Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread Alan Gresley 

On 30/06/2011 6:31 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:

List,

I have a working example of what I am after:

http://www.mlinc.com/tl-test/

In a capable browser, you can see how the large bg image is behaving.
This is what I am after and I'm using a media query to achieve this.
But I have a couple questions for you concerning the background
image

1) Is the way I am achieving the effect completely bonkers? Am I
overlooking a much simpler way?



Possibly yes and possibly no to the former and later. There is an issue 
with accessibly where someone who can only use a keyboard. First they 
must tab to the inner overflow section, scroll down with the arrows and 
once they reach the bottom of what is hidden in the outer overflow (the 
viewport), they must tab to get this into focus, use the arrows keys to 
scroll to the overflowing portion in the viewport, then press tab again 
to return to the inner overflow so again they can use the arrow key to 
scroll the inner overflow. Now if the content of the inner overflow is 
very long, this procedure has to be done over and over. They may even 
decide to return to the top of the content and in which case they have 
to do the reverse. It your choice if you think this is wise.


Also, do you want this to happen?

http://css-class.com/x/tom.png



2) Is there a better way to achieve what is happening?



Depends on what you want to happen in respect to the above two issues. 
The later is solved my using min-width on a container  that contain 
the  'div#outer-wrap' and the .




3) Providing i'm not doing something completely insane, is it possible
to get IE7 and 8 to play nicer (have the bg image not continue behind
the content as the viewport decreases below 900px wide)? With a
different method?

Thanks a lot for your time.



You need to Google this string 'html5 elements ie8 ie7' (not quoted) or 
wait for someone to give the solution offlist since it involves JS.




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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread John D 




> While I appreciate your time, I was not looking to change the way the
> page reacts to the viewport, just whether or not there is a better way
> to do what I was already doing and if it is possible to have IE7 and 8
> react the same way as capable browsers.
> 

I think Lasko got it dead right.  You can also try to investigate the 
possibility of creating two divs of 50% each like this:

header

Left
Right

footer

The DIVS left and Right would be left floated to make them display side by side 
and the width of each is 50%.  The rough and dirty CSS looks like this:

#wrapper {
width: 900px;
height: 90%;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
height: 100%;
}
#left {
width: 46%;
margin: 2%;
float: left;
}
#right {
width: 50%;
float: left;
margin: 2% 0;
background-image: url('http://www.mlinc.com/tl-test/Bokeh.jpg');
}
#footer {
clear: left;
width: 900px;
height: 5%;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: center;
}

The CSS and layout can be improved dramatically but I leave it to you to think 
about this.  Lasko's method is pretty neat.

  
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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread Tom Livingston 
> Keep it simple. And readable on landing.
>
> markup
> 
> css
> 
>
>
> Folds to 400 in FF, Safari, Opera, and Chrome.
> Folds to 600 in IE 7/8.
> IE 9 not checked.
> Not corrected for nor checked in IE 6.
>
> ~d
>

While I appreciate your time, I was not looking to change the way the
page reacts to the viewport, just whether or not there is a better way
to do what I was already doing and if it is possible to have IE7 and 8
react the same way as capable browsers.

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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread Tom Livingston 
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:04 PM, John D  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> 1) Is the way I am achieving the effect completely bonkers? Am I
>> overlooking a much simpler way?
>
> That is exactly the way to do what you are trying to do except that I would 
> fix the image position like this:
>
> #outer-wrap{background: #fff url(../Bokeh.jpg) no-repeat fixed 50% top; }
>
> The altermnative to fixed is scroll but this is not necessary in your case as 
> you are not repeating the image (x nor y)
>
>>
>> 2) Is there a better way to achieve what is happening?
>
> Not that I know of except the other respondents made it very scientific and 
> therefore very complicated IMO.
>
>>
>> 3) Providing i'm not doing something completely insane, is it possible
>> to get IE7 and 8 to play nicer (have the bg image not continue behind
>> the content as the viewport decreases below 900px wide)? With a
>> different method?
>>
>
> To make it liquid, use percentages instead of px.  Try a width of 90% for 
> outer-wrap and remove the width for other divs.
>
> You also need to make sure it validates because you don't have an opening 
>  and also an opening .  Always use the validation service just to 
> iron out basic mistakes and unbalanced html/css tags.
>
> My 2 pence worth.
>

I fixed the missing opening , embarrassingly, but I see no issue
with the opening body. It's in conditional comments.

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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread David Laakso 

On 6/29/11 4:31 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:

List,

I have a working example of what I am after:

http://www.mlinc.com/tl-test/





Keep it simple. And readable on landing.

markup

css



Folds to 400 in FF, Safari, Opera, and Chrome.
Folds to 600 in IE 7/8.
IE 9 not checked.
Not corrected for nor checked in IE 6.

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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread John D 




> 1) Is the way I am achieving the effect completely bonkers? Am I
> overlooking a much simpler way?

That is exactly the way to do what you are trying to do except that I would fix 
the image position like this:

#outer-wrap{background: #fff url(../Bokeh.jpg) no-repeat fixed 50% top; }

The altermnative to fixed is scroll but this is not necessary in your case as 
you are not repeating the image (x nor y)

> 
> 2) Is there a better way to achieve what is happening?

Not that I know of except the other respondents made it very scientific and 
therefore very complicated IMO.

> 
> 3) Providing i'm not doing something completely insane, is it possible
> to get IE7 and 8 to play nicer (have the bg image not continue behind
> the content as the viewport decreases below 900px wide)? With a
> different method?
> 

To make it liquid, use percentages instead of px.  Try a width of 90% for 
outer-wrap and remove the width for other divs.

You also need to make sure it validates because you don't have an opening 
 and also an opening .  Always use the validation service just to 
iron out basic mistakes and unbalanced html/css tags.

My 2 pence worth.
  
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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread Tom Livingston 
List,

I have a working example of what I am after:

http://www.mlinc.com/tl-test/

In a capable browser, you can see how the large bg image is behaving.
This is what I am after and I'm using a media query to achieve this.
But I have a couple questions for you concerning the background
image

1) Is the way I am achieving the effect completely bonkers? Am I
overlooking a much simpler way?

2) Is there a better way to achieve what is happening?

3) Providing i'm not doing something completely insane, is it possible
to get IE7 and 8 to play nicer (have the bg image not continue behind
the content as the viewport decreases below 900px wide)? With a
different method?

Thanks a lot for your time.



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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-29 Thread Tom Livingston 


On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:11 AM, Alan Gresley  wrote:

> On 29/06/2011 1:55 PM, John D wrote:
>> On 29/06/2011 9:01 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:
> 
>>> List,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to position a background image on the body of a page so
>>> that the LEFT EDGE of the image is always at 50% of the viewport? Ive
>>> googled a bit but not sure im using the right search terms...
>> 
>> Of course it is possible.  put this code for your background:
>> 
>> background: white url(background_image.gif) repeat-y 50% 0;
>> 
>> In the above code everything is self explanatory except the following:
>> 
>> 50% === background position x;
>> 0 === background position y;
> 
> 
> All that does is positions' the image at the center of the viewport. Tom 
> wants the _LEFT EDGE_ of the image positioned at 50% of the width of the 
> viewport. This is possible but you need to also use background-size (or 
> generated content, see below) which have some unexpected side affects. The 
> below solutions will work differently but some may or may not be what you are 
> after. It all depends on what the image is.
> 
> body {
>  background: url(image.jpg) 100% 0% no-repeat;
>  background-size: 50% auto;
> }
> 
> or
> 
> body {
>  background: url(image.jpg) 100% 0% repeat-y;
>  background-size: 50% auto;
> }
> 
> or
> 
> body {
>  background: url(image.jpg) 100% repeat-y;
>  background-size: 50% auto;
> }
> 
> or
> 
> body {
>  background: url(image.jpg) 100% 0% repeat-y;
>  background-size: 50% 200px;
> }
> 
> 
> If you are using an image with width and height in absolute values like 
> pixels and you don't want scaling, then this is another solution.
> 
> html::before {
>  content: url(image.jpg);
>  position: absolute;
>  margin-right: -150px; /* equal width of image */
>  left: 50%;
> }
> body {
>  position: relative;
>  z-index: 1;
> }
> 
> 
> 
Thanks Alan and others who responded. I'll give Alan's suggestions a 
run-through.
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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-28 Thread Alan Gresley 

On 29/06/2011 1:55 PM, John D wrote:

On 29/06/2011 9:01 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:



List,

Is it possible to position a background image on the body of a page so
that the LEFT EDGE of the image is always at 50% of the viewport? Ive
googled a bit but not sure im using the right search terms...


Of course it is possible.  put this code for your background:

background: white url(background_image.gif) repeat-y 50% 0;

In the above code everything is self explanatory except the following:

50% === background position x;
0 === background position y;



All that does is positions' the image at the center of the viewport. Tom 
wants the _LEFT EDGE_ of the image positioned at 50% of the width of the 
viewport. This is possible but you need to also use background-size (or 
generated content, see below) which have some unexpected side affects. 
The below solutions will work differently but some may or may not be 
what you are after. It all depends on what the image is.


body {
  background: url(image.jpg) 100% 0% no-repeat;
  background-size: 50% auto;
}

or

body {
  background: url(image.jpg) 100% 0% repeat-y;
  background-size: 50% auto;
}

or

body {
  background: url(image.jpg) 100% repeat-y;
  background-size: 50% auto;
}

or

body {
  background: url(image.jpg) 100% 0% repeat-y;
  background-size: 50% 200px;
}


If you are using an image with width and height in absolute values like 
pixels and you don't want scaling, then this is another solution.


html::before {
  content: url(image.jpg);
  position: absolute;
  margin-right: -150px; /* equal width of image */
  left: 50%;
}
body {
  position: relative;
  z-index: 1;
}



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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-28 Thread Chetan Crasta 
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Tom Livingston  wrote:
>
> Is it possible to position a background image on the body of a page so
> that the LEFT EDGE of the image is always at 50% of the viewport? Ive
> googled a bit but not sure im using the right search terms...
>
>
background: url(image.png) no-repeat 50% 0;

The above CSS will cause the image to be centered. For the *left edge* to be
at the center, you need to double the width of the image by adding a
transparent region on the left.
For example, if you have an image of width 200px, using an image editor add
a 200px transparent region to the left of the image. The new width of the
image will be 400px. Now apply the above CSS to align the left edge of the
image to the center of the viewport.

Regards,
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Re: [css-d] Background image position

2011-06-28 Thread John D 

Of course it is possible.  put this code for your background:

background: white url(background_image.gif) repeat-y 50% 0;

In the above code everything is self explanatory except the following:

50% === background position x;
0 === background position y;


> List,
> 
> Is it possible to position a background image on the body of a page so
> that the LEFT EDGE of the image is always at 50% of the viewport? Ive
> googled a bit but not sure im using the right search terms...
> 

  
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Re: [css-d] Background Image Position Problems--Do You Have a Work Around?

2007-06-27 Thread L Lay 
Fabienne wrote:
> Hello, all. I am creating a Zen Cart for my store and  have put an image 
> in the background of my pages. The webpage is found here: 
> http://www.possets.com/zen-cart and the CSS can be found here. 
>  
>
> In some browsers, the image looks great. In other browsers the 
> background images are drifting up too high and show the bottom being cut 
> off and it's unattractive.  I want to be 
> able to position the image in the background and have it look good in 
> IE6, 5.5, and 5 at least, so the image bottom sits on or below the 
> bottom of the page.
>
>
>   
Try

background:#FF url(../images/possetsgirl800w.jpg) no-repeat fixed 
left bottom;

or

background:#FF url(../images/possetsgirl800w.jpg) no-repeat fixed  0 
100%;


This will fix the background to the bottom of the viewport, which might 
be below the bottom of the page at higher resolutions.  When you use 
fixed units like pixels, the top left of the image is put at that point 
in the containing box, which is basically the viewport in your case.  
But if you use percentages, a point in the image at the specified 
percentages is matched to the same point in the containing box.  So, for 
example, if you specify "10% 20%" as the percentages, a point 10% across 
and 20% down in the image is matched to the point 10% across and 20% 
down in the containing box.

You might try playing with percentages as well to see if they provide 
the effect you want.  Setting the horizontal percentage (the first 
value) to 50% will centre the image in the containing box.

HTH

Lori
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Re: [css-d] Background Image Position Varies in Different Browsers

2006-07-25 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh 

On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:16 AM, Ingo Chao wrote:

>> page:  www.springfieldmogov.org/founders/new.html
>> CSS:  www.springfieldmogov.org/css/founders.css
>>
>> Problem:  The background image on the #content div is a photo montage
>> running down the left side of the page.  It's position looks great in
>> Firefox, shows a slight gap in IE on both PC and Mac, is  
>> substantially
>> higher in Safari (thus not lining up properly under the logo), and  
>> Netscape
>> doesn't show it at all.
>
> I'd be more concerned about Safari ignoring the padding-top:40px of
> #content. #content clears the floating li of the the menu. For me, the
> padding should not collapse with the menu, and Fx and Opera agree.
> Someone with a little time and understanding should reduce this.

Actually, I think Safari is correct (and iCab agrees :-)).
#header has a height specified (115px).
#menu, *inside* #header, also has a height specified (50px) and top- 
padding (115px) ---> computed height:165px.
Result: #menu overflows out of #header.
#content is then positioned 115px from the top of the page.
The content of #content is then clearing the floated 's inside  
#menu.
I'm not sure why Gecko and Opera are doing what they are doing here.  
Conflicting stuff in there. I need to study that a bit more to  
understand it.

A strange thing in Gecko with your stylesheet: when I zoom in, the  
background image moves downwards. It shouldn't do that.

To fix that part of the story, simply remove the height declaration  
on #header, allowing it to expand to the full 165px needed to contain  
#menu. Then adjust top-padding on #content to taste.
Cross browser stable, not tested in iExploder.

You'll then notice that your background image is positioned to low,  
setting background-position to 0 32px fixes it here.

(and set the min-height on #content to 406px - matching the height of  
your background-image.)

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Re: [css-d] Background Image Position Varies in Different Browsers

2006-07-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun 
Chris Akins wrote:
> However - I'd still love to know why a background image doesn't work 
> as intended when attaching to the #content div.

Yes, if the browsers can read your intentions through your
source-code/CSS, and agree on what it says.

> Shouldn't a background image work on either the body or another div 
> without being wildly different on various browsers?

Basically: yes. However, all my browsers move the divs around when I do
a little window-resizing and/or some font-resizing, and the
background-images naturally moves with them.

OTOH: body is "standing still" (within reason :-) ) so that element is a
bit more predictable. An outer wrapper just inside body will also be
"standing still" if you style it to, so adding one or more of those is
an alternative if you really need to add multiple background-images with
a bit of position-predictability.

So, apart from a few browser-bugs, you get the line-up you design for,
with all the variables your design meets at the User-end - that you also
have to take into account if you want your design to survive in an
acceptable way.

Plenty of variables in web design. That's part of what makes web design
such a fun - and sometimes funny - activity.

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Re: [css-d] Background Image Position Varies in Different Browsers

2006-07-25 Thread Chris Akins 
Ah, yes - thanks for pointing that out.  I've found that if I put the
montage as a background image on the body tag instead, I get the desired
result.

However - I'd still love to know why a background image doesn't work as
intended when attaching to the #content div.

I did find one coding problem, which, when fixed still didn't fix the
overall problem.  I was incorrectly trying to use a background position pair
which used one keyword and one pixel value.  Can't do that, according to W3C
specs.  So I changed to all px values.

This is a perfect example of how enough stumbling around can sometimes lead
to an answer, but it sure would help me be more efficient if I knew the
'whys' behind my original issue.  Shouldn't a background image work on
either the body or another div without being wildly different on various
browsers?

On 7/25/06, Skip Knox < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FYI and FWIW, the gap appears in Firefox too, if you start sizing up the
> text.
>
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Re: [css-d] Background Image Position Varies in Different Browsers

2006-07-25 Thread Ingo Chao 
Chris Akins wrote:
> page:  www.springfieldmogov.org/founders/new.html
> CSS:  www.springfieldmogov.org/css/founders.css
> 
> Problem:  The background image on the #content div is a photo montage
> running down the left side of the page.  It's position looks great in
> Firefox, shows a slight gap in IE on both PC and Mac, is substantially
> higher in Safari (thus not lining up properly under the logo), and Netscape
> doesn't show it at all.

I'd be more concerned about Safari ignoring the padding-top:40px of 
#content. #content clears the floating li of the the menu. For me, the 
padding should not collapse with the menu, and Fx and Opera agree. 
Someone with a little time and understanding should reduce this.

> ... Incidently, is there any trick to getting responses?  I posted a thing
> several days ago but haven't gotten any.  Yet others seem to have many, many
> replies.  :-(

You could try to ask simpler questions. It's just too hot here.

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Re: [css-d] Background Image Position Varies in Different Browsers

2006-07-25 Thread Skip Knox 
FYI and FWIW, the gap appears in Firefox too, if you start sizing up the
text.


>>> On 7/25/2006 at 9:26 AM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chris
Akins"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> page:  www.springfieldmogov.org/founders/new.html 
> CSS:  www.springfieldmogov.org/css/founders.css 
> 
> Problem:  The background image on the #content div is a photo
montage
> running down the left side of the page.  It's position looks great
in
> Firefox, shows a slight gap in IE on both PC and Mac, is
substantially
> higher in Safari (thus not lining up properly under the logo), and
Netscape
> doesn't show it at all.
> 
> Other than that the page is perfect!  :-)
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  Should I be approaching the desired end from
a
> different angle?
> 
> In case it matters, a sample page including some of the real content
is:
> 
> www.springfieldmogov.org/founders/newContent.html 
> 
> Incidently, is there any trick to getting responses?  I posted a
thing
> several days ago but haven't gotten any.  Yet others seem to have
many, many
> replies.  :-(
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Chris
>
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