Re: Clipper for luggage

2003-11-19 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
[Moderator's note: With this, I'm ending all baggage messages for
now. --Perry]

  It will also mean more peace of mind for 
  passengers worried about reports of increased pilferage from unlocked bags.
 
 ... so, TSA people are stealing from unlocked bags.  

Not necessarily.  I was under the impression that there are also
non-TSA folks (airline-employed baggage handlers) in the
baggage-handling pipeline.

- Bill

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Re: Clipper for luggage

2003-11-17 Thread David Chessler
At 03:00 PM 11/16/03, peter gutmann wrote:
Bill Frantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I usually travel with zipper closed duffel bags.  I fasten the zipper
closed
with a screw link.  Anyone can unscrew the link and get into the bag,
but it
does effectively keep the zipper closed in transit.  I suppose it also
provides some level of security because someone wanting to do a quick
grab
from luggage will probably pick a less-secured piece.

Whentrue locks are banned, that's actually a rather good protection 
mechanism, constituting a type of hashcash for luggage.  Someone who's 
looking for targets of opportunity and has a choice between a 
Clipper-locked container they can get into almost unnoticed in 5 seconds 
or something where it'll take a minute or two of obvious fiddling will 
presumably go for the Clipper-lock. Just don't go overboard with those 
custom foot-long screw machined locks.
TSA had been recommending electricians cable ties made of nylon. The 4 (10 
cm) or 8 (20 cm) sizes work well in most zipper-type locks. They can't 
easily be removed without cutting them. I had improved the ties by using 
colored ones (available at most electrical supply houses and better 
hardware stores), so that there would be clear evidence of entry. For 
further security I dropped a bit of colored sealing wax on each cable tie. 
On a longer trip I have to carry spare cable ties. I made sure not to have 
spares of the color I used on each leg. I also tried to carry the spare 
cable ties and spare sealing wax (several colors) in my carry-on (or my 
pockets). These can easily be cut with fingernail clippers, which are now 
legal to carry, and which can also be carried in an unlocked pocket on 
the checked bag.

For some years, numbered one-use nylon or plastic ties have been available 
in luggage supply stores. These also have to be cut or broken to open the 
suitcase, and they cannot readily be replaced because the serial numbers 
are unique.

None of these totally prevent theft, but any lock that can fit through most 
zippers can easily be cut with a short 12-inch bolt cutter (30 cm long), 
that can be bought for $10 at Sears or most hardware stores, and that will 
fit in the pockets of most work-clothing. (Indeed, it can probably be cut 
with an 8 (20 cm long) diagonal cutting pliers (or electricians pliers).) 
Given the lax security in the back areas of the airports, it's easy enough 
for the baggage handlers to have cutting instruments. But, if the object is 
to be able to tell immediately that the suitcase has been opened, and so 
file a claim, they will work.

Indeed, if all you have to do is slow down a thief, then a twist tie or 
the plastic seal from a garbage bag can be used to seal the lock.

Hard-sided luggage is more difficult to lock in this way. However, the 
plastic cable ties are available in lengths up to about 48 (120 cm). These 
can be passed around the bag and tightened (if necessary, two or more can 
be linked together). Since these are not available in colors, and are too 
big to be convenient in carry-ons (and might invite queries since they are 
the same things that police use as handcuffs), the lock portion should be 
sealed with sealing wax. 

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Re: Clipper for luggage

2003-11-16 Thread Peter Gutmann
Bill Frantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I usually travel with zipper closed duffel bags.  I fasten the zipper closed
with a screw link.  Anyone can unscrew the link and get into the bag, but it
does effectively keep the zipper closed in transit.  I suppose it also
provides some level of security because someone wanting to do a quick grab
from luggage will probably pick a less-secured piece.

When true locks are banned, that's actually a rather good protection
mechanism, constituting a type of hashcash for luggage.  Someone who's looking
for targets of opportunity and has a choice between a Clipper-locked container
they can get into almost unnoticed in 5 seconds or something where it'll take
a minute or two of obvious fiddling will presumably go for the Clipper-lock.
Just don't go overboard with those custom foot-long screw machined locks.

Peter.

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Re: Clipper for luggage

2003-11-15 Thread Bill Frantz
At 9:27 AM -0800 11/13/03, David Turner wrote:
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 22:31, Tim Dierks wrote:
  From the New York Times. Any guesses on how long it'll take before your
 local hacker will have a key which will open any piece of your luggage?

Local hacker, hell:

 It will also mean more peace of mind for
 passengers worried about reports of increased pilferage from unlocked bags.

... so, TSA people are stealing from unlocked bags.  The solution:

 In other words, we can open it, but no one else can.

... allow only the TSA to get into bags.  Brilliant!

Actually, this does have some security benefit, in that now TSA can be
effectively held responsible for thefts.  Still, the subject is quite
accurate, except that it won't be mandatory as Clipper is.

I've never seen a luggage lock that provides anything like what I would
call security.  On the other hand, unlocked luggage does sometimes open in
transit.  (I saw a suitcase open when it was dropped while being loaded
onto an airplane.)

I usually travel with zipper closed duffel bags.  I fasten the zipper
closed with a screw link.  Anyone can unscrew the link and get into the
bag, but it does effectively keep the zipper closed in transit.  I suppose
it also provides some level of security because someone wanting to do a
quick grab from luggage will probably pick a less-secured piece.\

Cheers - Bill


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