Re: [css-d] IE 5 and 6-- main content div drop

2008-12-22 Thread David Laakso
Todd Bingham wrote:
>
> http://www.ruthinstitute.org
>
> seems to have something it my template page that won't play nice with  
> IE6 and some times 5...
>
> http://www.ruthinstitute.org/browsershot.jpg
>
>
> todd
>   

* html #mainContent { border:1px solid red/* 4 position only*/;
overflow-x: hidden;
width: 380px;
}
IE/6 is adding the horizontal padding to the width of the main content. 
Adding overflow-x: hidden; seems to control the auto expansion of that 
column. Quick checked local only, IE/6, 5.5, and 5.01.
It could be a good idea to validate the markup and CSS.




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Re: [css-d] IE 5 and 6-- main content div drop

2008-12-22 Thread David Jones
> -Original Message-
> From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org 
> [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Todd Bingham
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:42 PM
> To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Subject: [css-d] IE 5 and 6-- main content div drop
> 
> Hey, everyone, thanks in advance;
> 
> This site:
> 
> http://www.ruthinstitute.org
> 
> seems to have something it my template page that won't play nice with
> IE6 and some times 5DW's checker says it's a word 
> wrap issue and Adobe's page says to use 
> overflow:hidden.didn't seem to work as you can see here.'
> 
> http://www.ruthinstitute.org/browsershot.jpg
> 
> (evidently IE6 doesn't/didn't approve of png's, either)
> 
> I tried overflow:hidden.the option from Adobe is a 
> conditional comment.will you kindly assist me in what 
> that would entail...or if you have another work-around I 
> would be most obliged...
> 
> todd
> ..
> .
> Todd Bingham
> toddbing...@mac.com
> 760806 7699

Valid HTML and CSS would help:

HTML
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruthinstitu
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CSS
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css21&warning=0&uri
=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruthinstitute.org%2F

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Re: [css-d] Menu-problem IE6

2008-12-22 Thread Ib Jensen
2008/12/23 Gunlaug Sørtun :
> Ib Jensen wrote:
>
> ...and a read-up on CSS standards...
>
> 
>
> That should lead to improved control over web design and browsers in no
> time - once you have practiced a bit.

I think I'm practicing all the time, but I'm hopefully learning
something, sometime ;-)


> ...but once you're able to sort software-bugs from the more ordinary
> designer-bugs it won't be too hard :-)

That'll problably take some time :-(

Anyway, Thanks for the hints



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[css-d] IE 5 and 6-- main content div drop

2008-12-22 Thread Todd Bingham
Hey, everyone, thanks in advance;

This site:

http://www.ruthinstitute.org

seems to have something it my template page that won't play nice with  
IE6 and some times 5DW's checker says it's a word wrap issue  
and Adobe's page says to use overflow:hidden.didn't seem to work  
as you can see here.'

http://www.ruthinstitute.org/browsershot.jpg

(evidently IE6 doesn't/didn't approve of png's, either)

I tried overflow:hidden.the option from Adobe is a conditional  
comment.will you kindly assist me in what that would  
entail...or if you have another work-around I would be most  
obliged...

todd
...
Todd Bingham
toddbing...@mac.com
760806 7699



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Re: [css-d] Menu-problem IE6

2008-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote:

> I need to _get / buy_ some very explaning books on CSS!

Wouldn't surprise me if you can read/understand German at least as well
as I do, and this one goes in some depth and has good examples and
references...



In addition to that you'll need some understanding of what's wrong with
old IE and how to control its worst bugs...




...and a read-up on CSS standards...



That should lead to improved control over web design and browsers in no
time - once you have practiced a bit.


You'll run into browser-bugs and other nastiness for years to come anyway...



...but once you're able to sort software-bugs from the more ordinary
designer-bugs it won't be too hard :-)

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Re: [css-d] Menu-problem IE6

2008-12-22 Thread Ib Jensen
2008/12/23 Gunlaug Sørtun :
> Ib Jensen wrote:
>>
>> Any hints ??
>
> Same 'hasLayout' trigger on anchors as before, but with the necessary
> selector-addition to target the left menu also...
>
> #menu ul li a, #menu_l ul li a  {height: 1%;}
>
>
>> PS! Any hints on : Downsizing a picture nicely. The two pictures in
>> the Content-area, in fact.
>
> #center img {max-width: 90%; height: auto; width: auto;}
>
> ...will let those images stay at intrinsic size when there's enough
> space, and scale down when necessary.
> Doesn't work in IE6 and older - need separate styles, but all somewhat
> new browsers will handle such scaling reasonably well.
>

Thanks for your explaning answer.

I need to _get / buy_ some very explaning books on CSS!


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Re: [css-d] Monospace font-size anomaly in Webkit

2008-12-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:43 AM, David Hucklesby wrote:

> In most browsers running on 96 DPI displays, a font-size of 82%
> displays at 13px. With the font stacks I am using, this is the
> font-size I would like to use for monospace fonts to match 100%
> font-size of other text.
>
> Oddly, with a base font-size of 100% on the BODY, Safari (Win & Mac)
> and Google Chrome display monospace font of 82% at a miniscule 11px.
> Even more strange, if I change the base font to 16px, Webkit now
> behaves as other browsers and displays this same font at 13px.
>
> FWIW I do not see this behavior in other browsers - even Camino.
>
> Should I expect this?
Yes. In some way. It is a complicated issue with font-fallback and  
users preferences. WebKit has indeed a different behaviour than  
others. They have, I believe, an open bug on this.

I assume that you've added the 'monospace' keyword in your rule for  
monospace font.
Compare the following:
[style]
pre {white-space: pre;}
.a {font-family: monospace;}
.b {font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono', monospace;}
.c {font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono';}
p {font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono';}

[html]
 
 
 


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Re: [css-d] Menu-problem IE6

2008-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Link: ikjensen.dk/test/
> 
> 
> I'm working on a new design.
> 
> And naturally having an IE6 problem. The css in the menu are the
> same, except the Fly-outs are floated Right and Left. The problem is
> the Left side, where IE is placing a extra line, below the Sub-menu.
> 
> In Firefox 2.x, it works.
> 
> Any hints ??

Same 'hasLayout' trigger on anchors as before, but with the necessary
selector-addition to target the left menu also...

#menu ul li a, #menu_l ul li a  {height: 1%;}


> PS! Any hints on : Downsizing a picture nicely. The two pictures in
> the Content-area, in fact.

#center img {max-width: 90%; height: auto; width: auto;}

...will let those images stay at intrinsic size when there's enough
space, and scale down when necessary.
Doesn't work in IE6 and older - need separate styles, but all somewhat
new browsers will handle such scaling reasonably well.

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[css-d] Monospace font-size anomaly in Webkit

2008-12-22 Thread David Hucklesby
In most browsers running on 96 DPI displays, a font-size of 82%
displays at 13px. With the font stacks I am using, this is the
font-size I would like to use for monospace fonts to match 100%
font-size of other text.

Oddly, with a base font-size of 100% on the BODY, Safari (Win & Mac)
and Google Chrome display monospace font of 82% at a miniscule 11px.
Even more strange, if I change the base font to 16px, Webkit now
behaves as other browsers and displays this same font at 13px.

FWIW I do not see this behavior in other browsers - even Camino.

Should I expect this?

Cordially,
David
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[css-d] Menu-problem IE6

2008-12-22 Thread Ib Jensen
Hi

Link: ikjensen.dk/test/


I'm working on a new design.

And naturally having an IE6 problem.
The css in the menu are the same, except the Fly-outs are floated
Right and Left.
The problem is the Left side, where IE is placing a extra line, below
the Sub-menu.

In Firefox 2.x, it works.

Any hints ??


PS!
Any hints on : Downsizing a picture nicely. The two pictures in the
Content-area, in fact.

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Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE

2008-12-22 Thread David Laakso
Paul Jung wrote:
> I have a problem, it appears only in IE, here, 
> http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=7&totalRows_Recordset2=4919
> in this page, the layout just broken, the maincontent sank to the bottom. 
>
>
> Paul



It helps to state what browser version (there are a lot of them) of IE is 
giving a problem. I guess you mean IE/5.01.
Try changing the CSS in the IE 5 conditional comment to read:

.thrColFixHdr #header {height: 1%;} 
.thrColFixHdr #sidebar1 { width: 180px; }
.thrColFixHdr #sidebar2 { width: 190px; margin-left: 0; }
.thrColFixHdr #mainContent {width:520px; margin-left: 290px;margin-right: 
20px;} 

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Re: [css-d] ie/6 quirksmode "quirk"

2008-12-22 Thread David Laakso
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> David Laakso wrote:
>   
>> I have forgotten the work around for this: Padding is set on the 
>> bottom set of images and a nearly black background color. IE/6 is not
>>  honoring this. What to do?
>> 
>
>   
>> 
>> 
>
> Normal workaround: wrap the image in a span or whatever, and declare
> suitable paddings/bg-color on that element.
>
> For this particular case you may instead set margin-top: 100px on image
> for IE6 only, and give that old bugger a 250x250px near-black
> background-image placed '50% 50px no-repeat' on div.portfolio-minor.
> "Images on images" works fine when images are of same size.
>
> regards
>   Georg
>   



Thank you, Georg.



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Re: [css-d] ie/6 quirksmode "quirk"

2008-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Laakso wrote:
> I have forgotten the work around for this: Padding is set on the 
> bottom set of images and a nearly black background color. IE/6 is not
>  honoring this. What to do?

> 

Normal workaround: wrap the image in a span or whatever, and declare
suitable paddings/bg-color on that element.

For this particular case you may instead set margin-top: 100px on image
for IE6 only, and give that old bugger a 250x250px near-black
background-image placed '50% 50px no-repeat' on div.portfolio-minor.
"Images on images" works fine when images are of same size.

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[css-d] Menu-problem in IE6

2008-12-22 Thread Ib Jensen
Hi

Link: ikjensen.dk/test/


I'm working on a new design.

And naturally having an IE6 problem.
The css in the menu are the same, except the Fly-outs are floated
Right and Left.
The problem is the Left side, where IE is placing a extra line, below
the Sub-menu.

Any hints ??


PS!
Any hints on : Downsizing a picture nicely. The two pictures in the
Content-area, in fact.


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[css-d] overflow problem in IE

2008-12-22 Thread Paul Jung
Hello there,

I have a problem, it appears only in IE, here, 
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=7&totalRows_Recordset2=4919
in this page, the layout just broken, the maincontent sank to the bottom. 

The codes of the second div inside the right sidebar go: 

newreply {
 overflow: hidden;
 margin-top: 10px;
 margin-bottom: 10px;
 background-color: #F1F1FC;
 border: 1px solid #D2D2F7;
 display: block;
}

where did I make mistakes? Thank you very much!

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[css-d] ie/6 quirksmode "quirk"

2008-12-22 Thread David Laakso
I have forgotten the work around for this:
Padding is set on the bottom set of images and a nearly black background 
color. IE/6 is not honoring this. What to do?
html

Relevant selectors (#c div.portfolio-minor) at very top of style sheet. 
Overrides embedded in the head of the document.
css





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Re: [css-d] Chrome and css

2008-12-22 Thread eric
Quoting Bobby Jack :

> Is that the consensus here? Test on BOTH Safari and Chrome? Does   
> that mean you should also test on every point revision of Firefox,   
> every gecko-based browser, etc.?

I don't think there IS a consensus-- when it comes to questions of  
browser testing and support, that's nearly always the case.  I could  
find you people who say one should never test in IE, and others who  
say you should only ever test in IE.  And so on.

In any case, css-d isn't the right place to argue about which browsers  
one should or shouldn't support/test in/care about, which borders on  
being a religious discussion.  It is the right place to work out  
solutions to CSS problems in browsers, and work out the limitations in  
CSS support in browsers, and by "browsers" I mean any browser that has  
some level of CSS support.

So let's peel away the portions of the thread that have been about  
what browsers to support, and focus on how to support (or work around)  
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Re: [css-d] Help with Drop Down Menu

2008-12-22 Thread Lourens Thalen
Maybe you should use line-height...
So instead of padding-top and padding-bottom.. you can use:
height: 27px;
line-height: 27px;

that should work..

2008/12/20 taestrada :
> If you view my top navigation and drop down menu in IE 7, it looks "almost"
> perfect. I just need help with centering the entire navigation bar.
>
>
>
> If you view it in Firefox, the drop down menu is too low on the page. When I
> adjust it, it throws off IE 7 and becomes too high on the page.
>
>
>
> And if you view it in IE 6, it's a mess!
>
>
>
> I would certainly appreciate any help with this.
>
>
>
> http://www.drdarvish.com/dev/index.html
>
>
>
> Thanks so much,
>
>
>
> Alix Estrada
> Web Studio 180
>   www.webstudio180.com
> Web Design | Development | Usability
>
>
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Re: [css-d] help with box losing dimensions

2008-12-22 Thread Iñigo
Hi Simon,

what about fixed box and centered image?

   iñigo

2008/12/18 Simon 

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to use a carousel object, and we have the "hard bit working"
> the catch.. the box is losing it's dimensions..
>
> We can fix it by adding a fixed height/width as here, but I'd much rather
> have it be flexible,
> as we don't know the height..
>
> please help
>
> Fixed height code is here:
>
> .views-rotator {
>  display: block;
>  height: 500px;
>  width: 500px;
> }
>
> Example URL
>
> http://attractthat.com/homepage
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Re: [css-d] Chrome and css

2008-12-22 Thread Luc
Good morning Philippe, 

It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 10:28:19 GMT+0900 (which was
23:28:19 where I live) Philippe Wittenbergh would write:



> So you gonna worry about Chrome, a browser that is barely out of beta
> (if at all...) and is only used by a handful of geeks, but you don't  
> test you work in Safari ? Interesting.

I don't test in Safari because it originally was intended for the Mac
and never came around to install the windows version ...

I asked around because i think Chrome will get more exposure. It seems
pretty  slick  but  i'm not planning to test in each and every browser
that's  available. Besides that my post wasn't intended to start a 'in
which browser doe you _need_ to test' ;-)

> That said, as far as I've been able to see, Chrome's CSS support is  
> the same as Safari 3.0. The have a few glitches, but not much. The  
> main problem is the graphical rendering layer, which is different than
> Safari. But that has not much to do with CSS (it does affect things  
> like border-radius and opacity, though, it leaves some not-so-pretty  
> artifacts).

Well, if it works in Chrome, it seems to work in Safari too... so
that's like killing 2 birds with 1 stone ;-)

 
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Re: [css-d] Chrome and css

2008-12-22 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Mon, 12/22/08, david  wrote:

> My daughter's no geek (she's a fibre arts graduate) and uses Chrome on
> her Windows Vista desktop PC. Still you should test in Safari, too.

Is that the consensus here? Test on BOTH Safari and Chrome? Does that mean you 
should also test on every point revision of Firefox, every gecko-based browser, 
etc.?

My approach is to test solely on ONE of Safari/Chrome - currently Chrome 
because the Safari installer doesn't get past my local security settings :( 
Sure, I might take a quick glance once in a while at Safari's rendering (and, 
of course, test for JS separately) but my regular testing schedule is busy 
enough without adding another instance of the same rendering engine to the pile.

- Bobby


  
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Re: [css-d] margins and other problems with cobbles CSS/HTML

2008-12-22 Thread Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
Thanks,Georg.
I will try to get it cleaned up and then resend.
-Mike
==

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
> 
>> HTML: http://epicroadtrips.us/ert2.htm
> 
> Would be a good idea to move the myriad of inline-styles to the
> stylesheet, and get rid of the old HTML attributes that replicate CSS
> styling. Will make it easier to tune the layout to appear as you want,
> and maintain it.
> 
> The old HTML attributes are easy to spot by validating the page as 
> Strict...
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ...and the inline-styles are even easier to spot on their own. Having to
> modify styles both in the stylesheet and in the page makes debugging too
> time-consuming to bother with at my end, and you already have the
> necessary IDs, classes and element-names in source-code and stylesheet
> so you can see where to move those inline-styles.
> 
> BTW: margins don't fluctuate, but elements move when resized. Also not
> sure if you want margins or paddings to create spaces with, since you
> have a mix of both.
> 
> regards
> Georg

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Re: [css-d] Chrome and css

2008-12-22 Thread david
c...@gorge.org wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:28:19AM +0900, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
>> So you gonna worry about Chrome, a browser that is barely out of beta  
>> (if at all...) and is only used by a handful of geeks, but you don't  
>> test you work in Safari ? Interesting.
> 
> Chrome as a desktop browser is used by a handful of geeks,
> but it's on all the Google G1 phones (and jolly fast it is too!)
> so it's bound to get more use / exposure that way in time.

My daughter's no geek (she's a fibre arts graduate) and uses Chrome on 
her Windows Vista desktop PC. Still you should test in Safari, too. 
That's what the iPhone uses, IIRC. And there are _just a few more_ users 
of iPhones than Google phones at the moment.

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