collecting an Enigma? [was: Antiques man guilty of Enigma charge
At 10:39 AM 9/27/2001 +0200, Hadmut Danisch wrote: There are many versions and variatons of the Enigma, I know that many versions of the Enigma were sold commercially. They were not rare, at least some of the versions that Hadmut lists. Since I worked professionally writing software ciphers, I have thought over the years that owning an Enigma sample would be cool. Assuming that private collectors can own one, and that the price is less than that of a small house. Sort of like buying one of the Beatles' guitars. Does anyone know if there is a legal collector's market for Enigma machines? thanks pat Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pfarrell.com - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collecting an Enigma? [was: Antiques man guilty of Enigma charge
On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 10:37:23AM -0400, Pat Farrell wrote: Does anyone know if there is a legal collector's market for Enigma machines? Some years ago, when I was at the university, the institute had one enigma, which was bought at an auction. If I remember well, it had cost about DM 15.000,- (about 7,100 US$). The machine was in a very good condition, everything worked well (of course, the original battery was removed), even most of the light bulbs were still working. It was, however, a very simple version (three wheels, no separate wheels, no plug board) and I think, it was a commercial version. The box was obviously modified after WWII to remove the signs and labels of the Nazis, but except from that also in a good shape. A friend of mine collects old mechanical calculation machines and therefore used to visit auctions. There are special auctions for these machines and the catalogues usually contained about 1-2 pages of old encryption machines as well (mostly Enigma or Hagelin), but it's about 4 years ago that I've seen such a catalogue. Prices may have increased meanwhile. However, there is definitly a huge market for legal (and probably also stolen ones) calculation machines, including encryption machines. regards Hadmut - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: collecting an Enigma? [was: Antiques man guilty of Enigma charge
At 10:37 AM -0400 9/27/01, Pat Farrell wrote: Since I worked professionally writing software ciphers, I have thought over the years that owning an Enigma sample would be cool. Assuming that private collectors can own one, and that the price is less than that of a small house. Sort of like buying one of the Beatles' guitars. Does anyone know if there is a legal collector's market for Enigma machines? Yes. They show up from time to time in various places, and a few times a year on eBay, even. A civilian Enigma like a NEMA should run between US$2K-3K. A military Enigma should run around $5K-7K, less if it isn't in working condition or is missing rotors, more if it has some interesting provenance. You can get Hagelin M209 machines in the US$1500-2000 for ones in really spiffy condition. There's a M209 canvas case up for auction now on eBay. Jon - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
