[css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread Nicky McCatty 
I am working on a bilingual Greek-English site, using a Mac running OS  
10.5.6. Is there anything I have to do to make the fonts display  
properly, without buying a special edition of Dreamweaver?

Thanks,
Nicky

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Re: [css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread Jack Timmons 
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Nicky McCatty wrote:

> I am working on a bilingual Greek-English site, using a Mac running OS
> 10.5.6. Is there anything I have to do to make the fonts display
> properly, without buying a special edition of Dreamweaver?
>
> Thanks,
> Nicky
>

You'll need to be more specific. Are you talking about making the font
appear correctly on a webpage, or in the IDE you are using?

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Re: [css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread Jack Timmons 
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Nicky McCatty wrote:

> Hi Jack,
> I want the Greek to appear on a web page.
> Sometimes the characters with diacritical marks change into ascii junk, and
> sometimes they don't. I am using fonts that contain a complete set of Greek
> characters, but the results are inconsistent. Even with Symbol, I have
> unpredictable results.
>
> Thanks,
> Nicky
>

It sounds to me like it may be the browser you are using, either by an
incorrect character encoding on the user agent or in the data it's being
provided. I'm not quite sure myself, since it's way too early for me to be
involved in any sort of hunt like that. Or maybe I'm just a moron who needs
to consume a bit more coffee. All options are likely (and possible true, to
boot).

If you can provide an example page for us to see if we experience the same
effect, and also take a look at the CSS and markup to make sure that's not
the issue, we should be able to help. If it isn't a CSS related issue,
though, I'm sure everyone will appreciate if the problem is taken off-list
(either to direct e-mails or over on "The List").

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Re: [css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread Nicky McCatty 
Hi Jack,

I want the Greek to appear on a web page.

Sometimes the characters with diacritical marks change into ascii  
junk, and sometimes they don't. I am using fonts that contain a  
complete set of Greek characters, but the results are inconsistent.  
Even with Symbol, I have unpredictable results.

Thanks,
Nicky


Nicky McCatty
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fusing image & information
t...@signifydesign.com | www.signifydesign.com



On Feb 25, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Jack Timmons wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Nicky McCatty  
>  wrote:
> I am working on a bilingual Greek-English site, using a Mac running OS
> 10.5.6. Is there anything I have to do to make the fonts display
> properly, without buying a special edition of Dreamweaver?
>
> Thanks,
> Nicky
>
> You'll need to be more specific. Are you talking about making the  
> font appear correctly on a webpage, or in the IDE you are using?
>
> -- 
> -Jack Timmons
> http://www.trotlc.com
> Twitter: @jorachim

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Re: [css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread David Hucklesby 
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:34:46 -0600, Jack Timmons wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Nicky McCatty wrote:
>
>> Hi Jack,
>> I want the Greek to appear on a web page.
>> Sometimes the characters with diacritical marks change into ascii junk, and
>> sometimes they don't. I am using fonts that contain a complete set of Greek
>> characters, but the results are inconsistent. Even with Symbol, I have
>> unpredictable results.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nicky
>>
>
> It sounds to me like it may be the browser you are using, either by an
> incorrect character encoding on the user agent or in the data it's being
> provided. I'm not quite sure myself, since it's way too early for me to be
> involved in any sort of hunt like that. Or maybe I'm just a moron who needs
> to consume a bit more coffee. All options are likely (and possible true, to
> boot).
>

This may be due to Dreamweaver, too. DW 3 is the first version that
fully supports UTF-8 encoding. I don't know if even that version has
Unicode turned on by default, but that's what I would check first.

You could also use the ISO encoding for Greek instead, I suppose,
but then you'd have problems mixing languages. Try setting DW to
use UTF-8 encoding - assuming you have a recent version. 

Make sure, too, that the headers sent from the server identify the
site as UTF-8 encoded, and that your FTP is uploading all files as
binary, not ASCII.

Cordially,
David
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[css-d] Is the browser using clientWidth properties to determine the size of a box? (IE)

2009-02-25 Thread Bastien MOYET 
Hi,

I have a box A of 300px (div for instance) with the overflow set to
auto, which contains an other box B of 100%. If the height of B is
lesser than A no scrollbar are displayed, which is OK. However if its
height is greater than A, a scrollbar appears, which is still OK. But
in firefox the B clientWidth is normally set to 283px (as stated in
http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_cssom.html#t41, this property
excludes scrollbar) so the B content is reduced, whereas in IE, the
clientWidth also set to 283px, the B content isn't resized. So some
content goes under the scrollbar and an horizontal scrollbar appears.

You can find my test page at the adress
http://www.fallengalaxy.com/~fedaykin/bloc.html or simply a picture of
this bug at http://fallengalaxy.com/~fedaykin/scrollbar.png.

If somebody has some tips to avoid this appearance I would appreciate.

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Re: [css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread Jukka K. Korpela 
Nicky McCatty wrote:

> I want the Greek to appear on a web page.

As others have commented, this is not a CSS question. Moreover, a URL would 
be needed for any constructive discussion.

> Even with Symbol, I have unpredictable results.

This suggests that your entire approach might be completely wrong, 
"fontistic fantacy", see
http://www.alanflavell.org.uk/charset/fontface-harmful.html
which applies equally well to CSS attempts at extending character repertoire 
with font tricks.

The Symbol font is unusable in web authoring, as it has wrong glyphs for 
characters. It has e.g. an alpha where the letter "a" should appear, and 
this error might be useful in some contexts, but not on the web where you 
cannot really _control_ fonts, just suggest.

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Re: [css-d] Is the browser using clientWidth properties to determine the size of a box? (IE)

2009-02-25 Thread Bill Brown 
Bastien MOYET wrote:
> I have a box A of 300px (div for instance) with the overflow set to
> auto, which contains an other box B of 100%. If the height of B is
> lesser than A no scrollbar are displayed, which is OK. However if its
> height is greater than A, a scrollbar appears, which is still OK. But
> in firefox the B clientWidth is normally set to 283px (as stated in
> http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/w3c_cssom.html#t41, this property
> excludes scrollbar) so the B content is reduced, whereas in IE, the
> clientWidth also set to 283px, the B content isn't resized. So some
> content goes under the scrollbar and an horizontal scrollbar appears.
> You can find my test page at the adress
> http://www.fallengalaxy.com/~fedaykin/bloc.html or simply a picture of
> this bug at http://fallengalaxy.com/~fedaykin/scrollbar.png.
> If somebody has some tips to avoid this appearance I would appreciate.

Remove the 'width:100%' and leave the default 'display:block' and 
'width:auto' on the div. This will automatically make room for the 
scrollbar on the outer div.

If you need to use a table, wrap the table in a div and set the table's 
width to 100%, but leave the wrapper div width at auto.

Like this:

~~~

   
 Content here will scroll...
   


   
 
   
 
   Content here will scroll...
 
   
 
   

~~~

Hope it helps.
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[css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread Ib Jensen 
Hi.

Link: http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/index_f.html


Why are IE6 behaving like this, forming a staircase (at least locally)
out of this.

Mising some clearing or ..


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Re: [css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun 
Ib Jensen wrote:

> Link: http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/index_f.html
> 
> Why are IE6 behaving like this, forming a staircase (at least locally)
> out of this.

Described as "the staircase bug" on some bug lists.

Many ways to fix it, but adding the following...

.postinfo {border-bottom: solid 1px #f4f4f4;}

...is one of the oldest and most reliable fixes.

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Re: [css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread Ib Jensen 
2009/2/25 Gunlaug Sørtun :
> Ib Jensen wrote:
>
>> Link: http://ikjensen.dk/test/common/index_f.html
>>

> Described as "the staircase bug" on some bug lists.


Thanks.

BTW. Are there any links to descriptions of the bugs found in IE, with
some sort of explanation and solutions to them. I know (Big) John has
some, but are there others ?




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Re: [css-d] other alphabets

2009-02-25 Thread Kathy Wheeler 

On 26/02/2009, at 1:24 AM, Nicky McCatty wrote:
> I want the Greek to appear on a web page.
>
> Sometimes the characters with diacritical marks change into ascii
> junk, and sometimes they don't. I am using fonts that contain a
> complete set of Greek characters, but the results are inconsistent.
> Even with Symbol, I have unpredictable results.

There is an interesting article at:
http://blog.thinkphp.de/archives/342-Multilingual-Websites-with-PHP.html

It covers things that may explain your display problems:
[ excerpt: ]
"There are several places where you can specify the character  
encoding for you pages: XML declaration, HTML meta tag, HTTP Content- 
Type header. It is important to specify the same encoding in all  
definitions. You should not leave out a definition because this can  
result in the browser trying to guess the encoding from the  
informations available. You can for example send your document with  
UTF-8 definition only in the HTTP header. But if you save that  
document to disk and display the saved file, the browser is missing  
the encoding and has to guess, which does not always work well..."

Cheers,
KathyW.
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[css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread JR Heard 
Hi all,

The image contained by the first  of the  under "customers" is
having "style='display:none;'" applied to it in FF3, according to
Firebug. Doesn't show up like that in the source, can't reproduce this
problem in IE7, and I can't find any CSS or JS that would be targeting
the display attribute of the image contained by the first element of
the first list. Markup validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict. Anyone have any
idea what's going on? Does this show up in your FF3 as well? (The
first image should say "Adbrite", as "AdEngage" is actually the second
image in the list.)

Thanks very much,
-JR
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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread Els 
JR Heard wrote:

> Anyone have any idea what's going on? Does this show up in your FF3
> as well? (The first image should say "Adbrite", as "AdEngage" is
> actually the second image in the list.)

You have a URL? ;-)

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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread JR Heard 
Eep, sorry about that!

http://jrheard.com/orl/index.php/anchor/resources/category/customers_partners/

Thanks,
-JR

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Els  wrote:
> JR Heard wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any idea what's going on? Does this show up in your FF3
>> as well? (The first image should say "Adbrite", as "AdEngage" is
>> actually the second image in the list.)
>
> You have a URL? ;-)
>
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Re: [css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun 
Ib Jensen wrote:

> BTW. Are there any links to descriptions of the bugs found in IE,
> with some sort of explanation and solutions to them. I know (Big)
> John has some, but are there others ?

Quite a few bugs presented and dissected here:


Also a good idea to check IE's CSS support...


...so you have an idea what various versions can and can not do.

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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread Els 
JR Heard wrote:

[ 

 
 ]

> The image contained by the first  of the  under "customers"
> is having "style='display:none;'" applied to it in FF3, according to
> Firebug. Doesn't show up like that in the source, can't reproduce
> this problem in IE7, and I can't find any CSS or JS that would be
> targeting the display attribute of the image contained by the first
> element of the first list. Markup validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict.
> Anyone have any idea what's going on? Does this show up in your FF3
> as well? (The first image should say "Adbrite", as "AdEngage" is
> actually the second image in the list.)

In my FF3 that's what's there, exactly the same as in IE7.
In FF3 on Mac the same, no problems. AdBrite logo is there in all of 
them.

Sometimes Firebug plays up - have you tried closing Firebug, 
refreshing the page, and then opening Firebug again?

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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread David Laakso 
JR Heard wrote:
>  Anyone have any
> idea what's going on? Does this show up in your FF3 as well? (The
> first image should say "Adbrite", as "AdEngage" is actually the second
> image in the list.)
>
>
> -JR
>   
re: 



Adbrite is first this end in:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) 
Gecko/2009011912 Firefox/3.0.6

and

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.6) Gecko/2009011913 
Firefox/3.0.6 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)







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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread JR Heard 
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:41 PM, David Laakso
 wrote:
> Adbrite is first this end

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Els  wrote:
> In my FF3 that's what's there, exactly the same as in IE7.
> In FF3 on Mac the same, no problems. AdBrite logo is there in all of them.

Well, that's comforting, thanks to both of you - guess it's just me.
I've done all sorts of refreshing and restarting of Firebug/FF,
including killing the FF process and restarting it, but still AdBrite
seems to want to hide from me. Ah well, such mysteries are par for the
course in the life of a web developer. Thanks again for your time!

Best,
-JR
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Re: [css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread David Laakso 
Ib Jensen wrote:
>
> BTW. Are there any links to descriptions of the bugs found in IE, with
> some sort of explanation and solutions to them. I know (Big) John has
> some, but are there others ?
>
>
>
>
>   

Some more...






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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread Els 
JR Heard wrote:

> AdBrite seems to want to hide from me. Ah well, such mysteries are
> par for the course in the life of a web developer. Thanks again for
> your time!

Just one more thought - haven't you accidentally blocked it with 
adblock or something? one click sometimes is enough.

I just tested what happens if I adblock an image, and Firebug then 
gives display:none for the element.style.

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Re: [css-d] First element of list hiding for some reason

2009-02-25 Thread JR Heard 
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Els  wrote:
> Just one more thought - haven't you accidentally blocked it with adblock or
> something? one click sometimes is enough.
>
> I just tested what happens if I adblock an image, and Firebug then gives
> display:none for the element.style.

Els:

You are a fantastic person. Looks like that was the root cause after
all - I can now see AdBrite again. I owe you a beer.

-JR
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Re: [css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread Ib Jensen 
2009/2/26 David Laakso :
> Ib Jensen wrote:
>>
>> BTW. Are there any links to descriptions of the bugs found in IE, with
>> some sort of explanation and solutions to them. I know (Big) John has
>> some, but are there others ?

> Some more...
> 
> 

Thanks to both for the information.

There is problably more out there in cyperspace, just have to find them.



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Re: [css-d] What's IE6 doing

2009-02-25 Thread Del Wegener 



> 2009/2/26 David Laakso :
>> Ib Jensen wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW. Are there any links to descriptions of the bugs found in IE, with
>>> some sort of explanation and solutions to them. I know (Big) John has
>>> some, but are there others ?
>
>> Some more...
>> 
>> 
>
> Thanks to both for the information.
>
> There is problably more out there in cyperspace, just have to find them.
>
>
Someone else may have already referred you to
http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/MSIE6Bugs/
Not only is there an extensive list, but there are links to many other 
sites.  Those links are found immediately after bug number 119.  Al you need 
to do is figure out which bug you are facing.

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