[css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6
Hello there, if you open in IE 6, http://www.europeeurope.net/ you will see the top border of the left and right side bar are lower than that of maind content. But when i open in firefox, that is ok. why? And I see it in Dreamweaver design view normal. Thank you for any help, Paul __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6
Gunlaug, thank you, for answering, but I am still a beginner of css, I even have problem to underestand some of the basic terms. I tried firefox, i found one problem, that the navigation menu doesn't appear. Who know the reason? Paul - Original Message - From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Jung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6 > Paul Jung wrote: > >> if you open in IE 6, http://www.europeeurope.net/ you will see the >> top border of the left and right side bar are lower than that of >> maind content. >> >> But when i open in firefox, that is ok. >> >> why? > > 1: IE6 doesn't respect declared dimensions, while Firefox does. > > 2: You've fed IE styles it doesn't need and never should be given, while > trying to compensate for an imaginary bug. > > 3: Your page breaks in all browsers but IE6 upon font resizing, because > of all those declared 'height', since all browsers but IE6 and older > respect declared 'height'. > > > If you give all browsers the same styles, and the freedom to adjust > element 'height' as they see fit, they'll become "environmentally > friendly" and line up those columns the same way. > > Example: > <http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/pj/test_08_1122.html> > > (the devil is in the details - but so is the salvation ;-) ) > > regards > Georg > -- > http://www.gunlaug.no > __ > css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6
My goodness! 57 errors! It is really a shame of me. I have to find out where they are, and how did I make them. THANK YOU! Paul - Original Message - From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Jung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6 > Paul Jung wrote: >> Gunlaug, thank you, for answering, but I am still a beginner of css, >> I even have problem to underestand some of the basic terms. > > Fair enough. > As a beginner you'll have take the time to study every detail in > responses you receive. After all: it has taken those of us who know the > answers quite a long time to get to that point, and there are no working > shortcuts. Take your time and you'll get there. > > One thing that does make the rendering of your design pretty > unpredictable across browser-land, is the many errors in your markup. I > haven't corrected any of those because they don't bother me, but 57 > errors in one page is 57 too many - even if some of them are repeated > messages caused by the same errors. > >> I tried firefox, i found one problem, that the navigation menu >> doesn't appear. Who know the reason? > > Again: > > 1: IE6 doesn't respect declared dimensions, while Firefox does. > > You have declared dimensions that are too small for the content, so the > content disappears outside its intended container. > The reason for this is you're - knowingly or not - relying on > browser-defaults for lists and other elements, and they are not > identical across browser-land. > > > Now, carefully compare the CSS in yours... > >>>> <http://www.europeeurope.net/> > > ...element for element with that in mine... > >>> <http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/pj/test_08_1122.html> > > Everything shows up in mine - in all browsers, because I've leveled > rendering of lists and other elements by declaring my own values where > browser-defaults differ. > > In addition to that I'm letting containers expand freely in height - by > commenting out your 'height' declarations, and made sure containers > expand properly even when content consists of floats - I'm using floats > to contain floats in this case. > > regards > Georg > -- > http://www.gunlaug.no > __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6
Georg, I saw your version, it is amazing, how you managed it. I have a lot to learn. So far, thank you again, and have a nice weekend! Paul - Original Message - From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Jung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6 > Paul Jung wrote: >> Gunlaug, thank you, for answering, but I am still a beginner of css, >> I even have problem to underestand some of the basic terms. > > Fair enough. > As a beginner you'll have take the time to study every detail in > responses you receive. After all: it has taken those of us who know the > answers quite a long time to get to that point, and there are no working > shortcuts. Take your time and you'll get there. > > One thing that does make the rendering of your design pretty > unpredictable across browser-land, is the many errors in your markup. I > haven't corrected any of those because they don't bother me, but 57 > errors in one page is 57 too many - even if some of them are repeated > messages caused by the same errors. > >> I tried firefox, i found one problem, that the navigation menu >> doesn't appear. Who know the reason? > > Again: > > 1: IE6 doesn't respect declared dimensions, while Firefox does. > > You have declared dimensions that are too small for the content, so the > content disappears outside its intended container. > The reason for this is you're - knowingly or not - relying on > browser-defaults for lists and other elements, and they are not > identical across browser-land. > > > Now, carefully compare the CSS in yours... > >>>> <http://www.europeeurope.net/> > > ...element for element with that in mine... > >>> <http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/pj/test_08_1122.html> > > Everything shows up in mine - in all browsers, because I've leveled > rendering of lists and other elements by declaring my own values where > browser-defaults differ. > > In addition to that I'm letting containers expand freely in height - by > commenting out your 'height' declarations, and made sure containers > expand properly even when content consists of floats - I'm using floats > to contain floats in this case. > > regards > Georg > -- > http://www.gunlaug.no > __ > css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6
Georg I studied your version, and changed some of the css codes, but I still can not get where you are. In IE, the top of side bars are still lower than that of main content. It is so ugly. I don't know what's wrong. Could you please give me a hint? Paul - Original Message - From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Jung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6 > Paul Jung wrote: >> Gunlaug, thank you, for answering, but I am still a beginner of css, >> I even have problem to underestand some of the basic terms. > > Fair enough. > As a beginner you'll have take the time to study every detail in > responses you receive. After all: it has taken those of us who know the > answers quite a long time to get to that point, and there are no working > shortcuts. Take your time and you'll get there. > > One thing that does make the rendering of your design pretty > unpredictable across browser-land, is the many errors in your markup. I > haven't corrected any of those because they don't bother me, but 57 > errors in one page is 57 too many - even if some of them are repeated > messages caused by the same errors. > >> I tried firefox, i found one problem, that the navigation menu >> doesn't appear. Who know the reason? > > Again: > > 1: IE6 doesn't respect declared dimensions, while Firefox does. > > You have declared dimensions that are too small for the content, so the > content disappears outside its intended container. > The reason for this is you're - knowingly or not - relying on > browser-defaults for lists and other elements, and they are not > identical across browser-land. > > > Now, carefully compare the CSS in yours... > >>>> <http://www.europeeurope.net/> > > ...element for element with that in mine... > >>> <http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/pj/test_08_1122.html> > > Everything shows up in mine - in all browsers, because I've leveled > rendering of lists and other elements by declaring my own values where > browser-defaults differ. > > In addition to that I'm letting containers expand freely in height - by > commenting out your 'height' declarations, and made sure containers > expand properly even when content consists of floats - I'm using floats > to contain floats in this case. > > regards > Georg > -- > http://www.gunlaug.no > __ > css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] top border of side bars are lower than maind content in IE6
Georg,
WOW!!! You are a genius!!! Works!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Paul
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To: "Paul Jung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:44 PM
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IE6
> Paul Jung wrote:
>> Georg
>>
>> I studied your version, and changed some of the css codes, but I
>> still can not get where you are. In IE, the top of side bars are
>> still lower than that of main content. It is so ugly. I don't know
>> what's wrong. Could you please give me a hint?
>
> Comment out or delete this...
> .thrColFixHdr #sidebar2, .thrColFixHdr #sidebar1 { padding-top: 30px; }
> ...that you have in your !--[if IE]> styles.
>
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[css-d] Too much empty space in IE and one lost picture, please help
Hello there, Please look at http://www.poet.sk/hidveghyova/go.php/component/id/12/ Did anybody have some experience? I got to know only yesterday when a friend called me that he, with his IE browser, can not see this page. I opened it in IE, and found out that the main content is after some 1000 pixel empty spaces, and the second photo of a book can not be displayed. I appreciate any suggestion and help, thank you. Paul__ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] http://validator.w3.org can not validate a page
Hello there, I used http://validator.w3.org to check a page: http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php but it returned with such erroe: "Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 454 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. The error was: utf8 "\xE4" does not map to Unicode " Does anybody know anything about that? Thank you! Paul __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] How not to display the a dark color frame around a pic?
Dear All, I have this strange problem, have no idea how to solve it. http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php under the logo "let's talk europe" there is a green arrow, a .png file, since it is also a link, so it got the dark colored frame around it, and because of that the beautiful arrow lost its shape. Who can give me a hand? Many thanks! Paul from Slovakia Merry Christmas to every CSS fan! __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] How not to display the a dark color frame around a pic?
WOW! You are a magician! :)
THank you very much.
CSS is so powerful.
Paul
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From: JR Heard
To: Paul Jung
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] How not to display the a dark color frame around a pic?
.forumarrowicon {
border:none;
}
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Paul Jung wrote:
Dear All,
I have this strange problem, have no idea how to solve it.
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php
under the logo "let's talk europe" there is a green arrow, a .png file,
since it is also a link, so it got the dark colored frame around it, and
because of that the beautiful arrow lost its shape.
Who can give me a hand? Many thanks!
Paul from Slovakia
Merry Christmas to every CSS fan!
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[css-d] overflow problem in IE
Hello there,
I have a problem, it appears only in IE, here,
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=7&totalRows_Recordset2=4919
in this page, the layout just broken, the maincontent sank to the bottom.
The codes of the second div inside the right sidebar go:
newreply {
overflow: hidden;
margin-top: 10px;
margin-bottom: 10px;
background-color: #F1F1FC;
border: 1px solid #D2D2F7;
display: block;
}
where did I make mistakes? Thank you very much!
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Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE
Thank you very much, but it didn't solve the problem, please look
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=8&totalRows_Recordset2=4913
the same problem appears, is it a flowout problem? or text wrap problem? it
seems to me, that it can not deal with text wrap correctly, for example
there is a long url address
http://www.europeeurope.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=1... and it doesn't know
where to wrap the text
Thank you!
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From: "David Laakso"
To: "Paul Jung"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE
Paul Jung wrote:
I have a problem, it appears only in IE, here,
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=7&totalRows_Recordset2=4919
in this page, the layout just broken, the maincontent sank to the bottom.
Paul
It helps to state what browser version (there are a lot of them) of IE is
giving a problem. I guess you mean IE/5.01.
Try changing the CSS in the IE 5 conditional comment to read:
.thrColFixHdr #header {height: 1%;}
.thrColFixHdr #sidebar1 { width: 180px; }
.thrColFixHdr #sidebar2 { width: 190px; margin-left: 0; }
.thrColFixHdr #mainContent {width:520px; margin-left: 290px;margin-right:
20px;}
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Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE
Georg, Thank you very much in this Christmas season to help me! The codes you wrote really solve the problem, but "> ...and you will probably want to fix the width of the table in .newreply > to prevent it from overflowing its container and get "cut off", which > seems to be a problem in all browsers." THat is another problem. I really have no idea how to fix. Do you have any clue? As I observe it, it looks like that the long url address was regarded as one inseparable word and thus was not text wrapped according to the table width. Such a normal action as text wrapping become a drag in dreamweaver. Thank you! Merry Christmas! Paul - Original Message - From: "Gunlaug Sørtun" To: "Paul Jung" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE > Paul Jung wrote: >> Thank you very much, but it didn't solve the problem, please look >> http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=8&totalRows_Recordset2=4913 >> > Note that IE5.0 won't react on "zoom: 1;" as 'hasLayout' trigger - it > needs a dimensional trigger like "height: 1%;". > > IE5.0 needs the 'hasLayout' trigger to #header David gave you, as a > stabilizer to avoid the "dropped page" problem. > > You should also restrict the last conditional comment so it doesn't end > up styling all future IE/win versions. > > For IE7 down through to IE5.01, you need (only) these basic corrections... > > > > > ...and you will probably want to fix the width of the table in .newreply > to prevent it from overflowing its container and get "cut off", which > seems to be a problem in all browsers. > > regards > Georg > -- > http://www.gunlaug.no > __ > css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE
Georg,
Thank you very much. It is already good enough, i am satisfied with the
result. Thank you!
Paul
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From: "Gunlaug Sørtun"
To: "Paul Jung"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE
> Paul Jung wrote:
>> [...] As I observe it, it looks like that the long url address was
>> regarded as one inseparable word and thus was not text wrapped
>> according to the table width.
>
> Browsers ability to break long words on certain characters varies, but
> we can at least prevent the entire table from being expanded - in most
> browsers - by adding something like...
>
> .thrColFixHdr #sidebar2 .newreply table {
> table-layout: fixed;
> width: 100%;
> }
>
> Seems to have a reasonably good effect on your case in all browsers, so
> at least all breakable text stays visible and readable within the width
> of the column.
>
> God Jul.
> Georg
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[css-d] .content problem
Hello there, have been working very hard to find the problem why the map of http://www.chinafood.sk/ doesn't display correct in IE, it always sinks to the bottom, please help! Happy new year, css fans! Paul __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] .content problem
Georg:
Your answers is so good that I printed them great advises. I really
appreciated your help.
Thank you very much,
Paul
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From: "Gunlaug Sørtun"
To: "etsk jung"
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: .content problem
> etsk jung wrote:
>> Georg:
>>
>> Thank you very much! I read the DW manual and another book on CSS but in
>> vain, it is you solved the problem.
>> I am so frustrated why there are no good literature on CSS Thank you,
>> it is really nice of you to help.
>>
>> Paul
>
> Well, Paul,
>
> I have only read one book on CSS - mentioned here...
>
> <http://www.gunlaug.no/rips/rips_080903.html>
>
> ...as my good friend Ingo Chao sent me a free copy. Good book, but not
> really anything new to me in it - he borrowed and expanded on some of
> my ideas in addition to his own :-)
>
> There's a lot of literature on how to create both simple and a bit more
> advanced layouts with CSS, but no-one would dare try to write about how
> to handle all the various browser bugs and other peculiarities.
> There are millions of bugs and bug-combinations, and the "map" changes
> with each new browser release. Such a book would end up the size of a
> phone-book, which would have to be updated every few months.
>
>
> CSS is best learned directly from the source...
>
> <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/#specs>
>
> ...and tested for support across browser-land. One way to test is
> through minimal test pages, like the few I've listed here...
>
> <http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_02_03.html>
>
> That way you can get a real sense of what works and what doesn't, and
> can make choices for what to do with and include in real designs.
> The only way to become a good web designer/coder is through practicing,
> practicing and more practicing, and even that will only work well if you
> apply strict quality control at every step of the way and don't let
> anyone throw you off.
>
> regards
> Georg
>
>
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:02:18 +0100
>>> From: gunla...@c2i.net
>>> To: et...@hotmail.com
>>> CC: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
>>> Subject: Re: .content problem
>>>
>>> Paul Jung wrote:
>>>
>>>> have been working very hard to find the problem why the map of
>>>> http://www.chinafood.sk/ doesn't display correct in IE, it always sinks
>>>> to the bottom, please help!
>>> To use the correct terminology: it doesn't "sink" - it gets "pushed
>>> down" because there's not enough space for it where you want it to stay.
>>> All caused by bugs in IE6 (and older).
>>>
>>> 1: remove or zero out the backside margins on both side-columns - for
>>> _all_ browsers. Those margins do nothing but make the layout
>>> unnecessarily tight in good browsers, and too tight when IE6' bugs are
>>> added.
>>>
>>> What you need there is this...
>>>
>>> .thrColFixHdr #sidebar1 {margin-right: 0;}
>>> .thrColFixHdr #sidebar2 {margin-left: 0;}
>>>
>>>
>>> 2: the main-column is positioned by its own margins, and IE6 (and older)
>>> throws in its "3px-jog" bug as addition to the left margin, and its
>>> "auto-expansion" bug to the width affecting the right side margin.
>>>
>>> The right side margin isn't doing any good in any browser since the
>>> main-column has width and self-aligns left where it rides on its left
>>> margin, so unless you plan to reverse the document's direction you
>>> should serve the following to _all_ browsers...
>>>
>>> .thrColFixHdr #mainContent {margin-right:0;}
>>>
>>>
>>> 3: now there's only the "3px-jog" bug to take care of in IE6 (and
>>> older).
>>>
>>> Place this in your >> http://www.gunlaug.no
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[css-d] two navigation menu can't float to left?
Hello there,
I made 2 navigation menu, and wish them float to left. They do that
correctly in Firefox, but in IE, again, there is problem: the first nav menu
just doesn't floadt to left, instead, it goes to the RIGHT SIDE.
http://bratislava.chinafood.sk
thank you for your advice!
Paul Yung
- Original Message -
From: "Alan Gresley"
To: "Paul Jung"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] overflow problem in IE
Paul Jung wrote:
Thank you very much, but it didn't solve the problem, please look
http://www.europeeurope.net/index.php?pageNum_Recordset2=8&totalRows_Recordset2=4913
the same problem appears, is it a flowout problem? or text wrap problem?
it seems to me, that it can not deal with text wrap correctly, for
example there is a long url address
http://www.europeeurope.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=1... and it doesn't
know where to wrap the text
Thank you!
Hello Paul, as David has suggested, it helps to indicate which version
of IE you are seeing the bug in since all versions of IE have different
bugs.
In you case, the bug is the IE expanding box bug [1]. I would say that
feeding IE6 and earlier this fix should solve the problem.
.row2 {width:200px} /* adjust width to suit */
I have not tested the fix.
[1] <http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/expandingboxbug.html>
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