Re: [css-d] Fixes needed for IE 6.0

[Kim Brooks Wei]

Hi David (and all),

Your fix worked great and now I am IE 6 compatible. A dubious 
distinction, but one I'm very happy with nonetheless. Thank you!

I'm never sure what the protocol is for expressing thanks for help I 
get through the list. Every once and a while the suggestions I get 
here don't solve my problems directly but most of the time they are 
entirely spot-on. On the rare occasions when I don't get a fix 
directly the suggestions I do get always help me establish the 
direction I ought to be pursuing to find a fix on my own. I am very 
grateful for the help that's come to me from the list. Thanks to all 
. . .

Cheers,
Kimi


At 10:05 AM -0400 10/05/29, David Laakso wrote:
>Kim Brooks Wei wrote:
>>Hi People,
>>
>>This site http://bit.ly/uVTaf works well in all the browsers I need 
>>(Safari , Firefox and IE 7.0+) except IE 6.0. Are there fixes I can 
>>install to make it work in 6.0 too?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Kimi
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Our dear friend in Redmond does not support position:fixed; nor does 
>it support min/max width or height.
>The simplest solution is to feed IE/6 position absolute rather than 
>fixed; and feed IE/6 a fixed width that does not draw a scroll bar 
>at 1024 [see fixes below].
>
>
>PS Since you never seem to reply other when something is wrong, we 
>never really know if what is sent to you works, whether you have 
>consulted another list, found a better fix on your own, or consulted 
>a crystal ball... :-)
>
>desktop
>http://chelseacreekstudio.com/


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Re: [css-d] Fixes needed for IE 6.0

[David Laakso]

Kim Brooks Wei wrote:
> Hi David (and all),
>
> Your fix worked great and now I am IE 6 compatible. A dubious 
> distinction, but one I'm very happy with nonetheless. Thank you!
>
>
> Kimi
>
>








OK.

You may want to check you page at 1024 in any compliant browser...

Best,
William Blake

TIGER, tiger, burning bright 
In the forests of the night, 
What immortal hand or eye 
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?






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[css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly

[Matthew]

Hello,

I've set up a table which is supposed to line up with content about and below 
it that is formatted as unordered list elements. To do this, I gave the table a 
left margin quality in CSS. This seemed to work fine, but unfortunately, I 
noticed that in Firefox the table wasn't lined up correctly. So I added an 
empty first column with a fixed width to the table. Again this shows up fine in 
other browsers, but in Firefox (Mac) the text again is misaligned. Is there a 
trick to get Firefox to behave in this situation?

Here is the page I'm working on

http://em-w.com/resume.html

You can see my problem if you compare the content under the "tools" section in 
Firefox versus other broswer.

Any help is, as always, greatly appreciated.

Your humble CSS n00b,
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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly

[Jay Tanna]

Try to put the following code at the end of your css:



td {
padding-left: 16px;
}



Effectively, I am padding the left side by 16px.  You will need to readjust 
this figure.

Incidentally, I tested your site in Firefox 3.6.3 and IE8 and both are showing 
identical and the data is misalligned in both.

Hope this gives you an idea.  



--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Matthew  wrote:


> I've set up a table which is supposed to line up with
> content about and below it that is formatted as unordered
> list elements. To do this, I gave the table a left margin
> quality in CSS. This seemed to work fine, but unfortunately,
> I noticed that in Firefox the table wasn't lined up
> correctly. So I added an empty first column with a fixed
> width to the table. Again this shows up fine in other
> browsers, but in Firefox (Mac) the text again is misaligned.
> Is there a trick to get Firefox to behave in this
> situation?
> 
> Here is the page I'm working on
> 
> http://em-w.com/resume.html
> 
> You can see my problem if you compare the content under the
> "tools" section in Firefox versus other broswer.
> 



  
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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly

[Matthew]

That works! Thank you!

On Jun 1, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Jay Tanna wrote:

> Try to put the following code at the end of your css:
> 
> 
> 
> td {
>   padding-left: 16px;
> }
> 
> 
> 
> Effectively, I am padding the left side by 16px.  You will need to readjust 
> this figure.
> 
> Incidentally, I tested your site in Firefox 3.6.3 and IE8 and both are 
> showing identical and the data is misalligned in both.
> 
> Hope this gives you an idea.  
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Matthew  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I've set up a table which is supposed to line up with
>> content about and below it that is formatted as unordered
>> list elements. To do this, I gave the table a left margin
>> quality in CSS. This seemed to work fine, but unfortunately,
>> I noticed that in Firefox the table wasn't lined up
>> correctly. So I added an empty first column with a fixed
>> width to the table. Again this shows up fine in other
>> browsers, but in Firefox (Mac) the text again is misaligned.
>> Is there a trick to get Firefox to behave in this
>> situation?
>> 
>> Here is the page I'm working on
>> 
>> http://em-w.com/resume.html
>> 
>> You can see my problem if you compare the content under the
>> "tools" section in Firefox versus other broswer.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly -- SAFARI issue

[Matthew]

Hi Jay and everyone,

It turns out this does help, as I can now manipulate the spacing across 
different platforms. However there is still an issue with Safari.

In other browsers it seem that the proper setting is

> td {
>   padding-left: 40px;
> }



but in Safari, this makes the content in the table appear too far to the left. 
In Safari this must be set to 16px.

If you have Safari and can check out: http://em-w.com/resume.html

you'll see what I mean. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thank you!
Matthew


On Jun 1, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Jay Tanna wrote:

> Try to put the following code at the end of your css:
> 
> 
> 
> td {
>   padding-left: 16px;
> }
> 
> 
> 
> Effectively, I am padding the left side by 16px.  You will need to readjust 
> this figure.
> 
> Incidentally, I tested your site in Firefox 3.6.3 and IE8 and both are 
> showing identical and the data is misalligned in both.
> 
> Hope this gives you an idea.  
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Matthew  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I've set up a table which is supposed to line up with
>> content about and below it that is formatted as unordered
>> list elements. To do this, I gave the table a left margin
>> quality in CSS. This seemed to work fine, but unfortunately,
>> I noticed that in Firefox the table wasn't lined up
>> correctly. So I added an empty first column with a fixed
>> width to the table. Again this shows up fine in other
>> browsers, but in Firefox (Mac) the text again is misaligned.
>> Is there a trick to get Firefox to behave in this
>> situation?
>> 
>> Here is the page I'm working on
>> 
>> http://em-w.com/resume.html
>> 
>> You can see my problem if you compare the content under the
>> "tools" section in Firefox versus other broswer.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly -- SAFARI issue

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Matthew wrote:

> In other browsers it seem that the proper setting is
> 
>> td {
>>  padding-left: 40px;
>> }
> 
> 
> 
> but in Safari, this makes the content in the table appear too far to the 
> left. In Safari this must be set to 16px.
> 
> If you have Safari and can check out: http://em-w.com/resume.html
> 
> you'll see what I mean. Does anyone have any ideas?

Dunno, I would start with this:


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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly

[David Hucklesby]

On 6/1/10 10:41 AM, Matthew wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've set up a table which is supposed to line up with content about
> and below it that is formatted as unordered list elements. To do
> this, I gave the table a left margin quality in CSS. This seemed to
> work fine, but unfortunately, I noticed that in Firefox the table
> wasn't lined up correctly. So I added an empty first column with a
> fixed width to the table. Again this shows up fine in other browsers,
> but in Firefox (Mac) the text again is misaligned. Is there a trick
> to get Firefox to behave in this situation?
>
> Here is the page I'm working on
>
> http://em-w.com/resume.html
>
> You can see my problem if you compare the content under the "tools"
> section in Firefox versus other broswer.
>

Well, I have never seen  as a child of a  before, although the 
validator seems happy. I imagine your trouble may come from where the 
browser might imagine the padding-left for the UL/OL should go were one 
to exist.

I took the  out of the table cells and added this to the CSS:

#mainContentResume table {
 width: 25em;
}
#mainContentResume td {
 background: url(mw_bulletDIAMOND-1.png) no-repeat 20px 3px;
 padding-bottom: 6px;
padding-left: 40px;
}

It's very close in IE8, FF and Safari, but a bit off in IE7.

BTW - The header is borked in IE6.

Hope this helps.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly -- SAFARI issue

[Matthew]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

> 
> On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Matthew wrote:
> 
>> In other browsers it seem that the proper setting is
>> 
>>> td {
>>> padding-left: 40px;
>>> }
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> but in Safari, this makes the content in the table appear too far to the 
>> left. In Safari this must be set to 16px.
>> 
>> If you have Safari and can check out: http://em-w.com/resume.html
>> 
>> you'll see what I mean. Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Dunno, I would start with this:
> 
> 
> Philippe
> ---
> Philippe Wittenbergh
> http://l-c-n.com/


Is this the "how dare you make so many HTML/CSS violations and still seek our 
knowledge?!?!11?" missive?

If so, sorry for wasting your time. If not, please help me understand why my 
site doesn't work in Safari. Your message does nothing to help! Thanks!

The eternal CSS n00b,
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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly -- SAFARI issue

[Alan Gresley]

Matthew wrote:
> On Jun 1, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Matthew wrote:
>>
>>> In other browsers it seem that the proper setting is
>>>
 td {
padding-left: 40px;
 }
>>>
>>>
>>> but in Safari, this makes the content in the table appear too far to the 
>>> left. In Safari this must be set to 16px.
>>>
>>> If you have Safari and can check out: http://em-w.com/resume.html
>>>
>>> you'll see what I mean. Does anyone have any ideas?
>> Dunno, I would start with this:
>> 
>>
>> Philippe
>> ---
>> Philippe Wittenbergh
>> http://l-c-n.com/
> 
> 
> Is this the "how dare you make so many HTML/CSS violations and still seek our 
> knowledge?!?!11?" missive?
> 
> If so, sorry for wasting your time. If not, please help me understand why my 
> site doesn't work in Safari. Your message does nothing to help! Thanks!
> 
> The eternal CSS n00b,
> Matthew


We can not know fully if the cause of the trouble is a rendering error 
or if the difference is due to browser recovery of mangled HTML. Each 
browser has a different recovery mode.

In you current HTML, you have list items  that are not enclosed 
with either a  or .


Quark/InDesign


Do you suggest that we create a test case to see if Safari handles 
this invalid HTML differently. This is the first thing we would do anyway.


BTW, Philippe provides great help on this list and he like the rest of 
us are willing to help.


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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly -- SAFARI issue

[Theresa Mesa]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Matthew wrote:

> 
> 
> Is this the "how dare you make so many HTML/CSS violations and still seek our 
> knowledge?!?!11?" missive?
> 
> If so, sorry for wasting your time. If not, please help me understand why my 
> site doesn't work in Safari. Your message does nothing to help! Thanks!
> 
> The eternal CSS n00b,
> Matthew
> _

But validation problems can make the page not work in certain browsers. It's a 
valid concern to validate your page.

Before you even work in CSS, you *have* to have a good grasp of HTML. If you 
have a good grasp of it, then correcting the errors in your code should be a 
piece of cake, and will make the page more likely to work in Safari and in 
other browsers on both platforms. Safari is really not that difficult to make 
behave.

CSS and HTML work in concert with each other. CSS does not operate in a vacuum. 
Once you get a handle on your HTML too, you will be that much closer to no 
longer being a CSS n00b.

I'm no expert, but I'm no n00b, either. I spend about half my time working in 
print, so I get out of practice with coding. I make some dumb mistakes, but 
they're rarely because I did something that would make my HTML and CSS code not 
validate. It's also a lot easier to get help from others when I'm not making 
the people I'm asking for help from to do EXTRA work to try to figure out where 
my code is hiccuping. They're helping out of the goodness of their hearts. The 
least I can do is make sure I'm not making extra work for them. If I do, I 
can't be surprised if they don't help me at all. They're busy building sites 
themselves.

Theresa
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Re: [css-d] Firefox wont align content in a table properly

[David Hucklesby]

On 6/1/10 10:41 AM, Matthew wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've set up a table which is supposed to line up with content about
> and below it that is formatted as unordered list elements.
[...]
>
> Here is the page I'm working on
>
> http://em-w.com/resume.html
>
P.S. You may also be interested in this article:



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