[css-d] Navlist Problems

2007-08-17 Thread Richard Brown
Hi All

I am building a site here:
http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/
http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/style.css
The navlist is meant to have an icon at one end of the line and then
on hover the icon changes. However, the icon won't go to the end of
the list it stays in the middle and I can't see why?

The list is currently styled like this:
#navlist {
list-style-type: none;
}
#navlist li {
padding: 0;
margin-bottom: 6px;
}
#navlist li a:link {
background: transparent url(images/purple_triangle.gif) no-repeat 0% 50%;
}
#navlist li a:hover {
background: transparent url(images/yellow_arrow.gif) left center no-repeat;
color: #11033F;
}
#navlist li a#current {
background: transparent url(images/yellow_arrow.gif) left center no-repeat;
color: #11033F;
}
As you can see I have tried 0% 50% and also left center. I have tried
putting it before the no-repeat and after the no-repeat. To no avail
it won't go where I want!

Any ideas please?
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Re: [css-d] Navlist Problems

2007-08-17 Thread Scott Swabey
Richard Brown wrote:
 Hi All
 
 I am building a site here:
 http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/
 http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/style.css
 The navlist is meant to have an icon at one end of the line and then
 on hover the icon changes. However, the icon won't go to the end of
 the list it stays in the middle and I can't see why?
...
 Any ideas please?

Hi Rich

The image you are using as a background is 60px wide by 68px high. The 
css is positioning it exactly as you specify, but with such a large 
image it is being pushed off the sides.

Try reducing the size of the image and trimming the surrounding white 
background.

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Re: [css-d] Navlist Problems

2007-08-17 Thread Kit Grose
Richard; you've also left the browser's automatic left padding on the  
list and list items.

To fix, it's simply:

#navlist,
#navlist li {
padding-left: 0; /* or some other suitable amount */
}


Cheers,

Kit Grose
iQmultimedia
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Re: [css-d] Can a subdivided 6px baseline grid work?

2007-08-17 Thread Richard Grevers
On 8/15/07, Timothy Kelty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been trying to set up some groundwork for setting up future sites on a
 baseline grid. We starting setting to a 18px baseline, with a 12px body
 type.

 Problems we ran into initially dealt with lists, where we weren't satisfied
 with a full line of leading between list items, but we also didn't want to
 set it solid, with no spacing.  Since we didn't know the amount of list
 items, we couldnt simply go off the grid temporarily, then adjust the ul/ol
 to get back on the grid.

 What my coworker eventually suggested was designing the site to a subdivided
 baseline of 6px, so for normal body type, 3 baseline heights would equal
 18px, the desired leading.  A list item also takes up 18px, with 1 baseline
 (6px) between.  So regardless of the amount of items, when the list is done,
 you're still back on your next 6px line.

 I'm having trouble getting my head around this whether or not this is a
 valid method or not.  Obviously you could set a grid infinitely small, then
 everything is 'on the grid', hooray!

 Any thoughts/criticisms are greatly appreciated, or if you have any other
 solutions.
 Thanks

I am subscribed to http://webtypography.net/ - which is a project
where one of the classic books on print typography is being used as
the inspiration for a series on web typography. What you are trying to
do seems in keeping with Section 2.2 - maintaining a set measure even
after elements of different size disrupt the vertical flow. As you
will see, this can be achieved via a combination of margin (in ems)
and line-height.


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Re: [css-d] IE6 Float right placement issue

2007-08-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Christopher McComas wrote:
 I have the following code on a site, it displays properly in Firefox
 and IE7, but in IE6 it doesn't display the main content where it
 should be ...

 www.getherdnews.com/test.html

IE6 is running out of space.
The whitespace bug and the auto expansion bug are at play.

See: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/cmc/test_07_081701.html
...for a working copy of your page. Corrections are commented.

regards
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[css-d] Using BlueprintCSS - trying to make it play nicely with IE 6

2007-08-17 Thread Chris Adams
Hi everyone,

I'm currently fiddling around with BlueprintCSS, a grd based css
framework that's been doing the
rounds lately, and I'm struggling to find a workaround to how IE6
handles floats:

I'm trying to a page using BlueprintCSS that provides the content
first, in the source order; it works in FF, Safari, and Opera 9 and
even IE7, but IE6 falls over with how it handles the float right
column.

The site is here:
http://stage.chrisadams.me.uk/blueprint/example.html

The problem that IE6 is having with the floats is documented here:
http://phrogz.net/css/sidefloattest.html

The page validates as xhtml, and while there are css errors, they only
pertain to the lack of background colours on the page.

Does anybody know of a workaround using floats that would let me
continue using this framework?
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Re: [css-d] Using BlueprintCSS - trying to make it play nicely with IE 6

2007-08-17 Thread Ingo
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:21:51 +0100 Chris Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I'm trying to a page using BlueprintCSS that provides the content
 first, in the source order; it works in FF, Safari, and Opera 9 and
 even IE7, but IE6 falls over with how it handles the float right
 column.
 
 http://stage.chrisadams.me.uk/blueprint/example.html

I couldn't see the version in the css - do you use the latest v0.4 of
blueprint? It handles certain IE6 issues.


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[css-d] Absolute Floated Layout

2007-08-17 Thread Elli Vizcaino
Hi List,

Is there a way to combine floated divs with absolute 
positioned divs for layout, without having the page
behave erratically across several browsers? The page
in question is: 

http://template.dev.advance.net/impact/index.ssf 

The company I work for would like the content area
(FEATURED STORY/ALL STORIES FROM [DATE]:) column to
appear at the top of the HTML document, right after
the body tag for SEO purposes. While still retaining
the look of the current layout. 

What you should also know about this proposed request
is that numerous hands have messed with the code. The
CSS sheets being called are a mess and this is the
first time I am dealing with it. They expect me to
clean up the mess and give them what they want. 

The other thing is that it is only coded to
transitional standards which doesn't validate as is.
And they use a proprietary platform called .ssf that
behaves like a combination of frames and server side
includes. The browsers we support are IE 6  7 and FF
on PC and FF  Safari on Mac. 

Basically, I've already told them I didn't think it
was a good idea given the time frame and because I'm
thinking floats and absolute might not mix well. And
because the code is a mess, that it would be better to
start from scratch (something which really can't be
done at this point given the deadline). 

So what I wanted to know from you guys is, is there
any way to give them what they want and salvage this
mess of a mess in a short amount of time? Or is this
just really hopeless?

All feedback welcomed. 

TIA,
Elli 


  

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Re: [css-d] Absolute Floated Layout

2007-08-17 Thread Frank Piuck
Elli Vizcaino wrote:
 Hi List,

 Is there a way to combine floated divs with absolute 
 positioned divs for layout, without having the page
 behave erratically across several browsers? The page
 in question is: 

 http://template.dev.advance.net/impact/index.ssf 

 The company I work for would like the content area
 (FEATURED STORY/ALL STORIES FROM [DATE]:) column to
 appear at the top of the HTML document, right after
 the body tag for SEO purposes. While still retaining
 the look of the current layout. 

 What you should also know about this proposed request
 is that numerous hands have messed with the code. The
 CSS sheets being called are a mess and this is the
 first time I am dealing with it. They expect me to
 clean up the mess and give them what they want. 

 The other thing is that it is only coded to
 transitional standards which doesn't validate as is.
 And they use a proprietary platform called .ssf that
 behaves like a combination of frames and server side
 includes. The browsers we support are IE 6  7 and FF
 on PC and FF  Safari on Mac. 

 Basically, I've already told them I didn't think it
 was a good idea given the time frame and because I'm
 thinking floats and absolute might not mix well. And
 because the code is a mess, that it would be better to
 start from scratch (something which really can't be
 done at this point given the deadline). 

 So what I wanted to know from you guys is, is there
 any way to give them what they want and salvage this
 mess of a mess in a short amount of time? Or is this
 just really hopeless?

 All feedback welcomed. 

 TIA,
 Elli 
   
Elli

It would help if we could see the page.  I got a request for login and 
password .  Do you think you could copy the html to a publicly 
accessible space?

Frank Piuck
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Re: [css-d] Absolute Floated Layout

2007-08-17 Thread Elli Vizcaino
Hi List,

Here are a couple of links to current live versions of
the template I pointed to down below. The template
server requires password access which I'm not really
allowed to hand over.  

http://www.nj.com/news/
http://www.pennlive.com/lehighvalley/

Same thing applies and worse they've got more errors. 

Again all feedback welcomed. 

TIA,
Elli 



--- Elli Vizcaino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi List,
 
 Is there a way to combine floated divs with absolute
 
 positioned divs for layout, without having the page
 behave erratically across several browsers? The page
 in question is: 
 
 http://template.dev.advance.net/impact/index.ssf 
 
 The company I work for would like the content area
 (FEATURED STORY/ALL STORIES FROM [DATE]:) column to
 appear at the top of the HTML document, right after
 the body tag for SEO purposes. While still retaining
 the look of the current layout. 
 
 What you should also know about this proposed
 request
 is that numerous hands have messed with the code.
 The
 CSS sheets being called are a mess and this is the
 first time I am dealing with it. They expect me to
 clean up the mess and give them what they want. 
 
 The other thing is that it is only coded to
 transitional standards which doesn't validate as is.
 And they use a proprietary platform called .ssf that
 behaves like a combination of frames and server side
 includes. The browsers we support are IE 6  7 and
 FF
 on PC and FF  Safari on Mac. 
 
 Basically, I've already told them I didn't think it
 was a good idea given the time frame and because I'm
 thinking floats and absolute might not mix well. And
 because the code is a mess, that it would be better
 to
 start from scratch (something which really can't be
 done at this point given the deadline). 
 
 So what I wanted to know from you guys is, is there
 any way to give them what they want and salvage this
 mess of a mess in a short amount of time? Or is this
 just really hopeless?
 
 All feedback welcomed. 
 
 TIA,
 Elli 
 
 
  


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[css-d] Fixed Footer

2007-08-17 Thread Richard Brown
Hi All

I'm trying to get a fixed footer to work on this site:
http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/
http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/otherstyle.css

It is failing if the page length increases beyond the browser window:
http://apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/column_extend.jpg

Any ideas on how to fix this please? Thanks.
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Re: [css-d] Navlist Problems

2007-08-17 Thread Richard Brown
Hi Kit and Scott

On 17/08/07, Kit Grose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Richard; you've also left the browser's automatic left padding on the
 list and list items.

 To fix, it's simply:

 #navlist,
 #navlist li {
 padding-left: 0; /* or some other suitable amount */
 }


Many thanks for your help. It is now working fine.
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[css-d] Navigation Problem : IE

2007-08-17 Thread Todd Silver
Hello List,

I'm having a problem with my navigation on IE 7. It's pretty basic, 
stylized anchor tags in an ul, but doesn't work at all in IE 7. No 
hover effect, the links don't even work.

The XHTML is valid, I use some proprietary code in the CSS to stylize 
the blackboard's scrollbar in Explorer but I don't believe that should 
be effecting the navigation in such a way.

Here's the link:
http://www.toddsilverdesign.net/dev/dazil/fit_prof/intro.htm

And you can find the CSS here:
http://www.toddsilverdesign.net/dev/dazil/fit_prof/FitProfStyle.css

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: [css-d] Can a subdivided 6px baseline grid work?

2007-08-17 Thread david
Richard Grevers wrote:
 On 8/15/07, Timothy Kelty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been trying to set up some groundwork for setting up future sites on a
 baseline grid. We starting setting to a 18px baseline, with a 12px body
 type.

 Problems we ran into initially dealt with lists, where we weren't satisfied
 with a full line of leading between list items, but we also didn't want to
 set it solid, with no spacing.  Since we didn't know the amount of list
 items, we couldnt simply go off the grid temporarily, then adjust the ul/ol
 to get back on the grid.

 What my coworker eventually suggested was designing the site to a subdivided
 baseline of 6px, so for normal body type, 3 baseline heights would equal
 18px, the desired leading.  A list item also takes up 18px, with 1 baseline
 (6px) between.  So regardless of the amount of items, when the list is done,
 you're still back on your next 6px line.

 I'm having trouble getting my head around this whether or not this is a
 valid method or not.  Obviously you could set a grid infinitely small, then
 everything is 'on the grid', hooray!

 Any thoughts/criticisms are greatly appreciated, or if you have any other
 solutions.
 Thanks
 
 I am subscribed to http://webtypography.net/ - which is a project
 where one of the classic books on print typography is being used as
 the inspiration for a series on web typography. What you are trying to
 do seems in keeping with Section 2.2 - maintaining a set measure even
 after elements of different size disrupt the vertical flow. As you
 will see, this can be achieved via a combination of margin (in ems)
 and line-height.

So long as you specify things being aware that - unlike print typography 
- you have no control over font choice or size ...

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[css-d] Footerstick, and transparent columns and IE6

2007-08-17 Thread Arnold Gregory
Thank you for taking the time to look at my problem.

QUESTIONS?

1. How can an absolutely positioned background div be effected by relative
divs not contained in it?

2. Is there a better approach to achieving the layout I am attempting?

I am trying to combine the footer stick technic with faux columns and
opacity on this page:

http://sandboxv3.erau.edu/pr/0pr-dev/

#page and #nonfooter are used to achieve the 100% height. The footer
normally not visible gets a negative margin to bring it in to the window.
Code borrowed from:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/

I can't use either of these divs for the faux columns because the columns
must be transparent to allow the clouds image (body background image) to
show through. If I make either either of these dives transparent then all
the page content contained in them becomes transparent also.

The only solution I came up with is a transparent absolute div centered with
a repeating image to create the columns. Since the footer would always be at
the bottom of the window, I should not have the problem of the faux columns
showing under the footer. This works fine everywhere but IE6.

To see the problem in IE6  resize window and scroll to the bottom. The
background absolute div is somehow shortened and does not reach the footer.
If you refresh the page the div magically extends to the footer until you
resize the window again.

Here is my structure.

body

div id=columns/div

div id=page
div id=nonFooter


div id=header
...stuff
/div!--END HEADER--

div id=content
   div id=contentMain/div
   div id=section_navstuff/div

div class=clearer/div
/div!-- END content --

/div!-- END nonFooter --
/div!-- END page --

div id=footerstuff/div

/body
/html


Arnold Gregory
IT Web Services
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

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[css-d] IE6 still won't display drop-down

2007-08-17 Thread Chris Rahe
Here's the page: http://www.bremenhospital.org/testsite/pages/ 
specialists.html

CSS for the pertinent part is in the HTML head

I can't get the Specialties button to drop down when hovered in  
IE6. A couple of people looked at this last week, but I still haven't  
been able to resolve it, though I have to thank Alan Gresley for  
helping resolve another nagging issue I had.

Can anyone help me get this working in IE6?

Thanks!



Chris Rahe
Executive Director of Marketing and Development
Community Hospital of Bremen
(574) 546-8011
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[css-d] Table-like layout for UL/LI

2007-08-17 Thread Mark Richards
Hi,
I am trying to simplify the code for an existing site.  We have a
button bar that is rendered using a table.  I figured, why not switch to
UL/LI but the problem I ran into is that the browser will automatically
resize the table columns to spread them out evenly but won't do this for
the LI elements.
 
table { border-collapse: collapse; width: 800px; }
ul { width: 800px; display: block; overflow: auto;}
li { display: block; float: left; }
 
table
  trtdone/tdtdtwo/td/tr
/table
 
 
ul
  lione/li
  litwo/li
ul
 
As you can imagine, these two renderings look totally different.  I'd
heard of display: table and managed to recreate a nice table-esque
layout using the UL/LI inside a div, which would suite me perfectly,
except IE doesn't support display: table.  Does anyone have a workaround
where I can re-create the auto-sizing layout of the table without using
the table?  I have worked around the problem so far by simply keeping
the table layout but cleaning up the code, but I'd prefer that smug
feeling of getting rid of the table once and for all.
 
Apologies for not having a live sample as my workplace has no public
webservers that aren't production.
 
Mark
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Re: [css-d] Table-like layout for UL/LI

2007-08-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:02:21 -0400, Mark Richards wrote:
 Hi,
 I am trying to simplify the code for an existing site.  We have a button bar 
 that is
 rendered using a table.  I figured, why not switch to UL/LI but the problem I 
 ran into
 is that the browser will automatically resize the table columns to spread 
 them out
 evenly but won't do this for the LI elements.

Hi Mark,

Thierry has a solution that seems to be a nice compromise:

http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/make_an_html_list_look_like_a_table.asp

Cordially,
David
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