Re: [css-d] Layout not displaying correctly in web based email clients

2006-06-22 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:38:05 +0930, Bojana Lalic wrote:
>
> I have created a newsletter page and uploaded it to the server. I
> am previewing it in IE and using the Send -> Page by Email option
> to send it out. It displays fine in Outlook but not in Hotmail.
>
Hi Bojana,
I imagine you are talking about HTML email with some styles applied.
18 months ago I surveyed various web mail services to see if they handled
styling, and how well. At that time, Hotmail did some serious damage to
styles, embedded or inline. For one thing, it simply erased any mention
of "margin".

I suggest you view source to investigate. Also, use the Firefox developer
extension or something similar to let you view the CSS that the mail service
applies. Warning - keep some headache pills handy.

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Re: [css-d] dilemma

2006-06-22 Thread david
Dave Pierce wrote:

> Nicholas, this is all new to me, as I didn't design the original site, 
> and am a very new newbie. That edittag stuff is something that's used 
> to allow for certain of the company's employees to make additions and 
> subtractions to certain site pages, from their various locations. The 
> site page that they do the work on is not seen on the site, but the 
> page URL is part of the site. Only the certain few have the URL to see 
> it. And the page just looks like a small form with a drop-down list and 
> a text area for them to fill out. For instance, on the jobs page, they 
> would be able to go to this special page, choose "jobs" from their 
> drop-down list, and then insert the text into the text window 
> describing the job and location.
> 
> This system is what I'm trying to figure out how to replace with CSS 
> and eliminate what is obviously some very clumsy old coding.

They've got some kind of content management system running. Maybe old 
and junky.

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Re: [css-d] dilemma

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Pierce
> Hi again,
>
> Ian intelligently intoned...
>>
>>>
>>> Oh, yeah, and if anyone can tell me what the deuce those creepy 
>>> little
>>> "A"s are about, it'd be very greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> {Clip, Slash)

Cem Meric  quietly queried:

>  Have you considered upgrading the site to "CSS only code" without 
> those creepy
> little "A"s ones in for all?
>
>
Cem, their budget called for only one page addition, nothing more. I'm 
considering asking if they want an entire redo, but they've already 
said they really can't afford it. Trust me my friend, I've thought of 
that a few times! ;-)

Then Nicholas Morgan mentioned...

> What are you trying to accomplish with these edittagsrc things?  Are 
> you defining a region for people to insert content?  If you are using 
> a form in the backend to update the data then you should just spit out 
> the string into a div.  Does your code in the site look for that 
> special tag?  If so you could change the way the script works and make 
> it store the content in a variable and then just print that variable 
> where you want it in the page.  As for more help with CSS that's not 
> really going to help you get your content from point A to point B.  It 
> is for making that content look awesome once it gets to point B.  For 
> CSS first start with getting ready of the font tags. And assigning a 
> font-family and font-size to the body ( and using % or keyword like 
> small)
>
Nicholas, this is all new to me, as I didn't design the original site, 
and am a very new newbie. That edittag stuff is something that's used 
to allow for certain of the company's employees to make additions and 
subtractions to certain site pages, from their various locations. The 
site page that they do the work on is not seen on the site, but the 
page URL is part of the site. Only the certain few have the URL to see 
it. And the page just looks like a small form with a drop-down list and 
a text area for them to fill out. For instance, on the jobs page, they 
would be able to go to this special page, choose "jobs" from their 
drop-down list, and then insert the text into the text window 
describing the job and location.

This system is what I'm trying to figure out how to replace with CSS 
and eliminate what is obviously some very clumsy old coding.

And thanks for the hint on the "A"s...I'll check it out, but those 
things are hanging out in the middle of blank white space...nowhere 
near any of the actual text.

Dave

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Re: [css-d] Mac site check please

2006-06-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Jun 23, 2006, at 5:18 AM, Christine Ce wrote:

> I need www.wuongean.com/beta/index.htm checked on a Mac.
>
> More specifically I would like to know if the popup that should  
> appear when
> the kanji at the top right is hovered over works with Internet  
> Explorer on a
> Mac.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.

Yes, it works more or less.
You have a horizontal scroll bar on that page, caused by the absolute  
positioning of the pop up (esp the 'right:0'). It is a well known bug  
[1]. There are some font-sizing issues as well. But see below.

PLEASE, validate your markup before submitting for a check.
 ...
   
   ...

Is definitively *not* valid html.


[1] 

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Re: [css-d] Mac site check please

2006-06-22 Thread Margaret Copeland
Christine,
On my Mac in IE, the popup appears, but the font is large and the text 
covers the kanji, as well as the "an" of "gean" and "ker" of 
"printmaker". In Safari, the popup neatly occupies just the area to the 
right of the kanji.
regards,
Margaret


On Jun 22, 2006, at 9:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:18:08 +0100
> From: "Christine Ce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [css-d] Mac site check please
> To: CSS-D 
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> Hello list,
>
> I need www.wuongean.com/beta/index.htm checked on a Mac.
>
> More specifically I would like to know if the popup that should appear 
> when
> the kanji at the top right is hovered over works with Internet 
> Explorer on a
> Mac.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Christine

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Re: [css-d] dilemma

2006-06-22 Thread Nicholas Morgan
The special characters are from characters in your code that need to  
be converted to html entities.  Like say " needs to be “  I get  
that a lot when I cut and past content from word into TextMate.  If  
your clients are doing that then start there for the special characters.

What are you trying to accomplish with these edittagsrc things?  Are  
you defining a region for people to insert content?  If you are using  
a form in the backend to update the data then you should just spit  
out the string into a div.  Does your code in the site look for that  
special tag?  If so you could change the way the script works and  
make it store the content in a variable and then just print that  
variable where you want it in the page.  As for more help with CSS  
that's not really going to help you get your content from point A to  
point B.  It is for making that content look awesome once it gets to  
point B.  For CSS first start with getting ready of the font tags.  
And assigning a font-family and font-size to the body ( and using %  
or keyword like small)

If you can go into a little more detail on the system you are using,  
I could be more specific but just email me directly to keep the non- 
CSS off the discussion list.

Nick

On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Dave Pierce wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Ian intelligently intoned...
>>
>>>
>>> Oh, yeah, and if anyone can tell me what the deuce those creepy  
>>> little
>>> "A"s are about, it'd be very greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> Looks as if the database has been copied at some point as the code if
>> full
>> of the little critters.
>> Need to clean up the db and then the code - alt tags in particular
>> before
>> you even consider CSS.
>
> OK, as a total newbie, I'll do my best as far as the tags etc., but so
> far there have been very few that don't validate, and most of those  
> are
> in the  accomplish this with CSS?
>
> And a hint as to where to find db info as to how to clean it up would
> be useful...(sorry Alex, I know that's not a CSS problem, but the main
> question is, and it all fits together)
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Nicholas Morgan
Thx for pointing that out.  yeah probably need to set the min-height  
of the main-nav.  But I think I am going to start from square one and  
refactor the code.  I've being tweaking it too much getting it to  
work right, and its a little heavy.

Anyways thanks for the help fellas.

Nick

On Jun 22, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

> Your design is now heavily dependent on the user having the same font-
> size as yours. Here is what I see in my default browser with my
> minimum font-size set to 14px.
> 
>
> And Safari 2.0 does something strange with your footer, which I
> haven't debugged yet
> 
>
>
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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Jun 23, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Nicholas Morgan wrote:

> Thx Ingo.  That was indeed the problem.
>
> I couldn't get away with parent nodes not having layout so I went for
> the positioning route.  Works all except for shadows on the right and
> left of the page-area.  Oh well.. can't seem to win that battle.
>
> Works in the same in every browser just missing that one part. If you
> want to see my solution its up there:
>
> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/test.html

> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/

Your design is now heavily dependent on the user having the same font- 
size as yours. Here is what I see in my default browser with my  
minimum font-size set to 14px.


And Safari 2.0 does something strange with your footer, which I  
haven't debugged yet



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Re: [css-d] dilemma

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Pierce
Hi again,

Ian intelligently intoned...
>
>>
>> Oh, yeah, and if anyone can tell me what the deuce those creepy little
>> "A"s are about, it'd be very greatly appreciated!
>>
>
> Looks as if the database has been copied at some point as the code if 
> full
> of the little critters.
> Need to clean up the db and then the code - alt tags in particular 
> before
> you even consider CSS.

OK, as a total newbie, I'll do my best as far as the tags etc., but so 
far there have been very few that don't validate, and most of those are 
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Re: [css-d] Images stacking vertically instead of horizontally in IE/Win

2006-06-22 Thread Ian Piper
On 22 Jun 2006, at 5:54 pm, Ingo Chao wrote:

> Ian Piper wrote:
>
>> http://www.tellura.co.uk/tsc/
>
> I think IE tries to excessively shrink-to-fit #tiles to the minimum
> width. Applying a width of 100% and changing the margin into a padding
> of the container might be an option. Or remove the float in an IE
> Conditional and insert zoom:1 or display:inline-block instead.

Thanks very much Ingo, it was indeed the width. I just put in width:  
890px; and IE started to behave itself.

Regards,


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Re: [css-d] CSS Validator working right?

2006-06-22 Thread Tom Livingston
On 6/22/06, Bjoern Hoehrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Tom Livingston wrote:
> >No style sheet found"
> >
> >on this page:
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> >http://66.155.251.18/jltservices.com/
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> That's probably because you have no type="" attribute on your s.
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DOH!

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Re: [css-d] CSS Validator working right?

2006-06-22 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Tom Livingston wrote:
>No style sheet found"
>
>on this page:
>
>http://66.155.251.18/jltservices.com/

That's probably because you have no type="" attribute on your s.
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Re: [css-d] CSS Validator working right?

2006-06-22 Thread cj
On 6/22/06, cj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i'm guessing here, but the only thing i see at a glance is that you have:
>
> @charset "UTF-8";
>
> in your css.  does taking that out make a difference?


i hit send too soon, sorry for the spam here.  you should also place:

type="text/css"

in your link.  for example:


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Re: [css-d] CSS Validator working right?

2006-06-22 Thread cj
i'm guessing here, but the only thing i see at a glance is that you have:

@charset "UTF-8";

in your css.  does taking that out make a difference?
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[css-d] CSS Validator working right?

2006-06-22 Thread Tom Livingston
Listers,

I just got this error:

"No error or warning found

To work as intended, your CSS style sheet needs a correct document
parse tree. This means you should use valid HTML.

No style sheet found"

on this page:

http://66.155.251.18/jltservices.com/

What the heck does it mean?

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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Nicholas Morgan
Thx Ingo.  That was indeed the problem.

I couldn't get away with parent nodes not having layout so I went for  
the positioning route.  Works all except for shadows on the right and  
left of the page-area.  Oh well.. can't seem to win that battle.

Works in the same in every browser just missing that one part. If you  
want to see my solution its up there:

http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/test.html

http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/

stylesheets:

http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/generic.css
http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/layout.css
http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/ie.css


Solution is a little too much of a kludge for me.  My vote is for  
design tweak.

Thanks again guys for all your help.

Nick


On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Ingo Chao wrote:
>
> We have discussed this IE/Win problem in
> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/acidicfloat.html
>
> As long as your float is wrapped in container that have "layout", they
> will expand to contain the float.
>

 
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[css-d] Mac site check please

2006-06-22 Thread Christine Ce
Hello list,

I need www.wuongean.com/beta/index.htm checked on a Mac.

More specifically I would like to know if the popup that should appear when
the kanji at the top right is hovered over works with Internet Explorer on a
Mac.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Christine
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[css-d] h4/a right border alignment within td (E.M on CSS p.102)

2006-06-22 Thread Albo Fossa
I've been taking the course. I see you add right padding to < a > elements
in the < td >, thus forcing the border to the right. I *don't* understand
how the < h4 > right borders jump over too, and in general the < h4 > text
remains so obedient. Does it have to do with the fact that < h4 > is margin:
0?

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Re: [css-d] Previous adjacent selector

2006-06-22 Thread Scott Sauyet
Robert James wrote:
> I normally like to put the label first, and enclose the input element
> within it.  Is there anyway I can use CSS to select all labels that
> *enclose* checked radio buttons?

I don't think there is.  The design of CSS is meant to make it 
relatively easy to implement, and specifically to render progressively. 
  So all selectors [1] are based upon ancestors and previous siblings, 
which you can track in a single pass through the document.  If 
implementations had to worry about descendants and succeeding siblings, 
they couldn't render the document nearly as quickly.

This is relatively easy to do in Javascript, and as it really describes 
the behavior of your page as much as it's design, Javascript is fairly 
appropriate to solving this case, as long as you don't mind some of your 
audience not seeing the effect.

All that said, if you didn't mind using markup that puts the label after 
the input element, you could use CSS positioning or floating techniques 
to display the label first and then apply the adjacent siblings selector 
to style it as you would like.

Good luck,

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[1] There are some unfortunate exceptions: ":last-child" and especially 
":nth-last-*" break this paradigm.  I know of no others, though.

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[css-d] Sprites and Image Replacement

2006-06-22 Thread rollandburn
Hi all,  I wonder if a guru could help me out with my (attempted)  
implementation of sprites and image replacement.  Below is the css  
and html which works fine in firefox and internet explorer (as far as  
I can tell) and an example can be seen at http://www.rollandburn.com

I get the feeling I'm missing something important with the sprites  
because there should be no need to keep repeating...

background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif) -240px -15px no-repeat;

...in the css for each of the tabs.   I thought I could simply put  
that under the #tabNav li {} and for each of the tabs all I would  
have to set is the positioning but unfortunately the way I have it  
below is the only way I could get it to work.

Arg!

I know my IR technique probably leaves a lot to be desired. =[

Thanks for any suggestions or advice to improve. =]


HTML_

Dashboard
Add Mortgage
Search
Reports


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#tabNav {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
position: relative;
}
#tabNav li {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style: none;
position: absolute;
top: 0;
width: 120px;
height: 15px;
text-indent: -5000px;
font-size: 1px;
}
#tabNav li, #tabNav a {
height: 15px;
display: block;
}
#tab_dashboard { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif) -240px  
-30px no-repeat; left: 0; }
#tab_dashboard a:hover { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif)  
-120px -30px no-repeat; }

#tab_addMort { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif) -240px 0 no- 
repeat; left: 120px; }
#tab_addMort a:hover { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif)  
-120px 0px no-repeat; }

#tab_search { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif) -240px -15px  
no-repeat; left: 240px; }
#tab_search a:hover { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif)  
-120px -15px no-repeat; }

#tab_reports { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif) -240px -45px  
no-repeat; left: 360px; }
#tab_reports a:hover { background: url(linkGrid_sectionTabs.gif)  
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Re: [css-d] Images stacking vertically instead of horizontally in IE/Win

2006-06-22 Thread Ingo Chao
Ian Piper wrote:

> http://www.tellura.co.uk/tsc/

I think IE tries to excessively shrink-to-fit #tiles to the minimum 
width. Applying a width of 100% and changing the margin into a padding 
of the container might be an option. Or remove the float in an IE 
Conditional and insert zoom:1 or display:inline-block instead.


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[css-d] Previous adjacent selector

2006-06-22 Thread Robert James
I just learned about adjacent selector.  It allows me to set the style
differently for all labels following radio buttons which are checked
versus not:

input[type="radio"]:checked + label { ... }

My question is:
I normally like to put the label first, and enclose the input element
within it.  Is there anyway I can use CSS to select all labels that
*enclose* checked radio buttons?

(Firefox is the only target for this project.)
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[css-d] Images stacking vertically instead of horizontally in IE/Win

2006-06-22 Thread Ian Piper
Hi all,

I've hit another IE/Win irritation. I have a line of 8 square images  
that are supposed to sit in a horizontal row. This happens fine with  
Safari and Firefox (Mac OS X and Windows) but in IE/Win the images  
stack up vertically.

You can see the problem here:

http://www.tellura.co.uk/tsc/

My html is:












and my CSS is:

#tiles {
clear: both;
float: left;
display: inline; /* to fix IE double-margin display problem */
margin: 10px;
padding: 6px 0;
border-top: 1px solid #66;
border-bottom: 1px solid #66;
}

.tile_image {
float: left;
display: inline; /* to fix IE double-margin display problem */
margin-right: 6px;
}

.end_tile_image {
display: inline; /* to fix IE double-margin display problem */
margin-right: 0;
}

I can't figure out what is causing this (I thought it might have been  
IE's problem with doubling margins but I am using display: inline;).  
Can anyone throw any light on this?

Thanks,


Ian.
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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nicholas Morgan wrote:
> The idea is that the background expands and contracts bases on the 
> nav's height.  Since the float is supposed to be taken out of the 
> flow of the page this shouldn't be a problem.  And then setting the 
> clear at the bottom for the footer.
> 
> The problem is that in IE the wrappers expand to hold the float which
>  they shouldn't.  If you pull this page up in IE and FF you'll see 
> the difference in the backgrounds.

> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/test.html

I've looked at this page before, and the problem seems to be that you
can't avoid triggering 'hasLayout'[1] since #page-area must have a
'width'. That'll cause the containers to expand to include all floats,
and ruin the whole idea.

Should be possible to work out a solution, but I'm short of ideas, and
time, right now.

Georg

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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Ingo Chao
Nicholas Morgan wrote:

> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/layout_behavior.gif
> 
> I drew it out.  All I want is for the Navigation which is static and  
> the content area which is floated to act independently of each  
> other.  Since the page wrapper contains the footer the clear catches  
> the main-content block and expands page-wrapper for faux column effect.
> 
> My main issue is that in IE the non-floated wrappers expand to  
> contain the floated main-content.


We have discussed this IE/Win problem in
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/acidicfloat.html

As long as your float is wrapped in container that have "layout", they 
will expand to contain the float.

(If you try to counteract this by position:relative/overflow hacks for 
IE, then the float leaves the wrapper, but becomes "invisible" for 
subsequent clearing elements, since it would be taken completely out of 
the flow, similar to absolute positioning.)

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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Nicholas Morgan
Thanks for your reply Ian.

Here is a link to what I am talking about

http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/layout_behavior.gif

I drew it out.  All I want is for the Navigation which is static and  
the content area which is floated to act independently of each  
other.  Since the page wrapper contains the footer the clear catches  
the main-content block and expands page-wrapper for faux column effect.

My main issue is that in IE the non-floated wrappers expand to  
contain the floated main-content.

Nick


On Jun 22, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Ian Young wrote:
>
> I guess I am being thick here as I am not sure what you are trying  
> to do.
> But FF is not rendering properly either on my machine
> Background images stops about half way down the page and wrapper  
> pops out
> over background.
>
> Couple of suggestions, the css is based on lots of background  
> images so hard
> to see where problem is. Go back a few steps and get the  
> overalllayout with
> the columns working first and then build other images in one at a  
> time. On
> that basis is looks like a faux column issue but there again
>
> Ian
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Re: [css-d] 3 Column Layout, 2 Right Columns with Expanding Left

2006-06-22 Thread bj
>At my site http://digifiend.com , I have a 3 column layout with the
>content on the left and two side columns.  I'd like to keep the
>positions of all the elements

I've used Zoe's simple neg margin layout for this in the past:
http://www.pixelsurge.com/experiment/negative_margins_2.html

Simply make the current right column slightly more than double the width of the 
two columns you want in there(to give %$#@ IE some wiggle room) then create two 
divs to sit side by side in there. I added a full header and a full footer to 
this outside the wrapper. It worked very well.

Hope that helps!
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Re: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Ian Young
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Subject: [css-d] Is this unsolvable?
>
>
> I even considered, since I could seem to find a div solution, a
> tabular solution *oh no this guy is sick in the head* but even the
> test cases I run on that are not favorable in IE.
>
> The idea is that the background expands and contracts bases on the
> nav's height.  Since the float is supposed to be taken out of the
> flow of the page this shouldn't be a problem.  And then setting the
> clear at the bottom for the footer.
>
> The problem is that in IE the wrappers expand to hold the float which
> they shouldn't.  If you pull this page up in IE and FF you'll see the
> difference in the backgrounds.
>
> Yeah I admit I'm stumped.
>
> I tried setting the heights of the containing wrappers to 1% for IE
> only and setting the line height. Any other suggestions?
>
> Here is the url for the page:
>
> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/test.html
>
> stylesheets:
>
> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/generic.css
> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/layout.css
> http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/ie.css
>
> Problem only shows up with IE.  Expected effect is in Firefox.
>
> Please advise.

I guess I am being thick here as I am not sure what you are trying to do.
But FF is not rendering properly either on my machine
Background images stops about half way down the page and wrapper pops out
over background.

Couple of suggestions, the css is based on lots of background images so hard
to see where problem is. Go back a few steps and get the overalllayout with
the columns working first and then build other images in one at a time. On
that basis is looks like a faux column issue but there again

Ian
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[css-d] Is this unsolvable?

2006-06-22 Thread Nicholas Morgan
I even considered, since I could seem to find a div solution, a  
tabular solution *oh no this guy is sick in the head* but even the  
test cases I run on that are not favorable in IE.

The idea is that the background expands and contracts bases on the  
nav's height.  Since the float is supposed to be taken out of the  
flow of the page this shouldn't be a problem.  And then setting the  
clear at the bottom for the footer.

The problem is that in IE the wrappers expand to hold the float which  
they shouldn't.  If you pull this page up in IE and FF you'll see the  
difference in the backgrounds.

Yeah I admit I'm stumped.

I tried setting the heights of the containing wrappers to 1% for IE
only and setting the line height. Any other suggestions?

Here is the url for the page:

http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/test.html

stylesheets:

http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/generic.css
http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/layout.css
http://rochoet.newcitymedia.com/css/ie.css

Problem only shows up with IE.  Expected effect is in Firefox.

Please advise.

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[css-d] background

2006-06-22 Thread Andrea Black
I believe the problem is that you are trying to use a png. Try using a
.gif or .jpg instead. IE doesn't make friends with .png's I find.

Hope this helps!
- Lacuna

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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Tuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [css-d] background
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I have a column that I am trying to fill the
background with an image, but I can't get it to work
right. Here is the css for that column.

#middleColumn
{
position: absolute;
top: 45px;
left: 3%;
height: 100%;
width: 800px;
background: url(../images/middleWhiteBg.png)
repeat-y;
}

In Firefox the background displays correctly except on
one page
http://www.mplsfarmersmarket.com/beta/history.html
where the background stops repeating, but in IE 6, the
background doesn't repeat at all it seems. I can set
the height at 1000px, but then there is extra space on
short pages, and on long ones you are limited to
space.

Does someone have a better way to get the background
image to repeat so that the it fills the whole page in
both IE and Firefox?


Thanks,

Mike
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[css-d] horisontal nav-list not in ie

2006-06-22 Thread Eystein Alnaes
I'm having a problem with a nav-list not rendering horisontal in IE5.x and
7b2. (I don't have IE6 anymore thanks to IE7 :/ )
Using sliding doors expands the li's to the full width of the parent
element, which I believe they shouldn't. I'm using typical markup:


link 1
.
.


with css:

ul#tabs {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
float: left;
}
ul#tabs li {
float: left;
background: url(/Media/Common/Tabs/left_inactive.gif) no-repeat top
left;
margin: 0 2px 0 0;
padding: 0 0 0 5px;
}
ul#tabs li a {
display: block;
float: left;
font-size: 14px;
height: 20px;
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
background: url(/Media/Common/Tabs/right_inactive.gif) top right
no-repeat;
padding: 0 10px 0 5px;
}

Sorry for not linking to the site, but the server is closed for out-of-house
connections.

Eystein
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
YES YES happy happy joy joy.

Thanks Ian, your tip started the fix .. I finally fixed IE, and after
broken FF I fixed it too.

Now I have only 1 more IE quirk to fix in a similar page ...

Thanks again for all the help

On 6/22/06, Marcelo Wolfgang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sorry, the correct adresses are:
>
> http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home_ienoborder.html
> http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home_ieborder.html
>
> Also with no border the badge won't shows up ...
>
> On 6/22/06, Marcelo Wolfgang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok,
> >
> > I'm becoming more lost, and really hating IE 6 !!!
> >
> > I did what you told me, well it " worked ".
> >
> > The right side panel, was pushed to the bottom of the div, and even if
> > I increase the width of the div it won't go to the top anymore.
> > Also if I give him a border: 1px solid black attribute  the  is
> > on the right side, if I remove the border, the  is on the left
> > side ...
> >
> > check out at:
> > http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/html/home_ienoborder.html
> > and
> > file:///F:/My%20Works/vilarigno/html/home_ieborder.html
> >
> > I really don't get what's happening here. Please help
> > (and if someone has any tip why the sleight.js - to do the png
> > transparency stopped working, I appreciate )
> >
> > Grillo
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/22/06, Ian Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Actually, just got worse .. the badge isn't displaying anymore ...
> > > >
> > > Two things strike me here - position:absolute if removed, image becomes
> > > visible but also the image itself is not wrapped in any div
> > >
> > > line 152 you have   , if you 
> > > remove  and put
> > > that after the  c_badge div it might help
> > >
> > > Ian
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
sorry, the correct adresses are:

http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home_ienoborder.html
http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home_ieborder.html

Also with no border the badge won't shows up ...

On 6/22/06, Marcelo Wolfgang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok,
>
> I'm becoming more lost, and really hating IE 6 !!!
>
> I did what you told me, well it " worked ".
>
> The right side panel, was pushed to the bottom of the div, and even if
> I increase the width of the div it won't go to the top anymore.
> Also if I give him a border: 1px solid black attribute  the  is
> on the right side, if I remove the border, the  is on the left
> side ...
>
> check out at:
> http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/html/home_ienoborder.html
> and
> file:///F:/My%20Works/vilarigno/html/home_ieborder.html
>
> I really don't get what's happening here. Please help
> (and if someone has any tip why the sleight.js - to do the png
> transparency stopped working, I appreciate )
>
> Grillo
>
>
>
> On 6/22/06, Ian Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Actually, just got worse .. the badge isn't displaying anymore ...
> > >
> > Two things strike me here - position:absolute if removed, image becomes
> > visible but also the image itself is not wrapped in any div
> >
> > line 152 you have   , if you 
> > remove  and put
> > that after the  c_badge div it might help
> >
> > Ian
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
Ok,

I'm becoming more lost, and really hating IE 6 !!!

I did what you told me, well it " worked ".

The right side panel, was pushed to the bottom of the div, and even if
I increase the width of the div it won't go to the top anymore.
Also if I give him a border: 1px solid black attribute  the  is
on the right side, if I remove the border, the  is on the left
side ...

check out at:
http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/html/home_ienoborder.html
and
file:///F:/My%20Works/vilarigno/html/home_ieborder.html

I really don't get what's happening here. Please help
(and if someone has any tip why the sleight.js - to do the png
transparency stopped working, I appreciate )

Grillo



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> > Actually, just got worse .. the badge isn't displaying anymore ...
> >
> Two things strike me here - position:absolute if removed, image becomes
> visible but also the image itself is not wrapped in any div
>
> line 152 you have   , if you 
> remove  and put
> that after the  c_badge div it might help
>
> Ian
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Ian Young
> Actually, just got worse .. the badge isn't displaying anymore ...
>
Two things strike me here - position:absolute if removed, image becomes
visible but also the image itself is not wrapped in any div

line 152 you have   , if you remove 
 and put
that after the  c_badge div it might help

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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
Actually, just got worse .. the badge isn't displaying anymore ...

All the change I did was to move a  tag before of a 
because the validation was saying it wasn't closed ...

weird

On 6/22/06, Marcelo Wolfgang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just went through the xhtml and css validators on w3c and the only
> errors pointed out in the css is the star hack nothing more ...
>
> still the position:absolute error persists.
>
> On 6/22/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Grillo,
> >
> > Try validating your page - I had a similar problem recently and when I
> > ran a validator (an extension to FF, btw) I found a couple of things
> > that were fixed and the page worked in IE.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Riva
> >
> > Marcelo Wolfgang wrote:
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > I've searched for this error in the wiki and couldn't find any
> > > specific information about this.
> > >
> > > I have this page:
> > >
> > > http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home.html
> > >
> > > and IE 6 isn't respecting the position:absolute of the badge... it
> > > works fine in FF and IE 7.
> > >
> > > Can someone take a look a share any clue why this is happening ?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Grillo
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
Hi,

Just went through the xhtml and css validators on w3c and the only
errors pointed out in the css is the star hack nothing more ...

still the position:absolute error persists.

On 6/22/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Grillo,
>
> Try validating your page - I had a similar problem recently and when I
> ran a validator (an extension to FF, btw) I found a couple of things
> that were fixed and the page worked in IE.
>
> HTH,
> Riva
>
> Marcelo Wolfgang wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I've searched for this error in the wiki and couldn't find any
> > specific information about this.
> >
> > I have this page:
> >
> > http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home.html
> >
> > and IE 6 isn't respecting the position:absolute of the badge... it
> > works fine in FF and IE 7.
> >
> > Can someone take a look a share any clue why this is happening ?
> >
> > TIA
> > Grillo
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Re: [css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Portman
Hi Grillo,

Try validating your page - I had a similar problem recently and when I 
ran a validator (an extension to FF, btw) I found a couple of things 
that were fixed and the page worked in IE.

HTH,
Riva

Marcelo Wolfgang wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I've searched for this error in the wiki and couldn't find any
> specific information about this.
>
> I have this page:
>
> http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home.html
>
> and IE 6 isn't respecting the position:absolute of the badge... it
> works fine in FF and IE 7.
>
> Can someone take a look a share any clue why this is happening ?
>
> TIA
> Grillo
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[css-d] IE 6 postion:absolute problem

2006-06-22 Thread Marcelo Wolfgang
Hi list,

I've searched for this error in the wiki and couldn't find any
specific information about this.

I have this page:

http://work.grillo.tk/vilarigno/home.html

and IE 6 isn't respecting the position:absolute of the badge... it
works fine in FF and IE 7.

Can someone take a look a share any clue why this is happening ?

TIA
Grillo
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Re: [css-d] IE moving content

2006-06-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Gould, Adrian wrote:

> See the problem in IE ONLY at http://it.swantafe.wa.edu.au - and fee 
> free to let me know how bad it is [LOL].

Basic problem seems to be related to nav-list dropdown affecting
container-height.

One way to fix it - in the source-code...

  
 





I didn't bother to look for the exact bug. IE have several bugs related
to 'positioning', that can be fixed by a *solid* separator/clearer.

---

You have clearly not tested with any font-resizing option in any
browser, so it is bad... :-)

1: You have triggered the "em font-resizing bug" in IE/win...


Add...
html {font-size: 100%;}
...to fix that.


2: Footer can't expand with font-resizing (except in IE, of course).

Add...
#footer {display: table;}
...to avoid overflow in Opera, Firefox etc.


3: Repetitive use of h1 in a page isn't regarded as "proper".
At least, give the h1 in mainBody a decent line-height, to avoid
overlapping if/when it wraps into two (or more) lines.


The rest... ...doesn't look too bad... ;-)

regards
Georg
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[css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: The best way to create the site map

2006-06-22 Thread Alex Robinson
At 06:10 +0200 22/6/06, Igor wrote:
>Hi everybody!
>
>What is the best way to create the site map?


The best way is to ask on a list that deals with general issues of 
web development, not one focused on the practical use of CSS.

Just to be clear, creating a site map has nothing to do with CSS and 
consequently no place on this list.

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=OffTopic
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=PostingGuidelines


If, once you have figured out how to create your site map, you have 
questions that relate to styling it, please don't hesitate to post 
such questions to the list.


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[css-d] [ADMIN - OFF TOPIC] Re: Somewhat off-topic

2006-06-22 Thread Alex Robinson
>OMG! Lol! Nce, thanks for sharing.  :D

Actually, thanks for not sharing.

There are plenty of place on the interweb to find and exchange such 
things but this list isn't one of them.


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[css-d] IE moving content

2006-06-22 Thread Gould, Adrian
Hi everyone

I've hit a problem with a web site moving the content of the main body
down the page by about 65px.

I have a main css and an ie specific (hacks) css file, but nothing seems
to fix the issue.

I am using the Son of Suckerfish to get the rollowvers on the menu.

See the problem in IE ONLY at http://it.swantafe.wa.edu.au - and fee
free to let me know how bad it is [LOL].

Thanks

Ady


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Re: [css-d] 3 Column Layout, 2 Right Columns with Expanding Left Column Question

2006-06-22 Thread Darrin Hawe
From: David Laakso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Usually best to stick to floats rather than absolute position for
layout. This float layout has a fluid left col and the center and right
col are fixed width. See what you think: 

Might be a good idea to develop at 800 (but remember me and my twisted
sister need to read it at 1280 and up)  so you don't overshoot the
width-- 275px wide each for the two fixed columns may be a little too
wide.
Best,
~dL


Hi David:

Thanks for the layout link.  I was able to modify my site properly and
am considering column widths now.  Thanks again!

-Darrin
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