Re: ECHELON Watch

1999-11-17 Thread Dan Geer


> > >ACLU today launched a new web site www.echelonwatch.org...
> 
> I find the phrasing of this site curious...

You're talking about end-product...

It is my strong suspicion that whereas the lead
enjoyed by national agencies in crypto matters
is substantial, such leads as they may still enjoy
are diminishing rapidly with one exception, viz.,
traffic analysis.  In that area -- the intelligence
value of knowing who is talking to whom, by what
channel, and with what pattern -- their lead is
vast and likely sustainable.  I suspect that this
is the highest and best use of the Echelon data.
That cataloging is of immense value, witness the
vigor of the pushing and shoving in the matter
of what it was that J. Pollard disclosed.

--dan




Re: ECHELON Watch

1999-11-17 Thread Julian Assange

bram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 16 Nov 1999, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> 
> > >ACLU today launched a new web site www.echelonwatch.org, which is designed 
> > >to focus public attention on the threats to civil liberties which are 
> > >posed by the massive international communications surveillance program 
> > >sometimes known by the code name ECHELON. The attached release gives more 
> > >details on the site.
> 
> I find the phrasing of this site curious - the impression that I got from
> the last cypherpunks meeting is that echelon is mostly used for
> industrial/government espionage - the number of reports it generates (two
> a day if my memory servers) are just too small to say much about
> individuals.

You're talking about end-product which is passed up to the
whitehouse. The value in a system like this historic investigations of
archived material via graph theory (e.g least path) and other
data-mining methods, such as those that are commonly employed to
predict and discover insurance fraud and tax evasion. Software such as
NetMap, Watson and Memex are key non-classified examples of what the
classified models probably look like. Once a subject becomes of
interest, the database can be mined to discover the web of
historic interactions that person has with other groups and individuals
satisfying certain constraints or symmetries. e.g "show me the top 5
two party relationships that exist that are of the same nature as the
relationship between parties A and B". This can be done automatically,
so that people who are starting to demonstrate certain behavior
receive more intense automatic and finally manual analysis.

Cheers,
Julian.



Re: ECHELON Watch

1999-11-16 Thread bram

On 16 Nov 1999, Perry E. Metzger wrote:

> >ACLU today launched a new web site www.echelonwatch.org, which is designed 
> >to focus public attention on the threats to civil liberties which are 
> >posed by the massive international communications surveillance program 
> >sometimes known by the code name ECHELON. The attached release gives more 
> >details on the site.

I find the phrasing of this site curious - the impression that I got from
the last cypherpunks meeting is that echelon is mostly used for
industrial/government espionage - the number of reports it generates (two
a day if my memory servers) are just too small to say much about
individuals.

Besides, violating individual rights is the FBI's job.

-Bram




ECHELON Watch

1999-11-16 Thread Perry E. Metzger


>From Dave Farber's "Interesting People" list.

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:39:27 -0500
From: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IP: ECHELON Watch


>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:59:41 -0500
>To: Dave Farber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: Barry Steinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Dave,
>
>ACLU today launched a new web site www.echelonwatch.org, which is designed 
>to focus public attention on the threats to civil liberties which are 
>posed by the massive international communications surveillance program 
>sometimes known by the code name ECHELON. The attached release gives more 
>details on the site.
>
>I believe this issue will be of interest to the IP list.
>
>Regards,
>
>Barry Steinhardt
>
>
>ACLU Launches Web Site On Global Surveillance System
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact:
>Jennifer Helburn
>Tuesday, November 16, 1999
>(202) 675-2312
>WASHINGTON-The American Civil Liberties Union today launched a web site
>designed to shed light on a global electronic surveillance system known by
>the code name "Echelon" that reportedly allows the United States and other
>governments to eavesdrop on private citizens.
>"Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering network in the
>world," said Barry Steinhardt, Associate Director of the ACLU. "But it is
>still very much a black box, which apparently operates without the oversight
>of Congress or the courts."
>The website - www.echelonwatch.org - encourages public discussion of the
>potential threat that Echelon poses to civil liberties, and allows visitors
>to fax free letters to Congress, urging their support for a congressional
>inquiry into the Echelon project. It also provides a collection of research
>documents on Echelon.
>After many years of reports by investigative journalists, the existence of
>Echelon became an international issue when the European Parliament received
>two reports detailing its operations and after the Australian government
>confirmed its participation in the operation. According to those reports,
>Echelon is led by the U.S. National Security Agency in conjunction with its
>counterpart agencies in England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
>Echelon reportedly attempts to capture all satellite, microwave, cellular
>and fiber-optic communications worldwide, including communications to and
>from North America. Computers then use sophisticated filtering technology to
>sort through conversations, faxes and emails searching for keywords or other
>flags. Communications that include the flags are then forwarded to the
>intelligence agency that requested them. The report to the European
>Parliament charged that Echelon had been used in the United Kingdom to spy
>on charities such as Amnesty International and Christian Aid.
>"Echelon can no longer be dismissed as an X-Files fantasy," Steinhardt said.
>"The reports to the European Parliament make it quite clear that Echelon
>exists and that its operation raises profound civil liberties issues."
>The NSA has refused to share with Congress and the public the legal
>guidelines for the project. This refusal prompted passage of a bill, now in
>the final stages before becoming law, requiring the intelligence agencies to
>prepare a report on the legal standards they use for monitoring
>communications. Within the next few months, the U.S. House Government Reform
>and Oversight Committee will hold hearings on Echelon.
>"It appears that the U.S. government is once again spying on Americans'
>private communications," said Gregory T. Nojeim, a legislative counsel in
>the ACLU's Washington National Office. "Congress must determine if Echelon
>is as sweeping and intrusive as has been reported, and most importantly, it
>must ensure that Americans' conversations are not intercepted without a
>court order."
>The ACLU created and administers the site in conjunction with the
>Washington, DC based Electronic Privacy Information Center and the Omega
>Foundation of Great Britain, which prepared the first report to the European
>Parliament.
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>
>



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