Re: Dutch defense minister warns other countries have Echelon-type spy networks
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:39:01PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: I couldn't find the document, but Ulf was kind enough to forward me the PDF file, which I've placed online: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/echelon-nl.0101.pdf This document describes the technical aspects of communication systems and their vulnerability to eavesdropping in general. It then goes on to describe the current and proposed laws regarding eavesdropping by the law enforcement agencies and intelligence agencies. The question whether "Echelon" exists, is _not_ officially answered by the Dutch minister of defense. He just notes that according to Duncan Campbell's "Interception Capabilities 2000" report and other open sources, a large scale interception system exists. He explicitly denies that the Dutch government has insider knowledge of the existance of Echelon, but does note that the Dutch government operates under the assumption that these kind of systems exist. So in short, claiming the Dutch government warns others about the existance of Echelon or equivelent systems is not correct. -Declan Wouter Slegers PGP signature
Re: Dutch defense minister warns other countries have Echelon-type spy networks
I couldn't find the document, but Ulf was kind enough to forward me the PDF file, which I've placed online: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/echelon-nl.0101.pdf -Declan On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 02:46:53AM +0100, Ulf Mller wrote: [I haven't seen the original documents, so consider this only a rumor at this point. Anyone have more info? -- John] http://parlando.sdu.nl/cgi/showdoc/doc/anonymous:62665/4/0/KST50892.pdf/0/KST50892.pdf (I don't know if that is a permanent URL. If not, search for document number 27591, nr. 1 at http://www.parlement.nl/doc/parlando/hfdframe/par001.htm .) It's in Dutch, obviously.
Dutch defense minister warns other countries have Echelon-type spy networks
[I haven't seen the original documents, so consider this only a rumor at this point. Anyone have more info? -- John] Translation of report by Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad on 20 January The Hague, 20 January: Systems used to "bug" telephones, faxes and e-mail, like the American-British Echelon, are not limited to a few Western countries. Investigative, security and intelligence services "in countries of various political complexions" use such systems. Companies and criminal organizations are also capable of tapping information channels on a large scale. So wrote Defense Minister De Grave in a memorandum issued on Friday [19 January], entitled "Large-scale bugging of modern telecommunications systems", which has been approved by the cabinet. This is the first time the existence of the Echelon espionage network has been officially recognized. Rumors to the effect that the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and New Zealand have established such a system has never been formally confirmed by the countries in question. Investigations by the French and Belgian parliaments, however, indicate that Echelon does actually exist. The European parliament has also confirmed, on the basis of scientific reparatory studies, that there is such a spy network, which allows large-scale reception and filtering of information conveyed by modern telecommunications systems for subsequent listening or reading. The network was initially intended to be used to fight crime and terrorism, but there are fears that the network also serves the purposes of industrial espionage. In yesterday's memorandum, De Grave indicated that modern telecommunications systems are technically vulnerable to bugging activities. Systems that use the airwaves partially or exclusively are relatively simple to tap into. The current level of protection is not always adequate for government purposes, according to Minister De Grave. However, encryption of information offers a higher level of safety. Separate protective measures are needed to safeguard special government information (state secrets, for example) from spying by third parties. Echelon will be on the agenda of a special session in the Lower House next Monday [22 January]. Source: NRC Handelsblad, Rotterdam, in Dutch 20 Jan 01 p 2
Re: Dutch defense minister warns other countries have Echelon-type spy networks
[I haven't seen the original documents, so consider this only a rumor at this point. Anyone have more info? -- John] http://parlando.sdu.nl/cgi/showdoc/doc/anonymous:62665/4/0/KST50892.pdf/0/KST50892.pdf (I don't know if that is a permanent URL. If not, search for document number 27591, nr. 1 at http://www.parlement.nl/doc/parlando/hfdframe/par001.htm .) It's in Dutch, obviously.
Re: Dutch defense minister warns other countries have Echelon-type spy networks
- Original Message - From: "John Gilmore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: Dutch defense minister warns other countries have Echelon-type spy networks [I haven't seen the original documents, so consider this only a rumor at this point. Anyone have more info? -- John] This German site has two articles (in English) on this matter: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/4729/1.html http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/4747/1.html Enzo
