Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[John D]

-Original Message- 
From: Angela French

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:23 PM
To: Eric A. Meyer ; CSS-D Discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

I missed it.  I posted a few times over the last few months but didn't know 
what the issue was.  I have always appreciated the vast experience of the 
people on this list.  More than once someone helped me out of a pickle.  In 
addition, I would often read threads that didn't necessarily have any 
connection to a current issue I was fretting over, but the subject line 
caught my attention as something worth reading.  This list has definitely 
contributed to my cSS knowledge over the years.  I hope it keeps going.


Angela French
WA State Board for Community and Technical Colleges



Me too.  I posted a message to ask about it on 12th of December but the 
email bounced or it wasn't delivered.  I then thought I will try to contact 
Tom Livingstone to ask him if he knows anything but I didn't because I 
thought he is a very busy man and I can't trouble him for this.



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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Tom Livingston]

I would miss it. I use(ed) it frequently and was glad for the expertise
that I knew was at the other side of responses I received. I also enjoy
helping people with issues as well.  I did attempt to reach you on Twitter
on Nov 19 when I first found my posts not getting through. I do hope you
would consider a fourth option of just keeping it up.



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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Kathy Wheeler]

LOl yes, 4. Do nothing ...


On 12/24/2015, at 10:44 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

> I do hope you
> would consider a fourth option of just keeping it up.

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[css-d] list life

[Leslie Albuquerque]

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have offered to me when I was in a jam and needed help. A, the elixir of 
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[J.C. Berry]

+1 on Karl's opinion and suggestion.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Karl DeSaulniers 
wrote:

> +1
>
> 4th option
>
> This list is invaluable. I have watched people grow in understanding and
> experience here. To go away now would be a real shame IMO. Not to burden
> you with any extra work, but you need to start a JavaScript list too. This
> type of interaction on things is what's invaluable. You don't get the same
> on Stack because everyone is worried about points. Here it's just real
> help. Please don't go.
>
> Best,
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[John D]

Hi, everyone,

   So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of us 
really noticed until this month.  Or, if people noticed, nobody mentioned 
it until this month.


I did noticed it but my messages weren't reaching to anybody.

I thought that somebody posted some spam messages using my email and so you 
decided to remove me from the list.  I tried to login but my password wasn't 
accepted.  So this made me think that this is it.  I have become a 
persona-non-grata and I have been unsubscribed.


I have recently stared learning "Bootstrap Essentials" and so this list is 
ideal for it especially when it comes to css aspects.






1. Shut down the list.  To all good things, etc.  This obviously 
abandons those who still prize having a mailing list, but that number 
seems very small.  Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to 
the hiatus was conducted between a small number of subscribers.  Of 
course, a new list could be started by someone else.


Continue with the list but enlist the help of volunteer from this list so 
that two of you can manage it efficiently.




2. Hand the list off to someone else, to guide as they see fit.


I guess enlisting the help of a volunteer or volunteers is the best way 
forward.


People here can vote for somebody to volunteer so that we have somebody 
elected by users.


Anyway me thinks so.


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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Rick Gordon]

I've been an infrequent poster, and I do use Internet searches, 
css-tricks.com (though I haven't used the forum yet, and maybe I 
should), etc. as my first line.


However, I've found this invaluable when it just comes down to something 
I can't figure out, and know that there are people on this list that 
will actually take a look and offer expert suggestions.


I guess I haven't figured out how to get traction on StackOverflow. It's 
great for finding discussions that are already there, but anytime I've 
posted my own question, it just seems to be lost in the land of Too Much 
Information.


So this is not a CSS question per se, but any tips on how to get advice 
as reliably as on this list are most welcome.


I actually was trying to post when I noticed that everything was getting 
bounced, but I already figured out my problem there.


Rick Gordon

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On 12/23/15, 12:35 PM, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
There are a lot of other venues for discussing CSS these days, and 
most of the reason for this list existing-- to help people figure out 
how CSS worked, and fix problems-- is covered much more compellingly 
by sites like StackOverflow.

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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Shaf Syed]

Eric,

I am sorry you have to come to these decisions. But since I cannot see it
from your perspective I am confident you will make the proper choice for
all. I originally got on the list when I first started my journey with CSS
and at that time there were not many resources available. Now with the
proliferation of the Web it is not difficult to find alternatives. One of
the reasons I joined was to have peer discussions with you and other
notable experts in the field. To my surprise it was not that and the amount
of your participation in this group was not what I expected. Regardless, I
vote for the first option. If this group was active such as Sitepoint
forums where one can seek direct assistance it would be worth it to have
access to specialized peers. In contrast to Sitepoint and other CSS forums
this mailing list had the potential to be something "special" and
"personal". Unfortunately, from my observance and lack of participation,
the mailing list has not evolved into something great. I support you in
whatever decision you make. Thanks for all your efforts.

-Shaf

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Eric A. Meyer  wrote:

> Hi, everyone,
>
>So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of us
> really noticed until this month.  Or, if people noticed, nobody mentioned
> it until this month.  It took a while to get in touch with someone who
> could get the software restarted, but I'm told it's back up.  If you're
> reading this, then yes, it's back up.
>This hiatus and its lack of observance has led me to wonder about the
> utility of css-discuss, and whether it needs to continue.  There are a lot
> of other venues for discussing CSS these days, and most of the reason for
> this list existing-- to help people figure out how CSS worked, and fix
> problems-- is covered much more compellingly by sites like StackOverflow.
> The resources that used to support css-d, like the public archive and the
> wiki, have fallen into disuse or disrepair over the years.  In general,
> there's a faded feeling here, at least for me.
>Thus, I'm now pondering three courses of action:
>
>1. Shut down the list.  To all good things, etc.  This obviously
> abandons those who still prize having a mailing list, but that number seems
> very small.  Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to the
> hiatus was conducted between a small number of subscribers.  Of course, a
> new list could be started by someone else.
>2. Hand the list off to someone else, to guide as they see fit.  This
> involves the very difficult task of finding someone who's interested, and
> making a good choice.  This is the least appealing of the three, honestly,
> because of the possibility of getting things wrong.
>3. Convert the list from "Practical discussions of CSS and its use" to
> more general discussion about anything CSS-related.  That would include
> theoretical musings, discussion of what CSS should or shouldn't be, where
> it should go in the future, the general theory of CSS, and so on.  I'm less
> inclined to go this route, as there are other places to grapple with the
> deeper issues of CSS (like www-style, not to mention blogs and social
> media).
>
> At this point, perhaps due to pride and ego but perhaps simply due to
> feeling that the time has come, I'm leaning toward option 1.  January 24,
> 2016, will be the 14th anniversary of the list.  That leaves a month to
> either settle on a different course of action, or else to plan a shutdown.
>If anyone has strong feelings that it should be one of the other two
> options, or a fourth option I didn't list, feel free to let me know
> off-list.  I may not be able to respond to every message, but I will read
> them all.  I expect to make a final decision on or before January 10,
> 2016.  Whatever I decide, I'll announce it here.
>
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Karl DeSaulniers]

+1

4th option

This list is invaluable. I have watched people grow in understanding and 
experience here. To go away now would be a real shame IMO. Not to burden you 
with any extra work, but you need to start a JavaScript list too. This type of 
interaction on things is what's invaluable. You don't get the same on Stack 
because everyone is worried about points. Here it's just real help. Please 
don't go. 

Best,
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Design Drumm
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[John D]

-Original Message- 
From: Greg Gamble

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:22 PM
To: CSS-D Discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

I've been hoping for a return of the list.  I've tried sending a few 
posts, but thought I was locked out for some reason ... glad to know it 
was only a software issue.



Maybe keep it going for a while, and see if it picks up??




Me too.  I thought I have been banned from the list through no fault of 
mine.


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[css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Eric A. Meyer]

Hi, everyone,

   So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of us 
really noticed until this month.  Or, if people noticed, nobody 
mentioned it until this month.  It took a while to get in touch with 
someone who could get the software restarted, but I'm told it's back up. 
 If you're reading this, then yes, it's back up.
   This hiatus and its lack of observance has led me to wonder about 
the utility of css-discuss, and whether it needs to continue.  There are 
a lot of other venues for discussing CSS these days, and most of the 
reason for this list existing-- to help people figure out how CSS 
worked, and fix problems-- is covered much more compellingly by sites 
like StackOverflow.  The resources that used to support css-d, like the 
public archive and the wiki, have fallen into disuse or disrepair over 
the years.  In general, there's a faded feeling here, at least for me.

   Thus, I'm now pondering three courses of action:

   1. Shut down the list.  To all good things, etc.  This obviously 
abandons those who still prize having a mailing list, but that number 
seems very small.  Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to 
the hiatus was conducted between a small number of subscribers.  Of 
course, a new list could be started by someone else.
   2. Hand the list off to someone else, to guide as they see fit.  
This involves the very difficult task of finding someone who's 
interested, and making a good choice.  This is the least appealing of 
the three, honestly, because of the possibility of getting things wrong.
   3. Convert the list from "Practical discussions of CSS and its use" 
to more general discussion about anything CSS-related.  That would 
include theoretical musings, discussion of what CSS should or shouldn't 
be, where it should go in the future, the general theory of CSS, and so 
on.  I'm less inclined to go this route, as there are other places to 
grapple with the deeper issues of CSS (like www-style, not to mention 
blogs and social media).


At this point, perhaps due to pride and ego but perhaps simply due to 
feeling that the time has come, I'm leaning toward option 1.  January 
24, 2016, will be the 14th anniversary of the list.  That leaves a month 
to either settle on a different course of action, or else to plan a 
shutdown.
   If anyone has strong feelings that it should be one of the other two 
options, or a fourth option I didn't list, feel free to let me know 
off-list.  I may not be able to respond to every message, but I will 
read them all.  I expect to make a final decision on or before January 
10, 2016.  Whatever I decide, I'll announce it here.


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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Greg Gamble]

I've been hoping for a return of the list.  I've tried sending a few posts, but 
thought I was locked out for some reason ... glad to know it was only a 
software issue.

Maybe keep it going for a while, and see if it picks up??


Greg 

-Original Message-
From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org 
[mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Eric A. Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:35 PM
To: CSS-D Discuss
Subject: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

Hi, everyone,

So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of us really 
noticed until this month.  Or, if people noticed, nobody mentioned it until 
this month.  It took a while to get in touch with someone who could get the 
software restarted, but I'm told it's back up. 
  If you're reading this, then yes, it's back up.
This hiatus and its lack of observance has led me to wonder about the 
utility of css-discuss, and whether it needs to continue.  There are a lot of 
other venues for discussing CSS these days, and most of the reason for this 
list existing-- to help people figure out how CSS worked, and fix problems-- is 
covered much more compellingly by sites like StackOverflow.  The resources that 
used to support css-d, like the public archive and the wiki, have fallen into 
disuse or disrepair over the years.  In general, there's a faded feeling here, 
at least for me.
Thus, I'm now pondering three courses of action:

1. Shut down the list.  To all good things, etc.  This obviously abandons 
those who still prize having a mailing list, but that number seems very small.  
Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to the hiatus was conducted 
between a small number of subscribers.  Of course, a new list could be started 
by someone else.
2. Hand the list off to someone else, to guide as they see fit.  
This involves the very difficult task of finding someone who's interested, and 
making a good choice.  This is the least appealing of the three, honestly, 
because of the possibility of getting things wrong.
3. Convert the list from "Practical discussions of CSS and its use" 
to more general discussion about anything CSS-related.  That would include 
theoretical musings, discussion of what CSS should or shouldn't be, where it 
should go in the future, the general theory of CSS, and so on.  I'm less 
inclined to go this route, as there are other places to grapple with the deeper 
issues of CSS (like www-style, not to mention blogs and social media).

At this point, perhaps due to pride and ego but perhaps simply due to feeling 
that the time has come, I'm leaning toward option 1.  January 24, 2016, will be 
the 14th anniversary of the list.  That leaves a month to either settle on a 
different course of action, or else to plan a shutdown.
If anyone has strong feelings that it should be one of the other two 
options, or a fourth option I didn't list, feel free to let me know off-list.  
I may not be able to respond to every message, but I will read them all.  I 
expect to make a final decision on or before January 10, 2016.  Whatever I 
decide, I'll announce it here.

--
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Angela French]

I missed it.  I posted a few times over the last few months but didn't know 
what the issue was.  I have always appreciated the vast experience of the 
people on this list.  More than once someone helped me out of a pickle.  In 
addition, I would often read threads that didn't necessarily have any 
connection to a current issue I was fretting over, but the subject line caught 
my attention as something worth reading.  This list has definitely contributed 
to my cSS knowledge over the years.  I hope it keeps going.

Angela French 
WA State Board for Community and Technical Colleges

-Original Message-
From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org 
[mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Eric A. Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:35 PM
To: CSS-D Discuss
Subject: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

Hi, everyone,

So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of us really 
noticed until this month.  Or, if people noticed, nobody mentioned it until 
this month.  It took a while to get in touch with someone who could get the 
software restarted, but I'm told it's back up. 
  If you're reading this, then yes, it's back up.
This hiatus and its lack of observance has led me to wonder about the 
utility of css-discuss, and whether it needs to continue.  There are a lot of 
other venues for discussing CSS these days, and most of the reason for this 
list existing-- to help people figure out how CSS worked, and fix problems-- is 
covered much more compellingly by sites like StackOverflow.  The resources that 
used to support css-d, like the public archive and the wiki, have fallen into 
disuse or disrepair over the years.  In general, there's a faded feeling here, 
at least for me.
Thus, I'm now pondering three courses of action:

1. Shut down the list.  To all good things, etc.  This obviously abandons 
those who still prize having a mailing list, but that number seems very small.  
Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to the hiatus was conducted 
between a small number of subscribers.  Of course, a new list could be started 
by someone else.
2. Hand the list off to someone else, to guide as they see fit.  
This involves the very difficult task of finding someone who's interested, and 
making a good choice.  This is the least appealing of the three, honestly, 
because of the possibility of getting things wrong.
3. Convert the list from "Practical discussions of CSS and its use" 
to more general discussion about anything CSS-related.  That would include 
theoretical musings, discussion of what CSS should or shouldn't be, where it 
should go in the future, the general theory of CSS, and so on.  I'm less 
inclined to go this route, as there are other places to grapple with the deeper 
issues of CSS (like www-style, not to mention blogs and social media).

At this point, perhaps due to pride and ego but perhaps simply due to feeling 
that the time has come, I'm leaning toward option 1.  January 24, 2016, will be 
the 14th anniversary of the list.  That leaves a month to either settle on a 
different course of action, or else to plan a shutdown.
If anyone has strong feelings that it should be one of the other two 
options, or a fourth option I didn't list, feel free to let me know off-list.  
I may not be able to respond to every message, but I will read them all.  I 
expect to make a final decision on or before January 10, 2016.  Whatever I 
decide, I'll announce it here.

--
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