Re: [css-d] Beyond CC's, targeting Mozilla, Safari and Opera
Hi all, I suppose my question was too general to get useful answers. This time its more concrete, you can try it: http://documenta.rudolphina.org/cond-css-demo.xml Any questions? Manfred __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Beyond CC's, targeting Mozilla, Safari and Opera
On 19/04/2008, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Manfred Staudinger wrote: ***off-list*** You got a uri? Or just a mouth? David, You got a uri? I have not yet decided to publish it. To clarify the pros and cons I started this thread. Or just a mouth? I don't understand what you mean, please clarify. Manfred Manfred __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Beyond CC's, targeting Mozilla, Safari and Opera
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:32:25 +0200, Manfred Staudinger wrote: [...] ...if we had a method to target the most advanced browsers, we would be able to _add_ something new to the (technically) minimalistic approach dictated by MS. Web sites would then look differently in different browsers while functionally still equivalent (a must, I suppose). Great idea. We do too have a method. To add to the wise words already offered, I suggest using attribute selectors to give 'advanced' styling to modern browsers. It has been done, of course: http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/css_a_tribute_to_selectors.html Cordially, David -- __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Beyond CC's, targeting Mozilla, Safari and Opera
Hi list, Currently I'm thinking about a consistent and simple method for CSS to target not only IE's but also Mozilla, Safari and Opera, each of them separately and standards compliant. Up to now the CSS language actually available for developing web sites is limited by the weakest browser to be supported (IE 6, IE 7). Many great techniques have been generated and documented by web developers to overcome bugs and shortcomings. These constrains will not go away for years to come. But if we had a method to target the most advanced browsers, we would be able to _add_ something new to the (technically) minimalistic approach dictated by MS. Web sites would then look differently in different browsers while functionally still equivalent (a must, I suppose). What are your pros and cons? Regards, Manfred __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Beyond CC's, targeting Mozilla, Safari and Opera
Manfred Staudinger wrote: What are your pros and cons? pros: none, or some very limited and short-sighted ones. con: anyone can disregard any browser - by choice or by lack of knowledge or interest. result: total anarchy - as if it wasn't bad enough out here already. Browsers should only be separated by their qualities and capacities, not by name or version. We already do that - it's known as progressive enhancement and drives browser-developers to constantly improve their products. That's what we want. All other attempts on separating browsers will be and/or already are counteracted by browser-vendors, as separation/targeting/versioning tend to break browsers instead of letting them do their job in an optimal way and keep on improving and competing on the (somewhat) leveled playing-field of standard compliance. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Beyond CC's, targeting Mozilla, Safari and Opera
Manfred Staudinger wrote: Hi list, Currently I'm thinking about a consistent and simple method for CSS to target not only IE's but also Mozilla, Safari and Opera, each of them separately and standards compliant. Up to now the CSS language actually available for developing web sites is limited by the weakest browser to be supported (IE 6, IE 7). Many great techniques have been generated and documented by web developers to overcome bugs and shortcomings. These constrains will not go away for years to come. But if we had a method to target the most advanced browsers, we would be able to _add_ something new to the (technically) minimalistic approach dictated by MS. Web sites would then look differently in different browsers while functionally still equivalent (a must, I suppose). What are your pros and cons? Hi Manfred, As others have already said, there are no real advantages to browser detection and targeting. However, your idea of giving more advanced browsers more advanced CSS does have advantages. It's called progressive enhancement, and it's quite possible without browser detection. I suggest Googling progressive enhancement for more on the general idea, and reading the book Transcending CSS for in-depth teaching of how to design and develop web sites with a progressive enhancement mindset. (The author states the transcending way of designing goes beyond progressive enhancement, but I think it's just mincing words -- same basic concept and techniques.) Best, Zoe -- Zoe M. Gillenwater Design Services Manager UNC Highway Safety Research Center http://www.hsrc.unc.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
