[css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Big Moxy 
The w3 validator clearly is not compatible with Microsoft ASP.NET code. 
Here is an example - http://www.cargovango.com/start.aspx. All of the 
code that it flags is generated at run time. It's nothing that a 
developer adds.

It's annoying because I can never say that the code is Valid XHTML 1.0 
Transitional.

Has anyone else encountered this or similar situations?

Regards,
Tim


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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Rob Emenecker 
Yes, I've encountered this before with PHP. You have to get into the source
code and fix it. It's not about what the developer adds. It's about
tweaking the ASP (or PHP or JSP or ColdFusion or PERL) code so that it spits
out valid XHTML.

 

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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Jon Hughes 
As the standardista/validatorian of the company I work for, I also have
this problem.  However, if you google for it, you will find that there
is a way to change the default output HTML from asp.net - it's pretty
technical, but it is possible.
 
 - Jon

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 The w3 validator clearly is not compatible with Microsoft ASP.NET
code.
 Here is an example - http://www.cargovango.com/start.aspx. All of the
 code that it flags is generated at run time. It's nothing that a
 developer adds.
 
 It's annoying because I can never say that the code is Valid XHTML 1.0
 Transitional.
 
 Has anyone else encountered this or similar situations?
 
 Regards,
 Tim
 
 
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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Big Moxy 
Actually, I stand corrected. The validator is flagging the link to a 
Spanish translator site:

a 
href=http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=enie=utf-8oe=utf-8langpair=en|esu=http://www.cargovango.com/prev=/language_tools;

The code generated by .NET is clean:

input type=hidden name=__VIEWSTATE id=__VIEWSTATE 
value=/wEPDwUKMTk1NTE2NDQ4MA9kFgQCAg88KwAJAQAPFgQeCERhdGFLZXlzFgAeC18hSXRlbUNvdW50AgFkFgJmD2QWAmYPFQcGQjU1MTc1BkI1NTE3NQQyMDAyBEZvcmQIRS0yNTAgSEQABiQ2LDUwMGQCAw88KwAJAQAPFgQfABYAHwECA2QWBmYPZBYCZg8VBwZCMDkwNDMGQjA5MDQzBkIwOTA0MwQyMDA2BUUtMTUwBzQuNiAgVjgHJDExLDkwMGQCAQ9kFgJmDxUHBjE5Mzk3MQYxOTM5NzEGMTkzOTcxBDIwMDUIRzI1MDAgSEQHNi4wICBWOAYkNSw5OTVkAgIPZBYCZg8VBwZDMDE5NTMGQzAxOTUzBkMwMTk1MwQyMDAzCEUtMjUwIEhEBzUuNCAgVjgGJDYsOTk1ZGR22EwtFd/kiyy9vVAJL0xv43czZQ==
 
/

input type=hidden name=__EVENTVALIDATION id=__EVENTVALIDATION 
value=/wEWEAKO/p/dAwKq3vLOBAKq3vLOBAL2xbW7DAKAiqHADgKK4PtQAuz/jNYFApfy9JYFAqj0rMEKAru0guIEAqXDn9gHAob7rXYC3KT34AsC6rHbuwQCztGz6wgChp+xBcqi3H1EuMYmueRpk+PhihUbpA7p
 
/



Rob Emenecker wrote:
 Yes, I've encountered this before with PHP. You have to get into the source
 code and fix it. It's not about what the developer adds. It's about
 tweaking the ASP (or PHP or JSP or ColdFusion or PERL) code so that it spits
 out valid XHTML.

  


   
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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Big Moxy 
Rob,

There are some elements of .NET output a developer has no control over. 
For example, this source code:

asp:DataList ID=featuredVehicleList2 RepeatColumns=3
RepeatDirection=Horizontal runat=server
ItemTemplate
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, 
Stock Number)%
img 
src=/images/vehicle_images/01_%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, 
Stock Number)%.jpg width=140 height=104 alt=vehicle photo 
//abr /
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, 
Stock Number)%
%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, 
Year)%nbsp;%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, Model)%br /
%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, 
Engine)%nbsp;%#DataBinder.Eval(Container.DataItem, fldWebPrice)%/a
/ItemTemplate
/asp:DataList

becomes this HTML:

table id=featuredVehicleList2 cellspacing=0 border=0 
style=border-collapse:collapse;
tr
td
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=B09043
img src=/images/vehicle_images/01_B09043.jpg width=140 height=104 
alt=vehicle photo //abr /
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=B09043
2006nbsp;E-150br /
4.6  V8nbsp;$11,900/a
/tdtd
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=193971
img src=/images/vehicle_images/01_193971.jpg width=140 height=104 
alt=vehicle photo //abr /
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=193971
2005nbsp;G2500 HDbr /
6.0  V8nbsp;$5,995/a
/tdtd
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=C01953
img src=/images/vehicle_images/01_C01953.jpg width=140 height=104 
alt=vehicle photo //abr /
a href=/VehicleDetails.aspx?id=C01953
2003nbsp;E-250 HDbr /
5.4  V8nbsp;$6,995/a
/td
/tr
/table


Rob Emenecker wrote:
 Yes, I've encountered this before with PHP. You have to get into the source
 code and fix it. It's not about what the developer adds. It's about
 tweaking the ASP (or PHP or JSP or ColdFusion or PERL) code so that it spits
 out valid XHTML.

  


   
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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Jon Hughes 
 The code generated by .NET is clean:



 input type=hidden name=__EVENTVALIDATION
 id=__EVENTVALIDATION

value=/wEWEAKO/p/dAwKq3vLOBAKq3vLOBAL2xbW7DAKAiqHADgKK4PtQAuz/jNYFApfy

9JYFAqj0rMEKAru0guIEAqXDn9gHAob7rXYC3KT34AsC6rHbuwQCztGz6wgChp+xBcqi3H1
 EuMYmueRpk+PhihUbpA7p
 /
 


Not sure what doctype you are using, but starting an 'id' attribute with
an underscore doesn't validate with xhtml transitional.
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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Austin, Darrel 
 The w3 validator clearly is not compatible with Microsoft ASP.NET
code.
 Here is an example - http://www.cargovango.com/start.aspx. All of the
 code that it flags is generated at run time. It's nothing that a
 developer adds.

That's one way to spin it!

It's probably more accurate to say 'Microsoft, the owner of ASP.net, has
never really made valid XHTML a priority in any of its products'

To be fair, ASP.net 2.0 is eons ahead of 1.1 in that area.

But, then there's SharePoint...eww...

This is a decent ASP.net site that's focuses on web standards:

http://aspnetresources.com/

_Darrel
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Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

2008-02-06 Thread Austin, Darrel 
 There are some elements of .NET output a developer has no control
over.
 For example, this source code:
 
 asp:DataList 

Well, a developer can choose NOT to use a DataList. That said, that
somewhat defeats the RAD concepts of using ASP.net + VS.net to whip out
code.

In ASP.net 1.1 I ended up using a lot of string writers to have full
control over my HTML. Tedious and likely overly anal in hindsight.

With ASP.net 2.0, there are some more options. Control Adapters are one:

http://www.asp.net/cssadapters/

This article might help, too:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479043.aspx

-Darrel
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