RE: [dvd-discuss] Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
-Original Message- From: Scott A Crosby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... Worse.. Think of it: This even applies to answering machines that store the message on a digital chip. (Like the one my mother uses). So, this like the DMCA, will be a law that will be very selectively enforced. If this monstrosity gets passed, could we overload the courts w/ lawsuits against companies that manufacture any digital device that does not conform to the law (such as digital answering machines) and, in so doing, bring the inconsistancies impracticalities to theattention of the public and the courts? [Moderator's note: Probably not. --Perry] We don't _have_ to let them get away with selective enforcement. By insisting on full enforcement we would be able to break them, I think. -- -Richard M. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 186,000 mi./sec ... not just a good idea, it's the LAW! - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
I believe that only the DA (government) can initiate criminal proceedings. Unlike in civil proceedings the copyright holders don't have to spend a dime defending their DMCA or (proposed) SSSCA rights, the taxpayer foots the bill. -- Viktor. Richard Hartman If this monstrosity gets passed, could we overload the courts w/ lawsuits against companies that manufacture any digital device that does not conform to the law (such as digital answering machines) and, in so doing, bring the inconsistancies impracticalities to theattention of the public and the courts? [Moderator's note: Probably not. --Perry] - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
Rick is absolutely right, but could I give the lobbyist reply? 1) This Act actually creates two types of computers: those that comply with the Act and those that don't comply. Wrong; it eradicates the second type. Our innovative US hardware sector will be ready with compliant machines the day the Act comes into force. 2) This Act artificially inflates the cost of a basic PC, making it much harder to install them in schools, or use them in other ways to educate disadvantaged American citizens. Wrong again; economies of scale will mean the entire industry will unite to build on the important work by the TCPA, 4C Entity (or however many Cs there are these days) and Microsoft to add this capability at minimal cost. 3) If this Act forces all U.S. vendors to comply with the Act, then it eliminates U.S. vendors from the international personal computer market. Overseas vendors will continue to build the powerful products we use today, which provide far greater capabilities than most user can harness. U.S. vendors will have to build more costly products that won't be able to compete against cheaper foreign products. It won't take long to use the WIPO, WTO, and good 'ole US strongarm tactics to impose this legislation on the rest of the world. Meanwhile, we impose crippling sanctions on any company with any US exposure that produces such devices. cf Cuba, war on drugs, etc. etc. 4) This Act prevents garage shop innovation in information technology by placing it entirely in the hands of established vendors. This kills the wellspring of innovation that was responsible for the PC revolution in the first place. Innovation doesn't happen if it has to ask permission first. Who cares about innovation if it isn't contributing campaign dollars? Sorry for my cynicism :( Ian. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
Ian Brown writes: It won't take long to use the WIPO, WTO, and good 'ole US strongarm tactics to impose this legislation on the rest of the world. Meanwhile, we impose crippling sanctions on any company with any US exposure that produces such devices. cf Cuba, war on drugs, etc. etc. Before we engage in the usual tirades against the Great Satan, let's note this: Round about the time the recording industries were hobbling DAT decks to make sure they would not threaten their business, there was an attempt to make the PC industry build in anti-copy technology like the one in digital tape decks. The computer hardware lobby, assisted by some non-profits, killed the measure handily. I see little reason to believe we won't see a similar result this time, especially given the huge issue (finally!) digital copyright has become. After all, what hardware company wants to sell a hobbled computer whose main purpose is to protect someone else's line of business? Hollings will make more enemies than he cares to think of if he proceeds with this dead-on-arrival bill. Will Rodger Washington, DC - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
I see little reason to believe we won't see a similar result this time, especially given the huge issue (finally!) digital copyright has become. After all, what hardware company wants to sell a hobbled computer whose main purpose is to protect someone else's line of business? The TrustedPC membership including Microsoft, Intel, IBM and Compaq. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 Beta available The Kermit Project @ Columbia University includes Secure Telnet and FTP http://www.kermit-project.org/ using Kerberos, SRP, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenSSL. SSH soon to follow. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Carsten Kuckuk wrote: Am I right in that this bill would effectively outlaw all free open-source operating systems like Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc.? Carsten Kuckuk Yes. All interactive digital systems that directly connect to the net will have to licensed. Most that do not connect directly will also have to be licensed. License costs will be high enough so that only a few large companies can afford them. Individuals will not be allowed to assemble components to make a computer for themselves, unless they spend millions on a license, and wait some months for the paperwork to go through. oo--JS. - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sen. Hollings plans to introduce DMCA sequel: The SSSCA
-- On 10 Sep 2001, at 0:26, Jay Sulzberger wrote: All interactive digital systems that directly connect to the net will have to licensed. Most that do not connect directly will also have to be licensed. License costs will be high enough so that only a few large companies can afford them. Individuals will not be allowed to assemble components to make a computer for themselves, unless they spend millions on a license, and wait some months for the paperwork to go through. When the chinese invented paper, the government eventually decided that this led to dangerous communication of dangerous thoughts, and prohibited private production of paper. It made paper making a state secret, and castrated all paper makers so that the secret would not be passed from father to son, but only transmitted in government approved channels. Thereafter paper was used only to transmit government approved thoughts through government channels, and to the populace. Computers are similarly dangerous. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG pEyJYvluyMSWgNZ7GAkKeNzQ3mshy+SsKVJ/wMhs 4sKLUftGKcn9X/CXUOs7SZPnTiZHI8M0IpiNhuyx6 - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
