Re: [css-d] Pure CSS Popups IE bug

2007-04-23 Thread Bruno Fassino
Jeff Olin wrote:

 I'm using Eric Meyer's Pure CSS Popups approach on my links page. I
 have 3 sections on the same page; each section has its own set of
 links and its own area for the popups. I want the popups to be
 centered on the page, but IE7 pushes the text to the right for the
 first two sections (the last section is centered). Firefox 2.0 renders
 all 3 sections fine.

 Here is the page:
 http://cgmaille.com/test/links-test.html

The first thing I would try is to give hasLayout to your relative boxes
acting as reference for the absolutely positioned popups since IE has many
problems with non-hasLayout relative containing blocks [1].
So try with  .links { zoom: 1 } and see if things become better.

BTW, in my IE6 the popups seem not to work at all, usually an extra hover
rule like
.links a:hover { border-width: 0; }  gives IE6 a wake-up.

Hth,
Bruno

[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html#rp


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[css-d] horizontal link menu -browser check

2007-04-23 Thread Robert Lane
http://tinyurl.com/yq8nwz

I have been trying to set this up with a horizontal li menu - it seems 
to be looking right in Firefox and IE7.  Am wondering if the styles I 
have on here will hold up over other browsers.  I know there will be 
issues if someone increases the text size, but am not sure how to deal 
with that in a horizontal menu like this.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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[css-d] Span tags set to not display make containing div not display

2007-04-23 Thread Dave M G
CSS-d,

I have a div, ul, and span tags set up like this:

div id=test
spanI don't want this seen/span
ul
lia list thing/li
/ul
/div

My CSS declares:
#test span {
display: none
}

What I want is for the ul list to show, but not the text inside the 
span tags.

But instead what happens is that everything inside the div does not 
display.

Shouldn't the CSS apply to within the span tag, and leave the ul 
tag, which comes after the closing /span, alone?

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[css-d] Boxes and Height

2007-04-23 Thread Richard Brown
Hi All

I recently asked for help on a site of mine regarding the height of
boxes. I had many helpful replies. I realised that there were
different techniques for doing what I was trying to achieve. Here are
the results so far:
http://www.swmug.co.uk/page-box/
One div used. Allowing the box to expand to any height.
http://www.swmug.co.uk/page-dl/
DL and DT used to create the boxes
http://www.swmug.co.uk/home-li/
One div used. Restricting the size of the box and using overflow: auto.
http://www.swmug.co.uk/page-table/
Table used.

All css is in this file:
http://www.swmug.co.uk/wp-content/themes/snails/style.css

What do you think is the best method please? The one that meets all
accessible standards, font sizing and looks right in all browsers
please? Which method would you encourage? Is there a right method in
different places?

Many thanks.
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Re: [css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-23 Thread Simon White
 I don't think there's anything you can do in the browser.  
 Font smoothing is called the ClearType Tuning tool in Windows 
 and it wasn't included automatically in IE 6 or Win XP.  It 
 is included automatically with IE 7.  This affects the whole 
 OS, not just the browser.  It's a utility you can run to 
 customize the settings and makes a big difference in viewing 
 text on a LCD.
 
 I just tell my users to get it from Microsoft and install it ;-)

This is a big issue for those using CRT (regular monitors, not LCDs). ClearType 
is only any use on LCD panels since it uses subpixel rendering, which doesn't 
exist on CRTs.

So, in IE7 on a CRT monitor you have to switch it off, because otherwise the 
text is (in my opinion) harder to read, and looks pretty awful.

Elsewhere in the thread someone already pointed out, correctly, that if you set 
up ClearType for the whole OS, then you get smoothed fonts in all applications, 
including Firefox.

Making IE7 have ClearType on by default therefore both annoys people with CRTs 
(unless their eyesight isn't great, in which case it may appear better to them) 
and makes people think IE7 is better because it has font smoothing, when in 
fact any application can have it.

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Re: [css-d] IE 6 ignoring bottom margin for very last list item

2007-04-23 Thread Bruno Fassino
On 4/22/07, Jason Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i ran into an issue trying to display some list items with images.
 the bottom margin for the last list item does not show in ie 6.

  is this a bug for floated list items with images? if so, what needs
 to be done so that it shows correctly in ie.

  heres my code:
[...]

I haven't tested with your code, but AFAIK IE/Win indeed loses a
float's bottom margin when the float is enclosed without using an
explicit cleared element (for example using a floated container, as
you did.)  If you don't want to add a clearing element in the markup
you can try using a padding-bottom on the container instead of
margin-bottom on the float...

Hth,
Bruno

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[css-d] border disappears!

2007-04-23 Thread Joel Finnström

Hello everybody

I'm having an IE based problem with the following site. The thing is 
that parts of the double border around the main content area disappears 
when you scroll or resize the window. If you refresh the border is there 
again. Quite odd!!


http://www.joelfinnstrom.se/playground/webbhuset/arvidsson/

Any help or tips is very very welcomed!

/Joel Finnström
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[css-d] menu affect

2007-04-23 Thread Terry O'Leary
HI Guys

I'm wanting to produce a menu type affect that when a user rollsover a menu
item an image slide out of the menu (similar to a drop down) I dont want
this image to do anything just slide in and out of view depending o nthe
hovering.

Can anyone suggest a site that has implemented this affect (primarily in
css) but flash or ajax would be fine!

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Re: [css-d] Content truncation in IE6 (re-post)

2007-04-23 Thread James Leslie

I have two columns side by side, and under some circumstances the left
column is being cut off level with the bottom of the right column - it
only seems to manifest when the left column is longer, so I never see
this truncation in the right column. It only happens in IE6. It
occasionally happens when the page is loaded for the first time for a
given client browser.


Hi Ian,

I have had a very similar sounding problem, that to be honest I still
don't really understand. I searched online and the closest thing I found
a bug for this was the 'ALA cut-off bug', though for me the 'cures' did
not fix it. 
I found in the end that applying position:relative; to the column that
cut off seems to fix it. I got there largely through luck and through
thinking that it was vaguely similar to the peekaboo bug, so tried that
work around. 

So I can't explain why (aside from a usual bad tempered IE6 rant), but
maybe this will work for you?

Hope it helps,

James
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Re: [css-d] Span tags set to not display make containing div not display

2007-04-23 Thread Roger Roelofs
Dave,

On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:47 AM, Dave M G wrote:

 CSS-d,

 I have a div, ul, and span tags set up like this:

 div id=test
 spanI don't want this seen/span
 ul
 lia list thing/li
 /ul
 /div

 My CSS declares:
 #test span {
 display: none
 }

 What I want is for the ul list to show, but not the text inside the
 span tags.

 But instead what happens is that everything inside the div does not
 display.

 Shouldn't the CSS apply to within the span tag, and leave the ul
 tag, which comes after the closing /span, alone?

Yes.  I'm betting something else is wrong.  Can you give us a url so  
we can help debug?

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Re: [css-d] menu affect

2007-04-23 Thread Don - HtmlFixIt.com
Terry O'Leary wrote:
 HI Guys
 
 I'm wanting to produce a menu type affect that when a user rollsover a menu
 item an image slide out of the menu (similar to a drop down) I dont want
 this image to do anything just slide in and out of view depending o nthe
 hovering.
 
 Can anyone suggest a site that has implemented this affect (primarily in
 css) but flash or ajax would be fine!
 
Not sure quite what you want Terry, but perhaps you can find your 
desired look by building off of one of these:
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/index.html
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Re: [css-d] Target Mozzilla Browsers

2007-04-23 Thread Simon White
 Is there anyway to target other Mozzilla Browsers separately 
 like IE can be targeted.
 
 I would like to set, a tag set for FF with font min-width 
 settings configured, and others for normal settings, if this 
 can be done.

You can target non IE with the same trick you use to target IE.

If you need specific Firefox (and no other browsers) then you'll have to find a 
hack that works only for Firefox. I don't have one handy.

But basically for min-width, then any browser that respects it should be OK, 
and hiding from IE can be done just the same like !-- [if !IE] --.

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Re: [css-d] menu affect

2007-04-23 Thread Francesco Rizzi
On 4/23/07, Don - HtmlFixIt.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Terry O'Leary wrote:
 
  Can anyone suggest a site that has implemented this affect (primarily in
  css) but flash or ajax would be fine!
 
 Not sure quite what you want Terry, but perhaps you can find your
 desired look by building off of one of these:
 http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/index.html


 A couple of links that helped me when I looked into this sort of stuff:

http://www.hesido.com/web.php?page=javascriptanimation
and
http://www.schillmania.com/content/projects/javascript-animation-1/

HTH,
F.
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Re: [css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/04/23 08:19 (GMT+0100) Simon White apparently typed:

 This is a big issue for those using CRT (regular monitors, not LCDs). 
 ClearType is only any use on LCD panels since it uses subpixel rendering, 
 which doesn't exist on CRTs.

Subpixel rendering applies only to LCDs, but that's completely independent
of applicability of ClearType. You can enable ClearType even when the OS has
no idea what type of monitor you have, as when a display has broken or
unimplemented DDC.

 So, in IE7 on a CRT monitor you have to switch it off, because otherwise the 
 text is (in my opinion) harder to read, and looks pretty awful.

I think it looks very much worse disabled than enabled on all my functional
CRTs. See the screenshot examples in my upthread reply to the thread starter.

 Making IE7 have ClearType on by default therefore both annoys people with 
 CRTs (unless their eyesight isn't great, in which case it may appear better 
 to them) and makes people think IE7 is better because it has font smoothing, 
 when in fact any application can have it.

This only proves that ClearType can work on any display.
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Re: [css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-23 Thread Barney Carroll
Felix Miata wrote:
 So, in IE7 on a CRT monitor you have to switch it off, because otherwise the 
 text is (in my opinion) harder to read, and looks pretty awful.
 
 I think it looks very much worse disabled than enabled on all my functional
 CRTs. See the screenshot examples in my upthread reply to the thread starter.

This is very subjective. ClearType is not simple anti-aliasing as such, 
rather a color trick. On low dpi monitors (esp 800*600 and below), a 
garish outline of disorienting colours is visible around each letter. 
For those of us who suffer from red-green sensitivities, this can be 
absolutely awful.

On many systems I far prefer to have it turned off.


Regards,
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Re: [css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/04/23 18:26 (GMT+0100) Barney Carroll apparently typed:

 Felix Miata wrote:

 I think it looks very much worse disabled than enabled on all my functional
 CRTs. See the screenshot examples in my upthread reply to the thread starter.

 This is very subjective. ClearType is not simple anti-aliasing as such, 
 rather a color trick. On low dpi monitors (esp 800*600 and below), a 

There are only three screen colors, red, blue  green, on any color computer
display any of us are intimately familiar with, so everything is a color trick.

 garish outline of disorienting colours is visible around each letter. 
 For those of us who suffer from red-green sensitivities, this can be 
 absolutely awful.

For most people this should be easy enough to fix by disabling lowfi. On my
last several XP installs and even my last W2K install the installer set the
resolution to 1024x768 all by itself, and I wasn't using any LCD panel with
a native 1024x768 resolution to do it. I don't know why anyone using any OS
made after 2001 would use  800x600 other than via misfortune and lack of
knowledge to do anything about it.

 On many systems I far prefer to have it turned off.

That's why it can be turned on and off. Real people do have system settings
preferences that don't always match the defaults. Like with various other
system and/or browser settings, whether anyone has it on or off you can't
know, which means your decision to specify italic or not shouldn't be
influenced by the fact that those options exist.
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[css-d] IE and CC problem

2007-04-23 Thread KJ'[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,

On this page http://www.geekministry.com/test/claus/reference1.php I 
wonder why the CC doesn't kick in. The images are too far right in IE6. 
Any help appreciated.

Thanks
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Re: [css-d] IE and CC problem

2007-04-23 Thread Lori Lay
KJ'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 On this page http://www.geekministry.com/test/claus/reference1.php I 
 wonder why the CC doesn't kick in. The images are too far right in IE6. 
 Any help appreciated.

 Thanks
   

I don't think your CC is the problem.  I think it's a source code 
issue.  You are importing the style sheet after the CC, so the 
.thumbnail styles in the style sheet are overriding the CC.  Try doing 
the import first, then the CC.


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[css-d] Trouble styling a complex list item (includes illustration)

2007-04-23 Thread Gwyn Perry
This picture is from my concept art. I'm having trouble getting it to
work in my code in a cross browser fashion. The right-hand side is how
I want it to look (left is just extra info):

http://surrailism.com/filedump/listproblem.png

Basically, we have a title, an excerpt (truncated to fit) and a date
(DD/MMM). The date is floated left and the other contents of the 'li'
roughly in the middle (vertically). Also, List items should change
colour on hover (entire block). The div that the list is in is
31em+1em margin. It is one of two columns and is floated left.

The layout is supposed to be completely zoomable. Everything is sized
with ems- width, height, margin, padding, text-size, etc. Body is
62.5%, text-sizes range from 1em-3em. The em sizing is working really
well everywhere else in the layout, but I can't figure out the
combination of content, tags and css to make this list work in
anything except FireFox.

I'm looking for the best way to do this (HTML+CSS), to work with
modern browsers and degrade nicely for others.

Thanks for any help.
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[css-d] IE6/ IE7/Firefox placement problems.

2007-04-23 Thread mindy
It looks right in either ie6 or ie7 or firefox but not all three. What am I 
doing wrong?

http://nitui.com/BI/
http://nitui.com/BI/images/style.css

Thank you for your assistance.

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Re: [css-d] Trouble styling a complex list item (includes illustration)

2007-04-23 Thread Blake Haswell
On 4/24/07, Gwyn Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking for the best way to do this (HTML+CSS), to work with
 modern browsers and degrade nicely for others.

This should work, and the code is about as minimal as it can be I
guess. This is just the bare bones, and obviously you can go ahead and
apply any colours or styles that you want.

HTML:
div
h4Section Heading Goes Here/h4
ul
li
h5Title Goes Here/h5
em21 Apr/em
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consehellip;/p
/li
/ul
/div

CSS:
div {
width: 31em;
margin: 1em;
}

ul {
list-style: none;
}

li {
position: relative; /* This is a positioning hook for the EM element */
padding-left: 3em; /* Width of EM element + whatever space you want
around it */
}

em {
position: absolute;
top: 0;
left: 0;
width: 2em;
}

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[css-d] ie6/ie7 float problem?

2007-04-23 Thread Jeroen
Hi,

http://jg2.intellit.nl/overmij.html is simple header / content (2
columns) / footer page.

The columns are giving me an headache, because in IE6 and IE7 the
right column goes under the left column (instead of beside it). FF
does show the page correctly, and this is the result I'm looking for.

Anyone have an idea what i might be doing wrong here? I've been coding
for hours,
and might have overlooked it.

Direct css: http://jg2.intellit.nl/css/jg.css (look for the content 
sidebar tags)

Thanks, any help is very much appreciated.

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Re: [css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-23 Thread david
Barney Carroll wrote:
 Felix Miata wrote:
 So, in IE7 on a CRT monitor you have to switch it off, because otherwise 
 the text is (in my opinion) harder to read, and looks pretty awful.
 I think it looks very much worse disabled than enabled on all my functional
 CRTs. See the screenshot examples in my upthread reply to the thread starter.
 
 This is very subjective. ClearType is not simple anti-aliasing as such, 
 rather a color trick. On low dpi monitors (esp 800*600 and below), a 
 garish outline of disorienting colours is visible around each letter. 
 For those of us who suffer from red-green sensitivities, this can be 
 absolutely awful.
 
 On many systems I far prefer to have it turned off.

Anyway, since this is something done at the client end, neither CSS nor 
Javascript as any way to change it.

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Re: [css-d] font smoothing

2007-04-23 Thread DJS
david wrote:
 Barney Carroll wrote:
   
 Felix Miata wrote:
 
 So, in IE7 on a CRT monitor you have to switch it off, because otherwise 
 the text is (in my opinion) harder to read, and looks pretty awful.
 
 I think it looks very much worse disabled than enabled on all my functional
 CRTs. See the screenshot examples in my upthread reply to the thread 
 starter.
   
 This is very subjective. ClearType is not simple anti-aliasing as such, 
 rather a color trick. On low dpi monitors (esp 800*600 and below), a 
 garish outline of disorienting colours is visible around each letter. 
 For those of us who suffer from red-green sensitivities, this can be 
 absolutely awful.

 On many systems I far prefer to have it turned off.
 

 Anyway, since this is something done at the client end, neither CSS nor 
 Javascript as any way to change it.

   
Wow, Night of the living thread, Son of Thread and Thread from the 
black lagoon - Triple Feature.

 Anyway, since this is something done at the client end, neither CSS nor 
 Javascript as any way to change it.

Let them eat straight type.

It's not a life or death situation, as I stated in the OP, I hate the 
way it looks in FF with out clearType.
As it stands I'm using display :none on the real text and a background 
image for the pretty text.

Just another one of those things I guess.

- DJS


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[css-d] having issues with direction from right to left

2007-04-23 Thread Patrick Aljord
Hey all,

I trying to write this:
div style=direction:rtltest (99)/div

but this is what appears:

(test (99

any idea how I could make it look like:

test (99)?

thanx in adance

Pat
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[css-d] Side-by-side positioning with css

2007-04-23 Thread Del Wegener
Good Evening;

If anyone has a bit of time, please look at the schematic(on the left) and 
three links(on the right) at the bottom of the page at
http://www.edi-cp.com/estimator/edi_at_calculator.html
This is my first attempt to use CSS to position items on a page.  They are 
where I want them, but I don't like the idea of using a width of the div 
to force the two columns close together.

Is there a better way of getting the two spans to appear side-by-side 
centered on the page with a small space separating them?

I could easily do this with a table, but I am trying to move away from that 
style of coding.

Here is the relevant CSS
.schematic {
 width: 80%;
 font-family: EuroseWide Heavy, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
 font-size: 12px;
 font-weight: bold;
 line-height: 200%;
 color: #A0;
}

.schematic1 {
 text-align:center;
 float: left;
}

.schematic2 {
 text-align:left;
 float: right;
}


Thanks for any comments.
Del 


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[css-d] IE 6.0 issue - background extending to far

2007-04-23 Thread Barb @ BITS LLC
Hi -

This page looks great in FF - 
http://virt11a.secure-wi.com/%7Eadmin100/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=1

In IE 6.0 the light green boxes at the top and bottom of the left hand vertical 
menu expand beyond where they should.  They should line up with the menu 
options between them.

The view code in the page shows (I cut out only the menu part of the code):


td class=left_col valign=top

table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width=90px border=0

  tr
td class=nav_titleAbout Us/td
  /tr

  trtd

table class=leftnav cellpadding=0 cellspacing=1tr

td align=left nowrap=nowrap
a 
href=./index.php?module=pagemasteramp;PAGE_user_op=view_pageamp;PAGE_id=11amp;MMN_position=2:2History/a
/td

/trtr

td align=left nowrap=nowrap
a 
href=./index.php?module=pagemasteramp;PAGE_user_op=view_pageamp;PAGE_id=12amp;MMN_position=3:3Membershipbr
 /Benefits/a
/td

/tr

/table/td
  /tr

!-- BOTTOM MENU --
tr
td class=nav_titlenbsp;/td
  /tr
/tablebr /
/td

The class nav_title formats the light green areas at the top and bottom of the 
menu:

.nav_title {
  font-size: 10px;
  font-weight: bold;
  background-color: #99;
  padding: 9px 1em 9px 1.5em;
  text-transform: uppercase;
  display: block;
  text-align: left;
  width: 88px;
  margin-left: 7px;
}

The full css file is found here: 
http://virt11a.secure-wi.com/%7Eadmin100/themes/Default/style.css

I've tried modifying padding and margins, but that doesn't seem to work.  I'm a 
css novice and I'm not sure what else to try.

Thank you for your time and pointers,
Barb





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Re: [css-d] Side-by-side positioning with css

2007-04-23 Thread Mauricio Samy Silva
 If anyone has a bit of time, please look at the schematic(on the left) and
 three links(on the right) at the bottom of the page at
 http://www.edi-cp.com/estimator/edi_at_calculator.html

 Is there a better way of getting the two spans to appear side-by-side
 centered on the page with a small space separating them?

Hi Del,

You must assigned a width for the floats .schamatic1 and .schematic2 in 
order
to force they appear side by side.
Try set 45% for both floats and this will result in a 10% gap between them.

Maurício Samy Silva
http://www.maujor.com/ 

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Re: [css-d] having issues with direction from right to left

2007-04-23 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Patrick Aljord wrote:

 I trying to write this:
 div style=direction:rtltest (99)/div

 but this is what appears:

 (test (99

At the character level, what appears is
)test (99
but the leftmost character ) is displayed using a mirrored glyph.
You can see this if you copy the leftmost character into a plain text file 
using copy and paste.

The appearance is what you asked for by using direction:rtl. By the 
Unicode bidirectional algorithm (which is what the definition of the 
direction property refers to), the writing direction is primarily 
determined by the inherent directionality of characters. The directionally 
neutral characters   and ( follow the directionality of surrounding 
characters, which is left to to right. However, the last character ) is 
not trapped between characters with left to right directionality, so the 
browsers does just what you asked: treats it with right to left 
directionality. This means that it will be placed to the left of the 
preceding text and mirrored.

Appending a directionally neutral punctuation character like . would not
change this. It would be placed to the left of the preceding character. 
But if you append a character with inherent left to right directionality, 
like a Latin letter or a common (European) digit, things would change. 
There is also an invisible control character for the purpose, the left to 
right mark (LRM, U+200E), representable in HTML as lrm; among other 
things.

 any idea how I could make it look like:

 test (99)?

Well, you could simply leave out the setting direction:rtl. If the 
enclosing element has direction:rtl, then you would need to explicitly 
set direction:ltr to prevent inheritance.

In any case, if you want text to be rendered left to right, you set (or 
default) the direction property to the value ltr.

What did you expect the direction:rtl setting to affect, and why did you 
use it? If you just want alignment to the right (which is a default side 
effect of direction:rtl), set it explicitly, using text-align: right.

-- 
Jukka Yucca Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

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