Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

[Ingo Chao]

Mark Senff wrote:
> "I use a PC so I can't test it in Safari" -- hopefully we will hear
> that less and less now that the Windows version of Safari is pretty
> much 99% the same as the Mac version. ;)
> 

That's not correct; you can't test a Safari 2.0.4 issue with the Safari 
3.0 beta
http://developer.apple.com/internet/safari/uamatrix.html

The site is broken as described in Safari 2.0.4. With cleared cache, the 
bg-image appears at the wanted position, but then a horizontal scrollbar 
of +100% runs in and the bg moves to the right.

Removing the #topnav fixes the issue (or applying position:absolute to 
it), maybe someone has time to hunt this down.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] text leaders

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

William M Conlon wrote:
> I would like to have solid color leader before some text:

A few alternatives...


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Re: [css-d] Safari background issue

[Mark Senff]

"I use a PC so I can't test it in Safari" -- hopefully we will hear that less 
and less now that the Windows version of Safari is pretty much 99% the same as 
the Mac version. ;)

I checked the Subaru site in my (PC) Safari and I don't see any difference on 
the Advantage page, but then this may be one of those rare situations where 
Safari Mac acts differently than Safari Windows. Maybe try "50% 0" instead 
of "center center"? Just a guess.

mS



Seona Bellamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi guys,

Has anyone ever come across a situation where Safari sometimes doesn't
display the background in the correct location? An example that I've been
directed to (I use a PC, so I can't play with this myself) is
http://www.subaru.com.au/about-subaru/subaru-advantage/ .

The background is supposed to sit behind the content panel, creating a
shadowed effect to either side, and is applied to the body with the
following:

background: url(../images/s_grad.gif) center center repeat-y;


Everything else seems to be able to handle it okay, and it mostly works in
Safari, but on the Advantage page it pushes over to the right.

Anyone else ever encountered this sort of an issue? Even better, any ideas
what's causing it and how to make it go away?

Cheers,

Seona.
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[css-d] text leaders

[William M Conlon]

I would like to have solid color leader before some text:


__Some Text=

where ___ is the leader, such as a solid color bottom border
    is some right margin (a percentage)
   Some Text is typically a heading, of unspecified width.

I have tried a two column layout using float:right to position "Some  
Text" with the desired margin on the right side of the page. But I  
can't figure out how to create the leader in the left column

TIA.

Bill

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Re: [css-d] site distortion in IE6

[David Laakso]

Thijs Hakkenberg wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> This site http://gerbrigseidel.nl/ and it's template 
> http://gerbrigseidel.nl/fileadmin/template/simpleDesign/ both validate 
> as w3c compliant, and the template show up fine on both IE6 and 
> FF1.5/2.0. The rendered frontpage however get's distorted in IE6; it's 
> not aligned anymore for example.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Thijs Hakkenberg


This is your file[1] with the xml declaration deleted so IE6 is no longer in 
quirks and with only your style.css embedded.

Looks pretty much the same to me in, but I may be missing something, in: 

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.7) Gecko/20070914 
Firefox/2.0.0.7

and IE6 and IE7.

[1]



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[css-d] site distortion in IE6

[Thijs Hakkenberg]

Dear list,

This site http://gerbrigseidel.nl/ and it's template 
http://gerbrigseidel.nl/fileadmin/template/simpleDesign/ both validate 
as w3c compliant, and the template show up fine on both IE6 and 
FF1.5/2.0. The rendered frontpage however get's distorted in IE6; it's 
not aligned anymore for example.


Any clues?

Thijs Hakkenberg
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[css-d] Safari background issue

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi guys,

Has anyone ever come across a situation where Safari sometimes doesn't
display the background in the correct location? An example that I've been
directed to (I use a PC, so I can't play with this myself) is
http://www.subaru.com.au/about-subaru/subaru-advantage/ .

The background is supposed to sit behind the content panel, creating a
shadowed effect to either side, and is applied to the body with the
following:

background: url(../images/s_grad.gif) center center repeat-y;


Everything else seems to be able to handle it okay, and it mostly works in
Safari, but on the Advantage page it pushes over to the right.

Anyone else ever encountered this sort of an issue? Even better, any ideas
what's causing it and how to make it go away?

Cheers,

Seona.
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Re: [css-d] Fwd: CSS Issue

[Mark Senff]

I think the problem is in the way you call your JS file in the header. Instead 
of:
 

 
 try using:
 

 

 P.S. new here, hello, my name is Mark, hope I get to learn a lot of new stuff 
here and also help out others. :)


Mark Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And with link (oppps)

Dear List,

Still tearing my hair out with this site...

The below link viewed in FF should appear and function as I intended. In IE
however it seems to ignore the style sheet bar bg colour...

http://www.helpusmarry.co.uk/jessie/editorial/

Could some kind soul put me out of my misery and point me to whatever it is
that I am missing?

Thanks

Mark
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Re: [css-d] Fwd: CSS Issue

[Ingo Chao]

Mark Finney wrote:
> 
> http://www.helpusmarry.co.uk/jessie/editorial/

Cannot see the page in IE, I think its due to the self-enclosing script 
tag you use.

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Re: [css-d] IE pushing text down in block (Chinese)

[Anne E. Shroeder]

You're brilliant!  Thank you!  I also wanted to use lists, but the project 
manager said taht we have to be compliant with IE 5.5 and she said there 
were issues with that browser. Do you agree?

Anne

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Subject: Re: [css-d] IE pushing text down in block (Chinese)


>
> On Sep 19, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Anne E. Shroeder wrote:
>
>> I am not clear on why in IE the entire set of text gets moved to a
>> separate
>> line below the orange bullet (and not indented!) whereas it works
>> just fine
>> in Firefox?  I'm sure it's a special IE bug, but have not found
>> anything to
>> explain the weirdness.
>>
> the links, because you declare a width, 'have 'haslayout' set tot true.
> As a result,  the whole block is moved to the right, but there is not
> enough space in the parent block, and the link drops below the image.
>
> Remove the width should fix the issue
>
> Why not use a list ?
>
>
> Philippe
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[css-d] Fwd: CSS Issue

[Mark Finney]

And with link (oppps)

Dear List,

Still tearing my hair out with this site...

The below link viewed in FF should appear and function as I intended. In IE
however it seems to ignore the style sheet bar bg colour...

http://www.helpusmarry.co.uk/jessie/editorial/

Could some kind soul put me out of my misery and point me to whatever it is
that I am missing?

Thanks

Mark
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Re: [css-d] Dynamic menu challenge

[Bernardo Doré]

Hi.

I also tested the menu on Opera Mobile 8.65 for the Symbian S60 3rd ed. and
the Opera Mini 4 beta 2 in the same platform and it does not work in either
of them.

It does work in the phone's built in browser made by Nokia (OSS). The device
is a N73.

[]'s

Bernardo

On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> tedd wrote:
>
> Your js-less code has some minor issues with Safari and FF for the  Mac
>
> Hello,
>
> I don't actually have a mac, I'm about to acquire one for testing
> purposes.
> How serious are the problems? As said I can't check this.
>
> did you write it?
>
> In a word NO. The original can be found here:
>
> http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm
>
> Had to do some minor alterations to, get it to work for me. In fact I may
> have created some errors with my alterations.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> DG)
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[css-d] CSS Issue

[Mark Finney]

Dear List,

Still tearing my hair out with this site...

The below link viewed in FF should appear and function as I intended. In IE
however it seems to ignore the style sheet bar bg colour...

Could some kind soul put me out of my misery and point me to whatever it is
that I am missing?

Thanks

Mark
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Re: [css-d] I'm not that good with tables.

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:50, Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

> But you shouldn't use tables for layout.

Ah, just seen your earlier post about this being for an HTML  
newsletter; forget what I said. For HTML email, it looks like we're  
stuck with tables for the foreseeable future.

Incidentally, this surely marks some kind of turning point for this  
list: after all these years we have web development practitioners who  
aren't familiar with the bad old ways of doing things! The tide is  
indeed turning :-)

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] Double margin float bug revisited

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Peter Bex wrote:

> When you set a margin on a float, and then by using some javascript 
> you change any of the positioning properties ('top', 'left' etc), the
>  double margin float bug disappears in IE6.  In IE7, the margin is 
> _subtracted_ from the position, instead! I assume this is because 
> they implemented a 'quick hack': always subtract the margin from the 
> position of a float, to counter the double margin effect.

Very interesting test-case.

If you fix IE6 'margin-doubling on floats' by adding 'display: inline' 
to the float, then IE6 behaves like IE7 for that test-case. This 
indicates that they've used a fix with the 'display: inline' effect 
(whatever that is) in IE7, and not halved the margin as such.

> I think the combination of float:left and position: relative breaks 
> the fix.  This leads me to a final question: is it allowed to combine
>  float+posrel?  I can't find any mention of how this combination is 
> supposed to behave in the spec.

Older Opera versions didn't support 'position: relative' on floats, but 
Opera do now.
IMO: when the spec is unclear or doesn't say anything, then the 
direction/solution a majority of the most compliant browsers agree on 
can be seen as an indication of what will end up in a future version of 
the spec. The spec becomes more practical and usable that way.

Have used 'position: relative' on 'floats' for years, and haven't 
noticed any problems apart from lots of erratic jumping in IE/win if 
'position: relative' is actually used to offset the float horizontally. 
IE can't handle that and I've found it impossible in practical cases to 
solve it. That hasn't changed at all for IE7.

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Re: [css-d] I'm not that good with tables.

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:33, juliann wheeler wrote:
> To help fix my earlier problem, I started breaking this out into 4  
> smaller tables within one container table. So far I'm having  
> problems with the blue table (see link).
>
> It is supposed to go to the right of the pink one instead of below it.
>
> http://www.pcg-advisors.com/tests/test.html
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this?

You want a table with three rows: the first row will have a single  
cell containing the topmost table, the second row will have two cells  
each containing one of the two tables you want next to each other,  
and the third row will contain a single cell containing the final  
table. In order to make the top and bottom cells take up the total  
width of the two cells in the second row, they will need the  
colspan="2" attribute.



   
  ...
   


   
  ...
   
   
  ...
   


   
  ...
   



should do it.

But you shouldn't use tables for layout. Use CSS: the list wiki will  
help you find the resources where you can learn how to do a simple  
header/two columns/footer layout like this.

HTH,

Nick.
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[css-d] I'm not that good with tables.

[juliann wheeler]

To help fix my earlier problem, I started breaking this out into 4 smaller 
tables within one container table. So far I'm having problems with the blue 
table (see link).


It is supposed to go to the right of the pink one instead of below it.

http://www.pcg-advisors.com/tests/test.html

Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks.

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Re: [css-d] justfied text and aligment :: revised ::

[David Laakso]

David Laakso wrote:
> Erland Flaten wrote:
>   
>> I tri to make to lines of text to align justify inside a div. Text- 
>> align justify does not change from the default left alignment of the  
>> text.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.nuna.no/malkladd.html
>> http://www.nuna.no/thrColFixHdr.css
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
> Erland,
>
> With single words you'll need to use letter-spacing rather than justify, 
> but /you'll have devil of a time/ getting both lines to come to the same 
> width cross-browser.
>
> Best,
>
> ~dL
>
>   

Erland,,

This is a very quick pass at setting 100% on html, 1em on body, with h1 
& h2 in em and tweaking the font size(s). This may be easier than using 
letter-spacing, but as with letter-spacing there will be cross-browser 
differences.



In Firefox/Mac h2 (tagline) is shy of width compared to h1.

In Opera/Mac, Safari, WebKit, IE7 and IE6 are relatively similar-- h2 
(tag line) is wider than h1.

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Re: [css-d] Double margin float bug revisited

[Ingo Chao]

The behavior is noticeable on margin-left + float: right too (which is 
not the case for the doubled margin bug, or was it the other way 
round?). And the resulting margin is positive if a negative margin is 
used as a basis.
Strange thing.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] justfied text and aligment

[David Laakso]

Erland Flaten wrote:
> I tri to make to lines of text to align justify inside a div. Text- 
> align justify does not change from the default left alignment of the  
> text.
>
>
>
> http://www.nuna.no/malkladd.html
> http://www.nuna.no/thrColFixHdr.css
>
>
>
>
>   


Erland,

With single words you'll need to use letter-spacing rather than justify, 
but /you'll have devil of a time/ getting both lines to come to the same 
width cross-browser.

Best,

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Re: [css-d] justfied text and aligment

[Mauricio Samy Silva]

From: "Erland Flaten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: [css-d] justfied text and aligment


> What I finally wants to accomplish is to lines of text in different
> size, but same length of each line.
-
Hi Erland,
Use the letter-spacing  CSS propertie to control de width of the texts.
Try:
span#tagline {letter-spacing:0.3em;}

Regards

Maurício Samy Silva
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[css-d] Double margin float bug revisited

[Peter Bex]

Hi there,

Allegedly, the Double-Margin Float bug has been fixed in Internet Explorer 7.
I've been toying around with some javascript lately and it turns out that
when you tickle IE7 in the right way, it will reveal just how this
double-margin float bug has been 'fixed'.

When you set a margin on a float, and then by using some javascript you
change any of the positioning properties ('top', 'left' etc), the double
margin float bug disappears in IE6.  In IE7, the margin is _subtracted_ from
the position, instead!  I assume this is because they implemented a
'quick hack': always subtract the margin from the position of a float, to
counter the double margin effect.  Unfortunately, this backfired and resulted
in a new variant of the bug, a sort of 'negative margin float bug'.

I don't know if this is a known bug or how well-known this problem is, but I
hope someone out there has seen this before and knows a workaround.

Here is a testcase:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";>


Float margin weirdness



  

without accessing offset
with accessing 
offset

function $(x) { return document.getElementById(x); }
function changeleft() {
  $('green').style.left = '52px';
}
function changeleft_with_offset() {
  var x = $('green').offsetLeft;
  $('green').style.left = '53px';
}
// Enable the following to see the bug directly:
//var x = $('green').offsetLeft;
//$('green').style.left = '51px';



Simply clicking either of the links will trigger the bug and the green box
will jump 50px (the size of the margin).  Oddly enough,
when the code outside the functions is uncommented, the bug is triggered
right away.  When the offset properties are not touched (so the code looks
like changeleft instead of changeleft_with_offset), the bug does _not_
get triggered.  Aren't these offset properties supposed to be read-only and
side-effect free?  I also don't understand how putting the code in a
function changes the behaviour.

I have tried to apply the display: inline fix to negate the double-margin
float bug, but this did not work.  I think the combination of float:left
and position: relative breaks the fix.  This leads me to a final question:
is it allowed to combine float+posrel?  I can't find any mention of how
this combination is supposed to behave in the spec.  I found a post by
Peter-Paul Koch on this same question at
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/37762
but it didn't have any replies :(

Regards,
Peter Bex
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[css-d] justfied text and aligment

[Erland Flaten]

I tri to make to lines of text to align justify inside a div. Text- 
align justify does not change from the default left alignment of the  
text.

What I finally wants to accomplish is to lines of text in different  
size, but same length of each line. These lines are to fit thightly  
on to each other with no spacing/padding/margin

here is the page elements
   
   FABRIKKEN
   KULTUR-KUNST-OPPLEVELSE  

Here is the page:

http://www.nuna.no/malkladd.html
http://www.nuna.no/thrColFixHdr.css






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[css-d] Sidebars Floating Away

[Tom Lancaster]

Dear Css-D,

I have a conundrum that has me scratching my head. I've inherited this
site: 

http://web.ngocentre.org.vn

which works ok, except on pages like this:

http://web.ngocentre.org.vn/taxonomy/term/54

...where the left and right sidebars have floated off down to the bottom
right. The left one is not visible, I think because it's behind the
right one. If I remove the margin-left from its stanza in layout.css, it
shows up, at bottom left.

I don't want to ask anyone to wade through all 18 stylesheets to find
the root of the problem, but I would like to ask the hive mind if it has
seen this happen before, and what areas it might be fruitful for me to
check.

If it helps, this layout claims to be an implementation of the "One True
Layout" from positioniseverything.net.


Thanks in advance,

Tom

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Re: [css-d] Website check please!! (55)

[keno2]

Hi List,

Could I please have a cross browser check!!

FF looks ok

IE is giving me grief with the horizontal menu.
I have run into problems with:
  second level menu alignment and font size.
  second level hidden behind images
  second level disappears with cursor to run over
  also bottom navigation alignment.

Test-site  url:  http://www.sun-safe.com.au/
   css:  http://www.sun-safe.com.au/default-stylesheet.css
   css:  http://www.sun-safe.com.au/IE-stylesheet22.css

Your help will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks,

keno

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Re: [css-d] Dynamic menu challenge

[grovesdavid]

tedd wrote:

 Your js-less code has some minor issues with Safari and FF for the  Mac

Hello,

I don't actually have a mac, I'm about to acquire one for testing purposes. 
How serious are the problems? As said I can't check this.

did you write it?

In a word NO. The original can be found here:

http://www.grc.com/menu2/invitro.htm

Had to do some minor alterations to, get it to work for me. In fact I may 
have created some errors with my alterations.

Kind Regards

DG)

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