Re: [mm] How is DNSSEC

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Laurie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Er... Allow me the option o fdisbeleiving your assertion.
PTR records can and do point to mutiple names.  Some narrow
implementations have assumed that there will only be a single
data element and this myth - that PTRs only point to a single
name - is and has been spread widely.


You can disbelieve my assertion if you wish, but I am only quoting the 
RFC. RFC 1035, to be precise:


Address nodes are used to hold pointers to primary host names
in the normal domain space.

(section 3.5. IN-ADDR.ARPA domain). So, the myth is in the scripture.

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Re: [mm] How is DNSSEC

2008-03-26 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:46:40PM +, Ben Laurie wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Er... Allow me the option o fdisbeleiving your assertion.
  PTR records can and do point to mutiple names.  Some narrow
  implementations have assumed that there will only be a single
  data element and this myth - that PTRs only point to a single
  name - is and has been spread widely.
 
 You can disbelieve my assertion if you wish, but I am only quoting the 
 RFC. RFC 1035, to be precise:
 
 Address nodes are used to hold pointers to primary host names
 in the normal domain space.
 
 (section 3.5. IN-ADDR.ARPA domain). So, the myth is in the scripture.


ah... open to interpretation.  what is a primary host name?

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Re: [mm] How is DNSSEC

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Laurie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:46:40PM +, Ben Laurie wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Er... Allow me the option o fdisbeleiving your assertion.
PTR records can and do point to mutiple names.  Some narrow
implementations have assumed that there will only be a single
data element and this myth - that PTRs only point to a single
name - is and has been spread widely.
You can disbelieve my assertion if you wish, but I am only quoting the 
RFC. RFC 1035, to be precise:


Address nodes are used to hold pointers to primary host names
in the normal domain space.

(section 3.5. IN-ADDR.ARPA domain). So, the myth is in the scripture.



ah... open to interpretation.  what is a primary host name?


RFC 1035 does not say, in the case of hosts, but the intent is quite 
clear from the text on gateways:


Gateways will often have two names in separate domains, only one of 
which can be primary.


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Re: [mm] How is DNSSEC

2008-03-26 Thread Ben Laurie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 03:52:49PM +, Ben Laurie wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:46:40PM +, Ben Laurie wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Er... Allow me the option o fdisbeleiving your assertion.
PTR records can and do point to mutiple names.  Some narrow
implementations have assumed that there will only be a single
data element and this myth - that PTRs only point to a single
name - is and has been spread widely.
You can disbelieve my assertion if you wish, but I am only quoting the 
RFC. RFC 1035, to be precise:


Address nodes are used to hold pointers to primary host names
in the normal domain space.

(section 3.5. IN-ADDR.ARPA domain). So, the myth is in the scripture.


ah... open to interpretation.  what is a primary host name?
RFC 1035 does not say, in the case of hosts, but the intent is quite 
clear from the text on gateways:


Gateways will often have two names in separate domains, only one of 
which can be primary.



the intent for gateways...  hosts w/ multiple IP's (VMware etc)
are not gateways.  comparing oranges w/ dragonfruits.


If you insist on language lawyering, I can play.

I'd say it is clear from:

a) The lack of a repeated PTR record for a host IP in the example,

b) The use of the word 'primary',

c) The fact that the authors felt it necessary to explain what they saw 
as an exceptional case, i.e. that a gateway could have two names


that in the case of hosts, the authors expected there to only be a 
single PTR record for reverse lookup.


Of course, we have the power to change RFCs. But there's a process for that.

Cheers,

Ben.

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