Re: [cryptography] the Zcash Open Source Miner Challenge (and about Zcash in general)

2016-10-11 Thread grarpamp 
I'd agree that "forums" are a poor choice.
They're magnets for masses of the clueless,
which is fine for that purpose. And they're
heavyweight, captive, and exploitable.
Lists can be archived, replicated, distributed,
offlined, searched with any MUA, etc. +1.

(A bidirectional gateway to list, with [un]subscribe,
and only sending message content not all the
damn forum bling, and proper threading of headers,
might be acceptable. However I don't know of any
forum that has that capability and care for email.)
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Re: [cryptography] the Zcash Open Source Miner Challenge (and about Zcash in general)

2016-10-11 Thread Peter Todd 
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 03:34:33PM -, sten...@nymphet.paranoici.org wrote:
> Zooko Wilcox-OHearn  writes:
> 
> > https://z.cash ... There's a lot going on there. ... Jump in!
> 
> I want to jump in but I can't because z.cash has no mailing list.  A
> mailing list is needed because it allows participation by individuals
> for whom any low-latency Internet access, such as posting to the web,
> would allow them to be located and brought under political
> subjugation.  Their Internet utterances can only be by way of
> anonymizing remailers having long random latency and traffic mixing.

Additionally, mailing lists have robust infrastructure available for archiving
them by third-parties. This is important both to ensure that the historical
development record remains available, and to ensure that record is secure from
tampering.

Note how the Bitcoin Core project moved its mailing lists to the Linux
Foundation in part to ensure that discussion was happening on a forum whose
operators were unrelated to Bitcoin Core itself. Similarly day-to-day IRC
development chat happens on Freenode, again run by people distinct from Bitcoin
Core itself. I personally decided to stop posting new technical content on
bitcointalk and instead post it on the Bitcoin development mailing list years
ago for precisely these reasons.

I would strongly suggest that https://forum.z.cash/ be closed and replaced by a
mailing list. Warren Togami could help get it hosted by the Linux Foundation as
well if the Zcash project is interested in that hosting option.

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Re: [cryptography] the Zcash Open Source Miner Challenge (and about Zcash in general)

2016-10-11 Thread stenski 
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Zooko Wilcox-OHearn  writes:

> https://z.cash ... There's a lot going on there. ... Jump in!

I want to jump in but I can't because z.cash has no mailing list.  A
mailing list is needed because it allows participation by individuals
for whom any low-latency Internet access, such as posting to the web,
would allow them to be located and brought under political
subjugation.  Their Internet utterances can only be by way of
anonymizing remailers having long random latency and traffic mixing.

I am a reputable nym [1].  But, true to the privacy principles
motivating zcash, I choose to remain untraceable.

An email gateway to https://forum.z.cash/ would make a good mailing
list, and seems to be supported by its underlying platform [2], but
subscription is only open to those already registered on the web
forum.  Registering to the web forum is only by web access which has
low latency and is therefore traceable even if through Tor (by
end-point traffic correlation).

Help!

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[1] See for example Pull Request #1052 [3], derived from my
contribution on the zcash-dev mailing list [4] and kindly submitted by
Taylor Hornby.

[2] http://www.discourse.org/about/
   Mailing List Support
   Opt into a special mode where all messages are sent to you via
   email, exactly like a mailing list. Start new topics via email

[3] https://github.com/zcash/zcash/pull/1052

[4] https://lists.zca.sh/pipermail/zcash-dev/2016-June/89.html

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