Re: [css-d] Sticky footer - double decker possible?

2009-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Anne E. Shroeder wrote:

 http://www.language-works.com/swim/comp.jpg 
 http://www.language-works.com/swim/stickyfooter.htm
 
 Is it possible to code this?

Think so...

http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/aes/test_09_0419.html
http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/aes/test_09_0419_files/main.css

Method used: http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/companions.html

The details (fine-tuning and IE6 hacking) are left to you.

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Re: [css-d] page review

2009-04-19 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/4/19 David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com:
 Comments and suggestions appreciated.

 http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/op8/index.html


Well, I got an 404

Local time : 9.05
Denmark



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Re: [css-d] page review

2009-04-19 Thread David Laakso
Ib Jensen wrote:
 2009/4/19 David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com:
   
 Comments and suggestions appreciated.
 

   
 http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/op8/index.html
 


 Well, I got an 404
   


Online now. Thanks, Ib.
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Re: [css-d] Hard to achieve pure CSS layout

2009-04-19 Thread Frederico Caldeira Knabben
Hi Bill,

 At best, any configuration will be fragile in a cross browser setting.
 You could increase its robustness if you used known heights for the
 header and footer, which I gather is not something you want. If I were
 asked to code this for a client, I'd use a simple JavaScript, which
 could accomplish it quite easily.

You got it... we can't use fixed heights in any way. We are trying a pure
CSS solution, so the browser would take care of everything. 

The fact is that a JavaScript solution is not as simple as it seems. Due to
the way CKEditor is dynamically created inside pages, it happens that the
DOM structure is created even before the CSS that styles it is available.
All that happens after the page load event. So, even if we use JavaScript to
calculate the heights on the fly, the header and footer blocks sizes will
suddenly change after the CSS is loaded and applied. Also, changes may
happen even at the editor runtime, and depending on the window resize event
is not enough for it. That's why we have a desperate need for CSS only.

Not considering the way CSS works, but instead aiming to have CSS working
for the real world needs, I still find it a basic need that the current CSS
standards are simply missing. Even today using fixed heights, the solutions
are only CSS hacks. It's not even clear if the so rich CSS3 will provide
any tool in this sense, but this is off topic right now.

I still have hope!

Fred


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Re: [css-d] Hard to achieve pure CSS layout

2009-04-19 Thread David Laakso

 Not considering the way CSS works, but instead aiming to have CSS working
 for the real world needs, I still find it a basic need that the current CSS
 standards are simply missing. 

 Fred

   



Some CSS standards are indeed simply missing among some browsers, and 
one browser in particular. What may be missing in your real world need 
is that CSS copes with look and feel, not behavior-- if you want 
behavior you'll need to attach a programming language to the CSS.
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Re: [css-d] Browser issues

2009-04-19 Thread Ada Elgavish
Thanks.

Ada

-Original Message-
From: Alan Gresley [mailto:a...@css-class.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:02 AM
To: Climis, Tim
Cc: Ada Elgavish; 'css-d@lists.css-discuss.org'
Subject: Re: [css-d] Browser issues

Climis, Tim wrote:
 What do you mean by a bit of a margin doubling bug? I would love to
 fix any problems you detect.
 
 If you look closely (and it's easier to see with a firefox extension
like IETab), you'll notice that the margins between things are bigger in
IE than in Firefox/Safari/Opera.  Usually the cause of this is a bug in
IE.
[...]
 ---Tim


What bug? This is just default vertical margins being fixed in IE7- at 
14.25pt or 19px. All other browsers (including IE8) have default 
vertical margins of 1em which is equivalent to 16px (under a 16px text 
size setting).


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[css-d] popup image, a element, href, Safari and IE7

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Funk
Trying a popup image effect based on Eric Meyer's demo 
http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html

Here is my scaled down attempt.
http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/css/csspopup.html

It works in Firefox 3.0.8, IE8 and Opera9 but IE7 chokes when the href 
attribute is not present and Safari for Windows works not at all.

What am I missing? Can anyone help?

Thanks for thinking about this.

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Re: [css-d] popup image, a element, href, Safari and IE7

2009-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brian Funk wrote:

 http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/css/csspopup.html
 
 It works in Firefox 3.0.8, IE8 and Opera9 but IE7 chokes when the
 href attribute is not present and Safari for Windows works not at
 all.

Missing closing bracket on 'a:hover img' throws Safari off. This error
is reported by the CSS validator as Parse Error [empty string].

For IE7: add 'a {height: 1%;}', or another hasLayout trigger, to make
the anchor without href work.

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Re: [css-d] popup image, a element, href, Safari and IE7

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Funk
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Brian Funk wrote:
 
 http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/css/csspopup.html

 It works in Firefox 3.0.8, IE8 and Opera9 but IE7 chokes when the
 href attribute is not present and Safari for Windows works not at
 all.
 
 Missing closing bracket on 'a:hover img' throws Safari off. This error
 is reported by the CSS validator as Parse Error [empty string].

oops. Thanks for spotting that. :-s


 For IE7: add 'a {height: 1%;}', or another hasLayout trigger, to make
 the anchor without href work.

The hasLayout trigger doesn't seem to work. I tried adding specificity 
by using ul li a {height: 1%;} without success. I have also tried zoom: 
1; and display: inline-block;

The situation persists.

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Re: [css-d] popup image, a element, href, Safari and IE7

2009-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brian Funk wrote:

 http://www.stoneladder.ca/sandbox/css/csspopup.html

 The hasLayout trigger doesn't seem to work.

Ok, I overlooked that I had a double-fix in there, and contributed
IE7's positive response to the wrong fix.

Here's another dirty trick to make IE7 behave...

http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/bf/test_09_0420.html

In short: make the ':hover' selector look like this...

a:hover img, x:hover img {...}

...with a nonsensical reference following the real one. Any selector can
replace the x, as long as it isn't an a. Go figure :-)


I also added a fix for IE6 in there...

a:hover {background-position: 0;}

...but that one only makes the complete link work since IE6 doesn't
support ':hover' on non-links.

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