 
> .
>
>
> As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over the
> work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also affect
> other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, Xcore, Parsley
> and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. (and maybe others)
>
> Please feel free to join the discussion at
> https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961
> 
> 
>
> KInd Regards, Christian
>
> Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle,
> Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
> Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald
> Goertz, Stephan Grollmann
> Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 Lünen
> (Germany)
> Registergericht/Registry Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund | HRB 20621
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] [epp-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Ed Willink 

Hi

ASM, Guice and Guava can be accommodated by losing the upper version 
bound; they appear to have good compatibility for at least my trivial 
usages. The explicit upper bound is honest in that it indicates 
not-tested, but a blocker for anyone who wants to try and test it.


The real killers for project relengs are the platform's gratuitous 
removal of IPlatformRunnable, movement to Java 11 BREE coupled with 
Tycho evolution. Equally troublesome are the almost six monthly 
breakages of the EF IT infrastructure as service is 'improved'.


    Regards

        Ed Willink


On 26/03/2021 07:24, Christian Dietrich wrote:


yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or 
another "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones 
and releases with the 3 weeks pressure.


Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:

All,

I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, 
only for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's 
build working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am 
highly unlikely to do so without some evidence that the cost and 
effort involved will *not *be born only by me personally (and by the 
helpful-but-overburdened Foundation Staff):


https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1

I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken 
without further delay.



Christian,

One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply 
to leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for 
contribution to 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to 
take action.   There is no absolute requirement that you must provide 
a new release, right?  Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable 
to assume that the Platform, and your other dependencies, will remain 
fully compatible with your most recently release, right?


Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 
train is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other 
projects.  Once we drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...


Regards,
Ed


On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:

Hi all,

i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the 
participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning 
with the upcoming 2021-06 release 
https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release 
. 



As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take 
over the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This 
will also affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext 
like OCL, Xcore, Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package 
in EPP. (and maybe others)


Please feel free to join the discussion at 
https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961 



KInd Regards, Christian

Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, 
Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), 
Harald Goertz, Stephan Grollmann
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov 
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:24 AM Christian Dietrich <
christian.dietr...@itemis.de> wrote:

> yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another
> "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and releases
> with the 3 weeks pressure.
>

Thanks Christian for pointing it out that the faster and faster cadence is
not a decision of one or another individual! It's smth inflicted on all of
us by the environment and we are facing the unpleasant choice of either
"throw in the towel" (as Ed said) or adapt to environment speed and
compatibility expectations and inflict on projects depending on your
project. Unfortunately, absorbing the environmental changes and
incompatibilities and guard your downstreams from them is plain impossible
with current manpower. Environmental changes are accelerating exponentially
thus the possibility to absorb changes at certain layers requires growth in
investments at a similar level in investment at the layer where absorbing
is wanted. As long as this doesn't happen these changes will be thrown down
and down the stack multiplying the collective price we (as a community) pay
more and more.


> Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:
>
> All,
>
> I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, only
> for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's build
> working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly unlikely
> to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort involved will *not
> *be born only by me personally (and by the helpful-but-overburdened
> Foundation Staff):
>
>   https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1
>
> I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken
> without further delay.
>
>
> Christian,
>
> One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to
> leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to
> 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action.   There is
> no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right?
> Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the Platform,
> and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with your most
> recently release, right?
>
> Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train
> is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects.  Once we
> drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
> On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the
> participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning with
> the upcoming 2021-06 release
> https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release
> 
> .
>
>
> As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over the
> work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also affect
> other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, Xcore, Parsley
> and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. (and maybe others)
>
> Please feel free to join the discussion at
> https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961
> 
> 
>
> KInd Regards, Christian
>
> Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle,
> Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
> Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), Harald
> Goertz, Stephan Grollmann
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> (Germany)
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Ed Merks 

Christian,

Thanks!  Let's see how that goes.

I too have noticed that more often than not, I end up with a great deal 
of work because of decisions and actions taken beyond my control.  
Progress is not always cheap and, subjectively, it's often merely 
different and disruptive.


Regards,
Ed

On 26.03.2021 08:24, Christian Dietrich wrote:


yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or 
another "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones 
and releases with the 3 weeks pressure.


Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:

All,

I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, 
only for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's 
build working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am 
highly unlikely to do so without some evidence that the cost and 
effort involved will *not *be born only by me personally (and by the 
helpful-but-overburdened Foundation Staff):


https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1

I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken 
without further delay.



Christian,

One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply 
to leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for 
contribution to 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to 
take action.   There is no absolute requirement that you must provide 
a new release, right?  Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable 
to assume that the Platform, and your other dependencies, will remain 
fully compatible with your most recently release, right?


Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 
train is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other 
projects.  Once we drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...


Regards,
Ed


On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:

Hi all,

i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the 
participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning 
with the upcoming 2021-06 release 
https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release 
. 



As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take 
over the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This 
will also affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext 
like OCL, Xcore, Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package 
in EPP. (and maybe others)


Please feel free to join the discussion at 
https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961 



KInd Regards, Christian

Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, 
Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), 
Harald Goertz, Stephan Grollmann
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Christian Dietrich 
yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another
"paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and
releases with the 3 weeks pressure.

Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:
> All,
>
> I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement,
> only for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's
> build working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am
> highly unlikely to do so without some evidence that the cost and
> effort involved will *not *be born only by me personally (and by the
> helpful-but-overburdened Foundation Staff):
>
>   https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1
>
> I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken
> without further delay.
>
>
> Christian,
>
> One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply
> to leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution
> to 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action.  
> There is no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release,
> right?  Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that
> the Platform, and your other dependencies, will remain fully
> compatible with your most recently release, right?
>
> Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06
> train is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other
> projects.  Once we drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>
>
> On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the
>> participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning
>> with the upcoming 2021-06 release
>> https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release
>> .
>>
>>
>> As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take
>> over the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will
>> also affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL,
>> Xcore, Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP.
>> (and maybe others)
>>
>> Please feel free to join the discussion at
>> https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961
>> 
>>
>> KInd Regards, Christian
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>> Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06

2021-03-26 Thread Ed Merks 

All,

I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, 
only for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's 
build working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly 
unlikely to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort 
involved will *not *be born only by me personally (and by the 
helpful-but-overburdened Foundation Staff):


  https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1

I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken 
without further delay.



Christian,

One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to 
leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to 
2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action.   There 
is no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right?  
Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the 
Platform, and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with 
your most recently release, right?


Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train 
is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects.  Once 
we drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...


Regards,
Ed


On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:

Hi all,

i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the 
participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning 
with the upcoming 2021-06 release 
https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release 
. 



As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over 
the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also 
affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, 
Xcore, Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. 
(and maybe others)


Please feel free to join the discussion at 
https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961 



KInd Regards, Christian

Vorstand/Board: Jens Wagener (Vors./chairman), Dr. Stephan Eberle, 
Abdelghani El-Kacimi, Wolfgang Neuhaus, Franz-Josef Schuermann
Aufsichtsrat/Supervisory Board: Michael Neuhaus (Vors./chairman), 
Harald Goertz, Stephan Grollmann
Sitz der Gesellschaft/Registered Office: Am Brambusch 15-24, 44536 
Lünen (Germany)

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