Re: [css-d] Page Centering and New Question

2007-02-27 Thread Martha H. Bowes, CLTC
Thanks for all the help! Now that my page is centered in the browser  
windows, how can I color the outside margins. I think I want the  
center to stay white so I don't have to fiddle with compatibility  
with the already chosen text colors, unless everyone says, no, no,  
don't ever have a white background (for some reason).

Also, the style code for the footnotes isn't working in IE 7 as it  
should (or at least, as I'd like it to), with a serif font:

sce {
color: #99;
font-size: 75%;
font-weight: bold;
font-family: Times New Roman, Times, serif;
}

Another thing I notice is the link menu has too much space between  
the lines and text in IE 7 compared to Safari.

http://www.bowesltc.com

I am open to any more overall design suggestions. I would like this  
to look as professional as possible on this do-it-myself budget. I am  
not wedded to the tree photo as opposed to something else there, or  
to the link menu as is, but I don't have a lot of time to really  
rewrite things as opposed to tweaking.

Martha
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Re: [css-d] Content flow issue

2007-02-27 Thread Amy Ostrom
Dear Ingo:

Thank you!  That fixed it in IE 6 and 7, but still slightly off in Firefox.
I'm going to read up on this Quirksmode article that was suggested and see
what that has to offer too.

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Amy M Ostrom
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On 2/27/07, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Amy Ostrom wrote:
  ...  My issue is with floats not clearing
  completely so things start to stack. ...
  Examples:
  http://jocobusiness.jocolibrary.org/templates/JCL_Booklist.aspx?id=771
  http://jocobusiness.jocolibrary.org/templates/JCL_Booklist.aspx?id=731
 
  CSS:
  http://e.jocolibrary.org/business/s/templates.css

 I am not sure about the question since you are not clearing at all.
 Maybe Option 2 in [1] is what you need.

 Apply the complete code to the end of your templates.css stylesheet and
 change .clearfix to .booklistitem

 Ingo

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[css-d] POOF! Background image on link goes away in IE!

2007-02-27 Thread wilsoncpu
  I have a short test program for this issue at 
http://runwithmcp.org/poof.html, with entire code below.
 I have an external link style defined, and all is well in FireFox. But in IE6 
if the link wraps around an end-of-line, the background image vanishes! It 
comes back as soon as the link is on a single line. I've tried several IE 
voodoo-hacks (adding position: relative, etc.) with no success. Is there a 
way to make this work in IE? (To see it, load the page and change the window 
width until the link breaks.)
 Weird. (But it's IE, so that's redundant.)
 
 Complete code:
 
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
 html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
 head
 meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 /
 titleDisappearing Graphic/title
 style type=text/css
 !--
 #content a.outside_link {padding-left: 12px; background: 
url(images/external.gif) 2px 2px no-repeat;}
 /* background image in link disappears in IE when link goes across end-of-line 
*/
 #content a.outside_link:hover {text-decoration: underline;}
 --
 /style
 /head
 
 body
 div id=content
 pCarderock is just north of the Beltway on the Maryland side of the Potomac. 
You should take Beltway Exit 41. Directions are available at the Carderock 
Recreation Area, or use this a class=outside_link href=#this Google Map 
link/a and use the Directions to feature with your own requirements.
 /p
 /div
 /body
 /html
 
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[css-d] Vanishing divs in IE6

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Galatis
Hi,

I am developing a page that includes a small piece of
javascript that make div appear or dissapear. This
works perfectly on this page when 'info' is clicked
next to each song:
http://www.kateluckhille.com/index.php/music/

But when I change the layout in another section:
http://www.kateluckhille.com/index.php/soundfactory/
the songs dissapear as one hovers over them in IE6.

Does anyone have any ideas? I have removed the
Javascript  element and it still happens so I assume
it is the css. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards.

I am Paul
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Re: [css-d] POOF! Background image on link goes away in IE!

2007-02-27 Thread Ingo Chao
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I have a short test program for this issue at 
 http://runwithmcp.org/poof.html, with entire code below.
  I have an external link style defined, and all is well in FireFox. But in 
 IE6 if the link wraps around an end-of-line, the background image vanishes! 
 It comes back as soon as the link is on a single line. I've tried several IE 
 voodoo-hacks (adding position: relative, etc.) with no success. Is there a 
 way to make this work in IE? (To see it, load the page and change the window 
 width until the link breaks.)
  Weird. (But it's IE, so that's redundant.)

There is no CSS-only fix, and it is not a bug. The positioning of the 
background-image on inline elements is just not defined in CSS2.1 [1].

IE seems to follow the 'bounding-box' model for the 'background-break' 
property (CSS3) [2].

Ingo

[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/wrappinglinkbg.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#background-break
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Re: [css-d] Background color on form w/ fieldset

2007-02-27 Thread francky
Ingo Chao wrote:
 Unicorn Design wrote:
   
 http://www.excellenterprisesllc.com/contact.php
 
 The problem is demoized here [1].

 I think a fix could be to pull the legend with a negative margin, apply 
 position:relative to fix the clipping, and to apply position:relative to 
 the fieldset in order to fix the positioning of the legend itself. Sigh.

 In your Conditional Comment:
   
 #email fieldset { position:relative; }
 #email legend { position:relative; margin-top: -1em; }

 And remove the first br before the legend.

 Ingo

 [1] 
 http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/styling-form-controls-revisited/fieldset/

   
Hi Denise,
Yes, a good fix (hear, hear, Ingo). - In practice it turns out to be a 
margin-top of -1.55em in this case. And the legend is even maintaining 
it's position in IE at different resolutions: pff! ;-)
Addendum: also a bit extra margin-bottom for the #email legend appears 
to be needed for IE, to compensate the upwards shifting.
So besides the #email fieldset { P:R; } our never satisfied glutton 
wants to eat in the Cond.Comm.:

#email legend { 
position:relative;
margin-top: -1.55em;
margin-bottom: 10px;
}
  

Tested in IE6 under WinXP: testpage 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-legend-in-form.htm

Greetings,
francky

btw:
Filling the empty label/label with a

labelnbsp;/label

 is pushing the Submit Button under the text area in not-IE.


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[css-d] Netscape 7/AOL Float Issue in 3-Column Layout

2007-02-27 Thread Meaghen Lewis
Appreciate any help anyone can give. I¹m on the verge of switching to tables
and feeling sort of desperate after spending two days on this one issue.
This is my first real CSS layout and perhaps I bit off more than I can chew.

THE INFO:
Here is the link to the site in question:
http://www.onmontauk.com/index-test.shtml

Here is my CSS:
http://www.onmontauk.com/cssstyles.css

Here are screen shots of what is happening:
http://www.onmontauk.com/screenshots.html

I have several containers:
-Wrapper
-Outer (has large borders over which side1 and side2 float to create the
column effect)
-Inner (contains side1, content, and side2 all floated left)

THE PROBLEM
In Netscape and AOL the Outer layer doesn¹t stretch to fit the contents of
Inner to create the appearance that all three columns are same height.

WHAT I¹VE TRIED
-HTML and CSS were validated no errors
-I¹ve tried every possible combination of absolute and relative positioning
I can think of
-I started with the variation on Douglas Livingstone¹s 3-column layout
provided in The CSS Anthology by Rachel Andrew. I¹ve tried the variations
provided by Alan Pearce at www.alistapart.com/ (his example did not work in
Netscape either http://alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlayouts)
-I¹ve searched for Netscape hacks specific to this issue and found none
-I've removed Inner and used Outer only, but this caused issues with the
footer

I really appreciate your time.

Thank you,
Meaghen


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[css-d] layout breaks in IE 6

2007-02-27 Thread Mike Breiding


The following layout breaks in IE 6.o
http://montrails.org/
http://montrails.org/mrtc_style.css

Any suggestion on how to fix this would be appreciated.

-Mike
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[css-d] FW: Adjacent siblings

2007-02-27 Thread Bill Hely

OK, my boo-boo, I had the Firefox tab set to use the IE rendering
engine. Once switched back it works fine.

However, without IE6 support that CSS formatting trick is no use
to me.

Anyone got any ideas about another (IE6-compatible) way to apply
formatting to an element, conditional upon the nature of the
preceding sibling?

TIA
 - Bill


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 On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:33 AM, Bill Hely wrote:

  H3  {
  margin-bottom: 0px;
  padding-bottom: 0px;
  }
  H3+p{
  margin-top: 0px;
  padding-top: 0px;
  }
 
  There should be no margin/padding between any H3 and the
  paragraph following it. So in...
 
  [H3]Subheading[/H3]
  [p]This is a paragraph after the subhead.[/p]
 
  ...the two lines of text should be (vertically) hard up
against
  each other.
 
  Yet in both Firefox and IE6 they are spaced apart.
 
  Does this adjacent siblings thing actually work?

 Test case URL, please ?
 Those selectors work very well in Firefox, Opera, Safari,
Konqueror,
 iCab, etc.
 They *don't* work in IE 6 (no support for that kind of
selector, bug
 fixed in IE 7).

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Re: [css-d] Vanishing divs in IE6

2007-02-27 Thread francky
Paul Galatis schreef:
 Hi,

 I am developing a page that includes a small piece of
 javascript that make div appear or dissapear. This
 works perfectly on this page when 'info' is clicked
 next to each song:
 http://www.kateluckhille.com/index.php/music/

 But when I change the layout in another section:
 http://www.kateluckhille.com/index.php/soundfactory/
 the songs dissapear as one hovers over them in IE6.

 Does anyone have any ideas? I have removed the
 Javascript  element and it still happens so I assume
 it is the css. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 Kind regards.

 I am Paul

Hi Paul,
1. The Music page.
First I couldn't see at all the 'info' links to click on. Had to go in 
the source code to see where they must be. Back to screen, and found 
them! But on my CRT monitor these dark colored text links on the dark 
background are hardly visible. This is not only due to the too small 
contrast in the darks [1], but extra because of the very bright white of 
the top img, which is so brilliant that all details in brightness in the 
dark disappear. Scrolling upwards and hiding the top img is a bit 
better, but still almost impossible to see the Info links. Especially if 
the visitor doesn't know there are Info links!

2. The Soundfactory page.
Here the Info tags are missing in the html at the moment - also FF 
doesn't display anything...
Should be good to check the html-validator too: 5 missing /div's found.

- If repaired, we can have a look what is going on in IE. Or maybe the 
problem is solved automatically! :-)

Success,
francky

[1]
See Colour Contrast Analyser 
http://juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.php
Result is far below usability (not to speak about accessibility!), see 
screenshot results 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/images/test-colorcontrast.gif
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Re: [css-d] FW: Adjacent siblings

2007-02-27 Thread francky
Bill Hely schreef:
 OK, my boo-boo, I had the Firefox tab set to use the IE rendering
 engine. Once switched back it works fine.

 However, without IE6 support that CSS formatting trick is no use
 to me.

 Anyone got any ideas about another (IE6-compatible) way to apply
 formatting to an element, conditional upon the nature of the
 preceding sibling?

 TIA
  - Bill
Hi Bill,
If a separate use of the h3 is not needed, maybe a negative 
margin-bottom for the h3?

p  { padding: 0; margin: 10px 0; }
h3 { padding: 0; margin: 20px 0 -10px 0; }

Greetings,
francky

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Re: [css-d] POOF! Background image on link goes away in IE!

2007-02-27 Thread wilsoncpu
  Excellent! I used span tags rather than u, but the effect was the same. 
If I don't want to do the updates by hand, all is not lost: it's a dynamic site 
(PHP), so if need be I can run all text through a link-fixer before displaying 
it. For now, I'll do it manually. (Count me as another person who thought 
first-word was going to be in the specification because some older CSS books 
mentioned it as a coming thing; too bad it never arrived, would've fit this 
situation perfectly! (Heck, having thought of that, I tried :first-letter, but 
it doesn't apply to non-block elements like my links. Foo.)
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 Sent: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 6:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [css-d] POOF! Background image on link goes away in IE!
 
  Ingo Chao wrote: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   [...] issue at http://runwithmcp.org/poof.html 
  [...] in IE6 if the link wraps around an end-of-line, the background image 
  vanishes!  [...] I've tried several IE voodoo-hacks ... 
  [...] 
   There is no CSS-only fix, and it is not a bug. The positioning of the  
   background-image on inline elements is just not defined in CSS2.1 [1]. 
  
  IE seems to follow the 'bounding-box' model for the 'background-break'  
  property (CSS3) [2]. 
  
  Ingo 
  
  [1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/wrappinglinkbg.html 
  [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#background-break 
  Hi Mark, 
 Some months ago I was Voodoo-ing IE as well for this problem, and found a 
dirty trick. 
 
 * 
 
 CSS workaround for external link with small icon 
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-link-iconEN.htm 
 
 Can be used without scripting (css/html only): most handy if a new site/page 
(fresh html) is started. Or otherwise some work by hand, to change html (all 
external links have to be adapted). Small site, small problem; big amount of 
external links, big problem. ;-) 
 And who knows, maybe also good starting point for a script builder to 
implement on existing sites. 
 
 Hope you can use some of this, 
 Success and greetings, 
 francky 
   

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[css-d] Holy Grail issues

2007-02-27 Thread David Sharp
I am using the holy grail http://www.alistapart.com/articles/holygrail 
layout for a site because I want the source code in a particular order.

The site is here http://www.syntony.org/

In IE6 strange things start to happen when the window becomes very small 
- the left sidebar (called #series_nav due to what will be there when 
the construction notice is removed) moves across over the center column 
- sometimes it snaps back, but at very small sizes it doesn't.

I have a script running to simulate min/max width which may also be 
complicating the issue. I know negative margins are a bit of a lottery 
with older browsers - perhaps I need to try another layout.

I am using an innerwrapper to add padding to the center column because 
when I add padding to the element itself (again following along with the 
holy grail tutorial) the 100% + padding seems to cause the #content_wrap 
to become 20px (the total padding) wider than the width of the window. 
This is a problem because the right hand vertical dots are positioned 
using a 220px wide image (mostly white) aligned with the right edge of 
#content_wrap. Besides which the horizontal scroll bar is annoying. As I 
said, I have fixed this issue with an extra div, but the cause is still 
bugging me. Did I miss something, or is this a known issue with the grail?

On an unrelated matter, I noticed in FF1.0 the hr / I am using to 
clear #content_wrap doesn't when its height is declared in the CSS as 
height : 0
I have already set visiblity to hidden, and border-width to 0, do I need 
the height declaration for some browsers, or can I leave it out? FF1.5 
seems to be fine.

cheers,
David
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Re: [css-d] Holy Grail issues

2007-02-27 Thread David Sharp
David Sharp wrote:
 I am using the holy grail http://www.alistapart.com/articles/holygrail 
 layout for a site because I want the source code in a particular order.

 The site is here http://www.syntony.org/

   
One more thing. IE7 (and maybe 6 as well - I haven't checked) seems to 
eat all my content without a hasLayout trigger on #content_wrap. I am 
currently using zoom : 1 but I would rather have the CSS validate. Is 
there another option? Again, this was something not mentioned in the 
article.

Thanks
David
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[css-d] Background-image at end of a link not displaying properly when there's a line break in IE

2007-02-27 Thread Allison Bloodworth
Hi, 

I am having a problem where a background-image at end of an a link is not
displaying properly in IE when it contains a line break. See
http://technology.berkeley.edu/msvista/, and after links like Minimum
Security Standards, significant hardware investment, and UC Berkeley
BearShare Windows Vista site there should be a little offsite icon,
similar to the one wikipedia uses. In IE when these links have a line break
in between them somewhere, it seems that IE tries to display the offsite
icon at the end of the first line that has part of the link in it, not at
the end of the link where I'd like it to be. When it does this, it almost
always displays a partial version of the icon, which looks very strange. You
may have to re-size your window to cause a line break in the middle of the
link to see this behavior. 

The HTML in question is:

a
href=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/ca
pable.mspx class=offsite
significant hardware investment/a

And the CSS is: 
a.offsite   {
padding-right: 15px;
background-image: url(/images/offsite.gif);
background-position: right center;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}

I've found a way to make the full icon appear, though it still appears at
the point of the line break in the middle of a link. To do this, in the
a.offsite style I changed: 

background-position: right center; 

To:

background-position: 100% 0%; 

This solution is definitely not ideal because the icon overlaps the last
letter on the end of the first line, and there is an empty space where the
icon should really be right after the link. 

Is there any way to make Internet Explorer display this background-image
correctly? It seems to be a problem with all versions, including 7.0.

Thanks for any help you can give me!

Allison Bloodworth
Principal Administrative Analyst
Technology Program Office
University of California, Berkeley
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[css-d] Netscape/AOL Float Issue 3-Column

2007-02-27 Thread Meaghen Lewis

 In Netscape and AOL the Outer layer doesn?t stretch to fit the contents of
 Inner to create the appearance that all three columns are same height. ...

In older Geckos like N7, the solid clearing element must not be empty.
Adding a nbsp may help
   div class=clearnbsp;/div
Ingo

Ingo ­ you are  genius. Thank you so much. That fixed it.
Meaghen
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Re: [css-d] Website test please!! (44)

2007-02-27 Thread keno2
Hi list,

Could I please have a cross browser check!!

I have a positioning problem with the index page navigation
and the alignment of the pic squares in the site map page in FF 1.5 and 
IE 6


http://users.ncable.net.au/~keno2/index.html  Site address

http://users.ncable.net.au/~keno2/JRA.css main page

http://users.ncable.net.au/~keno2/corners.css sub pages

Thanks in advance,

Ken.

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