OK I'll offer my $0.02 I stopped following the site because CSS in a vacuum is not interesting, to me.
Real world work involves a three part combination of HTML CSS and Javascript. Discussing one without the others is like trying to get healthy by exercise alone, without paying attention to diet and the sleep cycle. We live in a world of systems. That's what I'm interested in. Whole systems. On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM, <css-d-requ...@lists.css-discuss.org> wrote: > Send css-d mailing list submissions to > css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > css-d-requ...@lists.css-discuss.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > css-d-ow...@lists.css-discuss.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of css-d digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (John D) > 2. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Micky Hulse) > 3. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Tom Livingston) > 4. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Micky Hulse) > 5. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Felix Miata) > 6. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Micky Hulse) > 7. Re: Flexbox Fallback to Justify Nav Items with Equal Spacing > (Eric A. Meyer) > 8. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Erik Visser) > 9. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (MiB) > 10. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (John Griessen) > 11. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (John Griessen) > 12. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) > 13. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Davies, Elizabeth) > 14. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Cheryl D Wise) > 15. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Theophan Dort) > 16. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (John D) > 17. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (John Griessen) > 18. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (GJim) > 19. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Kathy Wheeler) > 20. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (MiB) > 21. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (Del Wegener) > 22. Re: [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 17:37:23 +0000 > From: John D <xfs...@hotmail.com> > To: COM <j...@coffeeonmars.com>, "Eric A. Meyer" <e...@meyerweb.com>, > CSS-Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <dub110-w105f791b3a6543ec38e8913c7...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > > > > On the other hand, CSS and HTML are like salt and pepper, bert and > ernie, bread and butter. They seem to be the keys to each other?s locks, or > perhaps together they form a whole technology, and within that perspective, > I can see a list embracing both technologies as a focus. > > > > Despite what people might think, Bootstrap is pure CSS and the code works > out of the box for today's hunger for responsive websites. > > JS is optional extra as is glyphicons fonts and we don't need to discuss > here if it is considered outside the scope of this forum. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:21:45 -0800 > From: Micky Hulse <mickyhu...@gmail.com> > To: CSS-D Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: > <CAKzdcN= > w2df-mky-fe1jmr_cbqbkouh1g+jaqfmcuf4phai...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I wonder if the list has quieted down due to the fact that CSS has > gotten easier to use over the years? > > It would be interesting to compare the list participation to the > deaths of older Internet Explorers. :) > > On top of older IEs becoming a thing of the past, and browsers > supporting cutting edge techniques, there's tons of frameworks and > other resources that help to take the guesswork out of CSS > development. > > Some resources I use these days: > > * GitHub > * Stack Overflow > > Stack isn't really a place for one to 'converse' about a topic. It's a > reputation-powered Q/A site, not a forum or a discussion list. Apples > and oranges. > > With that said, I propose that we all move over to the Web Design list: > > <http://webdesign-l.com/> > > >From the WebDesign-L policy page: > > > The topic of the list is the technical, cultural, political, economic > and artistic aspects of web [design and] development and design as a > profession or hobby. > > I'm pretty sure the list mom is a member of css-discuss. I'm also > pretty sure Eric is a member of wd-l. > > Seeing that wd-l already exists, and it covers CSS plus everything > else, why not have the owners join forces and consolidate? > > Side note: The WebDesign-L list has also seen a drop in usage over the > last few years. Just another reason to combine the two lists from my > point of view. > > Who's with me?!?! :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 13:30:27 -0500 > From: Tom Livingston <tom...@gmail.com> > To: Micky Hulse <mickyhu...@gmail.com> > Cc: CSS-D Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: > <CALxy60YOFddar20Ob1J8w0pD29HyNFBX0OM_hg= > sb6hcko0...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > With that said, I propose that we all move over to the Web Design list: > > > > <http://webdesign-l.com/> > > > > >From the WebDesign-L policy page: > > > >> The topic of the list is the technical, cultural, political, economic > and artistic aspects of web [design and] development and design as a > profession or hobby. > > > > I'm pretty sure the list mom is a member of css-discuss. I'm also > > pretty sure Eric is a member of wd-l. > > > > Seeing that wd-l already exists, and it covers CSS plus everything > > else, why not have the owners join forces and consolidate? > > > > Side note: The WebDesign-L list has also seen a drop in usage over the > > last few years. Just another reason to combine the two lists from my > > point of view. > > > > Who's with me?!?! :) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > I've used WD-L only a few times (not counting while css-d was down). I > don't think the responses are on par with css-d. I *get* answers, but, > like stackoverflow, "just use Bootstrap" isn't a good answer to me. > > > -- > > Tom Livingston | Senior Front End Developer | Media Logic | > ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | medialogic.com > > > #663399 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 10:38:20 -0800 > From: Micky Hulse <mickyhu...@gmail.com> > To: CSS-D Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: > <CAKzdcNmU-obzB=TcJXuyT13j8= > idwvv8b2xd8yk50vdj1x7...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Tom Livingston <tom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've used WD-L only a few times (not counting while css-d was down). I > > don't think the responses are on par with css-d. I *get* answers, but, > > like stackoverflow, "just use Bootstrap" isn't a good answer to me. > > I've been a member of both lists for a long time. When the wd-l list > was active, I don't remember seeing "just use bootstrap" as a reply. > While the participation has been down for the last couple of years > (just like CSS-d), the wd-l list has been a pretty awesome place to > discuss things (in past years that is). I think there's a lot of > people on css-d that are also members of wd-l. > > Also, if we consolidated (not sure of logistics involved) then all the > people here would be there (or, a hybrid list in-between), and you > would get the best of both worlds. > :) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:39:08 -0500 > From: Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <568432dc.6010...@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Micky Hulse composed on 2015-12-30 10:38 (UTC-0800): > > > I've been a member of both lists for a long time. When the wd-l list > > was active, I don't remember seeing "just use bootstrap" as a reply. > > While the participation has been down for the last couple of years > > (just like CSS-d), the wd-l list has been a pretty awesome place to > > discuss things (in past years that is). I think there's a lot of > > people on css-d that are also members of wd-l. > > +1 > > > Also, if we consolidated (not sure of logistics involved) then all the > > people here would be there (or, a hybrid list in-between), and you > > would get the best of both worlds. > > :) > > I don't share your best of both opinion. I like the tight focus here. > There's > good when a hybrid solution is OK. Here's better when interested in a > purely > CSS approach. > -- > "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant > words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 12:10:32 -0800 > From: Micky Hulse <mickyhu...@gmail.com> > To: CSS-Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: > < > cakzdcnkwy1hqmynq86fd920o2n22eafb81at0xssqamtbft...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Felix Miata <mrma...@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > I don't share your best of both opinion. I like the tight focus here. > There's > > good when a hybrid solution is OK. Here's better when interested in a > purely > > CSS approach. > > I can't argue with that. :) > > I suppose I'm just trying to think of a way to revitalize the listserv > community for both CSS-d and wd-l, as they are both in same boat in > terms of activity. > > I agree about this list having a tight focus, but that does not do > much good when no one is really using it. > > Then again, to play devil's advocate to my own proposal, combining two > inactive lists would probably just lead to more inactivity? > > Now my mind goes back to why. Why is there a lack of activity? This > thought brings me back to the death of older browsers and the advent > of browser support for new/easier ways of doing things related to CSS > and HTML. > > To bring us back to the original question, has the community outgrown > the need for this, and the WebDesign, lists? > > To quote Eric: > > > Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to the hiatus was > conducted between a small number of subscribers. > > On the other hand, to quote Kathy: > > > LOl yes, 4. Do nothing ... > > Problem solved? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:17:11 -0500 > From: "Eric A. Meyer" <e...@meyerweb.com> > To: "Rick Gordon" <li...@rickgordon.com> > Cc: css-d-ow...@lists.css-discuss.org, CSS List > <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] Flexbox Fallback to Justify Nav Items with Equal > Spacing > Message-ID: <89e252ad-6abd-4779-b5f7-810cad0e8...@meyerweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > The evolt admins said the message came in, but was auto-discarded. > Please try again, but this time don't cc: the list admin address. I > think Mailman assumes that sort of thing to be spam (or maybe I set up a > spam filter along those lines). Hopefully it'll work this time! > > > On 30 Dec 2015, at 21:20, Rick Gordon wrote: > > > [I sent this yesterday, but it hasn't gotten posted. Trying again, > > along with a cc to the list-admin. I still don't see any of the > > December posts in the public list archives, so I'm wondering if things > > are still acting screwy.] > > > > --- > > > > On [http://www.theshelterblog.com](http://www.theshelterblog.com), (a > > WordPress site) I've set up the top navigation with flexbox CSS, so > > that it justifies to the content width, with equal spacing between > > menu <li> elements. The navigation changes from relative to a fixed > > stickyNav, when the menu would move out of view (on home, archive, and > > search pages). > > > > Before I updated WordPress to 4.4, I had it all working without > > flexbox, where the <ul> was set to text-align:justify; and I had a > > dummy last menu item that was classed to have 100% width and no > > height. For reasons I'm not sure about, the update from 4.3 to 4.4 > > broke it, and all the menu items were butted up against one another to > > the left. > > > > So then, after banging my head against a wall for a while with no > > working solution, I revamped it with flex code, as such: > >> #menu-header-navigation { /* <ul> */ > >> ??? width:100%; > >> ??? position:relative; > >> ??? list-style:none; > >> ??? padding:4px 0 5px 3px; > >> ??? text-align:center; /* So now fallback centers, with separation > >> effected by transparent borders? */ > >> ??? display:inline-block; /* final fallback */ > >> ??? display:-moz-box; > >> ??? display:-ms-flexbox; > >> ??? display:-webkit-flex; > >> ??? display:flex; > >> ??? -webkit-box-pack:space-between; > >> ??? -moz-box-pack:space-between; > >> ??? -ms-flex-pack:space-between; > >> ??? -webkit-justify-content:space-between; > >> ??? justify-content:space-between; > >> ??? -webkit-box-align:stretch; > >> ??? -moz-box-align:stretch; > >> ??? -ms-flex-align:stretch; > >> ??? -webkit-align-items:stretch; > >> ??? align-items:stretch; > >> ??? flex-wrap:nowrap; > >> ??? align-items:stretch; > >> ??? flex-grow:1; > >> ??? } > >> > >> .sf-menu li { > >> ??? display:inline-block; > >> ??? position:relative; > >> ??? padding:2px 0; > >> ??? } > >> ??? .no-flexbox .sf-menu li { /* .no-flexbox being assigned to > >> html by Modernizr */ > >> ??? ??? border-left:.5em solid transparent; /* Could probably > >> be margin at this point, having removed other margin assignments */ > >> ??? ??? border-right:.5em solid transparent; > >> ??? ??? } > > > > I had tried suggestions (such as at > > [ > http://jsfiddle.net/csswizardry/zfSt4/](http://jsfiddle.net/csswizardry/zfSt4/) > ) > > of setting display:table; table-layout:fixed for? <ul>, and > > display:table-cell for the <li>s, but it created unequal spaces > > between the <li>s and caused overlaps when reducing the window width. > > > > I no longer have the working 4.3 installation available, though I > > could restore it to a staging site if needed. > > > > I'd appreciate any guidance. The centered fallback is OK, but I'd > > really prefer an equally spaced, fully justified look. > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > RICK GORDON > > [http://www.theshelterblog.com](http://www.theshelterblog.com) > > > > -- > Eric A. Meyer - http://meyerweb.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:30:31 +0100 > From: Erik Visser <e...@erikvisser.net> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <568a73f7.7010...@erikvisser.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi Eric, > > I'am a member of the list for already quite some years. And i hope the > list will continue as is. I always got great help from the other > subscribers. As others also have written, the list is a great place to > turn to if you have a problem you can't figure out yourself. And indeed > in other places it is often hard to get real help. > > On css-d i always get help/guidance to come to a solution, and also > explanation to the matter. So the list is very much appreciated by me. > And even if there are not a lot of subscribers, the list is still very > valuable by the people who get help here. > > Thank you, Erik Visser > > > > Op 23-12-15 om 21:35 schreef Eric A. Meyer: > > Hi, everyone, > > > > So apparently the list software died back in October, and none of > > us really noticed until this month. Or, if people noticed, nobody > > mentioned it until this month. It took a while to get in touch with > > someone who could get the software restarted, but I'm told it's back > > up. If you're reading this, then yes, it's back up. > > This hiatus and its lack of observance has led me to wonder about > > the utility of css-discuss, and whether it needs to continue. There > > are a lot of other venues for discussing CSS these days, and most of > > the reason for this list existing-- to help people figure out how CSS > > worked, and fix problems-- is covered much more compellingly by sites > > like StackOverflow. The resources that used to support css-d, like > > the public archive and the wiki, have fallen into disuse or disrepair > > over the years. In general, there's a faded feeling here, at least > > for me. > > Thus, I'm now pondering three courses of action: > > > > 1. Shut down the list. To all good things, etc. This obviously > > abandons those who still prize having a mailing list, but that number > > seems very small. Almost all the discussion in the months leading up > > to the hiatus was conducted between a small number of subscribers. Of > > course, a new list could be started by someone else. > > 2. Hand the list off to someone else, to guide as they see fit. > > This involves the very difficult task of finding someone who's > > interested, and making a good choice. This is the least appealing of > > the three, honestly, because of the possibility of getting things wrong. > > 3. Convert the list from "Practical discussions of CSS and its use" > > to more general discussion about anything CSS-related. That would > > include theoretical musings, discussion of what CSS should or > > shouldn't be, where it should go in the future, the general theory of > > CSS, and so on. I'm less inclined to go this route, as there are > > other places to grapple with the deeper issues of CSS (like www-style, > > not to mention blogs and social media). > > > > At this point, perhaps due to pride and ego but perhaps simply due to > > feeling that the time has come, I'm leaning toward option 1. January > > 24, 2016, will be the 14th anniversary of the list. That leaves a > > month to either settle on a different course of action, or else to > > plan a shutdown. > > If anyone has strong feelings that it should be one of the other > > two options, or a fourth option I didn't list, feel free to let me > > know off-list. I may not be able to respond to every message, but I > > will read them all. I expect to make a final decision on or before > > January 10, 2016. Whatever I decide, I'll announce it here. > > > > -- > > Eric A. Meyer - http://meyerweb.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:27:31 +0100 > From: MiB <digital.disc...@gmail.com> > To: Micky Hulse <mickyhu...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <0ca35df5-25ac-411b-8660-90f893062...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > dec 30 2015 Micky Hulse <mickyhu...@gmail.com>: > > > Now my mind goes back to why. Why is there a lack of activity? This > > thought brings me back to the death of older browsers and the advent > > of browser support for new/easier ways of doing things related to CSS > > and HTML. > > Nah, it?s stackoverflow. Only answers, little fluff. Web Development is > just different, not easier. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:56:37 -0600 > From: John Griessen <j...@ecosensory.com> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <568a9635.1070...@ecosensory.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 01/04/2016 07:30 AM, Erik Visser wrote: > > none of us really noticed until this month. > > I noticed. I was busy with other things. I'm going to have questions for > the list members soon. Please keep it on. > > If you still think it is time to pull the plug, I'll serve up the list on > my mailman server. > I might not do all the setup necessary to use lists.css-discuss.org as > the domain. It would be super easy to > restart the list as: cs...@lists.cibolo.us though... > > John Griessen > -- > Ecosensory 1218 W 39th St. Austin TX 78756 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:16:39 -0600 > From: John Griessen <j...@ecosensory.com> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <568a9ae7.9080...@ecosensory.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > Op 23-12-15 om 21:35 schreef Eric A. Meyer: > > I'm leaning toward option 1. January 24, 2016, will be the 14th > anniversary of the list. That leaves a month to either settle on > > a different course of action, or else to plan a shutdown. > > Do you think it is best that list members switch to forums like this one? > https://csscreator.com/forums/start-here/how with ads for mail order > brides in the margins? > > What others are there that are good? > > John Griessen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:30:10 -0500 > From: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <da...@vybenetworks.com> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <20160104113010.00e4249d@imp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 23-12-15 om 21:35 from Eric A. Meyer: > > I'm leaning toward option 1. January 24, 2016, will be the 14th > > anniversary of the list. That leaves a month to either settle on a > > different course of action, or else to plan a shutdown. > > I might be willing to host the mailing list on my ISP. If you are > going to shut down perhaps I can invite everyone on this list to join > mine. I like the mailing list format rather than forums so I hope that > we can make something work. Can you tell me what the size of the > subscriber base is? > > I have no problem limiting the discussion to HTML and CSS. If that > makes it a low volume list then that's fine. > > How does everyone like that option? > > -- > D'Arcy J.M. Cain > Vybe Networks Inc. > http://www.VybeNetworks.com/ > IM:da...@vex.net VoIP: sip:da...@vybenetworks.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:47:07 +0000 > From: "Davies, Elizabeth" <elizabeth_dav...@gallup.com> > To: "css-d@lists.css-discuss.org" <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: > <edb8d11b535e4db996288f4fa4532...@exchoma1.noam.gallup.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm good with any option/solution that gives us the discussion and > insights. I'll stay (or move) with the community. Thank you to those > stepping forward with ideas. > > Elizabeth Davies > > All information in this message is confidential and may be legally > privileged. Only intended recipients are authorized to use it. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:12:00 -0700 > From: "Cheryl D Wise" <cdw...@wiserways.com> > To: "'John Griessen'" <j...@ecosensory.com>, > <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <051001d1471b$698ecb70$3cac6250$@wiserways.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > FWIW, I rarely post since I'm mostly retired now but I do read what's > posted. I wouldn't do so with a forum. > > Cheryl D Wise > http://wiserways.com > http://by-expression.com > http://cheryldwise.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of John Griessen > > Do you think it is best that list members switch to forums like this one? > https://csscreator.com/forums/start-here/how with ads for mail order > brides > in the margins? > > What others are there that are good? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:45:01 -0500 > From: Theophan Dort <theop...@theophan.net> > To: CSS-Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <84ca66b3-579e-4d9d-ba25-4eb74e76e...@theophan.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I haven?t posted on this because I?m not a ?real? web developer, just a > volunteer webmaster for my church, and wasn?t sure whether my 2? would be > of any interest or relevance, but for what it?s worth, this list has been a > really wonderfully helpful resource for me several times, over the years. > I?ve asked questions, and knowledgeable people swiftly and helpfully > answered them. My experience with online forums has been less helpful. > > Whatever happens to this list, I?d like to say that I am very grateful to > its founder/admin (I bought your book on CSS many years ago, I think I > actually bought both the first and second editions), and to those on this > list who have been generous with their knowledge and expertise, and have > helped this interested amateur several times, over the years. I hope it > keeps going, but all things eventually come to an end, and I retired from > my former profession a number of years ago, and will surely understand if > this list?s Admin is ready to let his participation in this go. I?m > delighted to see some other people offering to take it on, and I hope one > way or another that it continues. > > Thanks again to everyone. > > Theophan > > > > On Jan 4, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Cheryl D Wise <cdw...@wiserways.com> wrote: > > > > FWIW, I rarely post since I'm mostly retired now but I do read what's > > posted. I wouldn't do so with a forum. > > > > Cheryl D Wise > > http://wiserways.com > > http://by-expression.com > > http://cheryldwise.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: On Behalf Of John Griessen > > > > Do you think it is best that list members switch to forums like this one? > > https://csscreator.com/forums/start-here/how with ads for mail order > brides > > in the margins? > > > > What others are there that are good? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:46:22 -0000 > From: "John D" <xfs...@hotmail.com> > To: "Cheryl D Wise" <cdw...@wiserways.com>, "'John Griessen'" > <j...@ecosensory.com>, <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <dub110-ds3095658213dcd22656815ac7...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > If the forum is nicely laid out with good readable fonts then I don't mind > but the link posted is not my cup of tea. Fonts are too small and very > difficult to read. > > Microsoft Forums or Adobe Forums are fine because the display is clean and > readable. i like to skim through the text and only read carefully if the > topic is interesting. At present I am spending a lot of time reading and > researching into Bootstrap, its CSS and classes and how best to utilise > them. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheryl D Wise > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 6:12 PM > To: 'John Griessen' ; css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > > FWIW, I rarely post since I'm mostly retired now but I do read what's > posted. I wouldn't do so with a forum. > > Cheryl D Wise > http://wiserways.com > http://by-expression.com > http://cheryldwise.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of John Griessen > > Do you think it is best that list members switch to forums like this one? > https://csscreator.com/forums/start-here/how with ads for mail order > brides > in the margins? > > What others are there that are good? > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:30:18 -0600 > From: John Griessen <j...@ecosensory.com> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <568ac84a.8020...@ecosensory.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 01/04/2016 10:30 AM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > > How does everyone like that option? > > OK if no ads inserted, no selling of my email address. > That's how I will handle it if hosted as cs...@lists.cibolo.us > > John Griessen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:38:04 -0600 > From: GJim <jarne...@wyomerc.com> > To: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <da...@vybenetworks.com>, > css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <796018014.20160104133...@wyomerc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > ~~~ > Monday, January 4, 2016, 10:30:10 AM (USA 'Somewhere on-the-road > time-zone'), > you wrote the message that appears below. > > My reply appears here and/or interspersed within your message. > ~~~ > > > I like the mailing list format rather than forums > > I much prefer the mailing list rather than forums. With a mailing list, I > can > keep an archive on my own system. > > I do hope the CSS list is kept. I don't post often, but I do read every > post > and respond if I have pertinent information. > > G'Jim c):{- > -- > Custom book-boxes: http://www.wyomerc.com/bookboxes/bookboxes.html > Book repairs: http://www.wyomerc.com/bookrepair/bookrepairs.html > My photography: http://www.gjim.com > > Savvy ponderable: > Most folks are just about as happy as they've made up their mind to be. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 06:55:02 +1100 > From: Kathy Wheeler <kat...@home.albury.net.au> > To: CSS-D Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <e8d29f02-74dd-4269-b188-793d87b6c...@home.albury.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'd have to put my vote with the mailing list not a forum. > > Every group I've been with that has moved to forums or FaceBook I've just > lost interest in. There are very few forums I even bother to go to for > help. Forums can be awkward to search and FaceBook is almost impossible. > With mailing lists I can keep messages that interest me and easily search > my email archive. With forums and FB I have to make a conscious effort to > go there ... my mailing lists come to me. > > KathyW. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:14:04 +0100 > From: MiB <digital.disc...@gmail.com> > To: CSS-D Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <5d53c7c4-8197-488e-b1d8-149cea898...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > jan 4 2016 20:38 GJim <jarne...@wyomerc.com>: > > > I much prefer the mailing list rather than forums. > > I?d like to point out that you can have a mailing list, a news group and a > web site all mirroring each other. If that is practical from an > installation, resource and maintenance viewpoint is a different question. > > >From a personal resource and knowledge view point I think it might be > better to co-operate with larger groups and pool knowledge in other > contexts instead of being an island. The world and reality of web design > has moved on very quickly and new tools may be very relevant for new users. > > I know that small less frequented corners of the net can give a feeling > and possiblity of more personal conversations, so there is a value of this > of course. But there?s also a balance that needs to be found. > > In the end it?s people that counts. > > Personally I have no specific opinion on if the list should stay or not. I > think fewer and fewer people prefer mailing lists, but this is quite > uncertain and just an assumption. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 15:24:04 -0600 > From: Del Wegener <d...@delweg.com> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <568ae2f4.4090...@delweg.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Right on the money Kathy. A very important point. > del > > On 1/4/2016 1:55 PM, Kathy Wheeler wrote: > > I have to make a conscious effort to go there ... my mailing lists come > to me. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:26:43 -0500 > From: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <da...@vybenetworks.com> > To: MiB <digital.disc...@gmail.com> > Cc: CSS-D Discuss <css-d@lists.css-discuss.org> > Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello > Message-ID: <20160104162643.4cc08b95@imp> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:14:04 +0100 > MiB <digital.disc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I?d like to point out that you can have a mailing list, a news group > > and a web site all mirroring each other. If that is practical from an > > installation, resource and maintenance viewpoint is a different > > question. > > I am on a list that mirrors to a news group. I finally had to add an > email filter to drop anything that came through the gateway. It was > the only way yo make the list usable. Adding isn't always better. > > -- > D'Arcy J.M. Cain > Vybe Networks Inc. > http://www.VybeNetworks.com/ > IM:da...@vex.net VoIP: sip:da...@vybenetworks.com > > > ------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] > http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d > List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html > Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ > > End of css-d Digest, Vol 157, Issue 1 > ************************************* > -- /* Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh >--oO0> */ ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
