Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Mike Schinkel wrote: david wrote: !important is not a hack. It's an official W3C thing, That doesn't mean is can't still be called a hack... '-p I'll let people who use hacks talk about what constitutes a hack. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Let me post the question properly. The hack !important works in IE6 but not in IE7. Is there a hack -- or perhaps another routine -- that will work in IE7? My particular problem regards positioning. I find that extra pixel or two in IE can make a design look less than stellar. david wrote: !important is not invalid. !ie is. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Create stylesheets with the css you want to feed IE6 and IE7. Then put conditional comments in the head of your page: !--[if gte IE 6]link href=/css/ie6.css rel=stylesheet media=screen, projection type=text/css /![endif]-- !--[if gte IE 7]link href=/css/ie7.css rel=stylesheet media=screen, projection type=text/css /![endif]- On Jan 6, 2008 1:38 AM, Slob Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me post the question properly. The hack !important works in IE6 but not in IE7. Is there a hack -- or perhaps another routine -- that will work in IE7? My particular problem regards positioning. I find that extra pixel or two in IE can make a design look less than stellar. david wrote: !important is not invalid. !ie is. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Slob Jones wrote: Let me post the question properly. The hack !important works in IE6 but not in IE7. Is there a hack -- or perhaps another routine -- that will work in IE7? My particular problem regards positioning. I find that extra pixel or two in IE can make a design look less than stellar. david wrote: !important is not invalid. !ie is. How about providing a clickable link to the page that is giving you the problem? Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
!important is not a hack. It's an official W3C thing, although I believe it's supposed to be used only in user stylesheets. Slob Jones wrote: Let me post the question properly. The hack !important works in IE6 but not in IE7. Is there a hack -- or perhaps another routine -- that will work in IE7? My particular problem regards positioning. I find that extra pixel or two in IE can make a design look less than stellar. david wrote: !important is not invalid. !ie is. -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
david wrote: !important is not a hack. It's an official W3C thing, That doesn't mean is can't still be called a hack... '-p -- -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org http://atlanta-web.org __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
I keep hearing how !important is an invalid hack, and yet I see no suggestions on how to solve the very real problem of that additional pixel or two in IE that screws up people's layouts. That invalid hack, by the way, works very well in IE6. Anyone? Can someone let me in what is meant with !ie hack and point me to a reference? Ingo It's an invalid hack [1] used to target IE7. Almost any word can be used after ! in the important identifier. [1] http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks#unrecommended-important_ie Alan __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Conditional comments. PeterA. Slob Jones wrote: I keep hearing how !important is an invalid hack, and yet I see no suggestions on how to solve the very real problem of that additional pixel or two in IE that screws up people's layouts. That invalid hack, by the way, works very well in IE6. Anyone? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
!important is not invalid. !ie is. Slob Jones wrote: I keep hearing how !important is an invalid hack, and yet I see no suggestions on how to solve the very real problem of that additional pixel or two in IE that screws up people's layouts. That invalid hack, by the way, works very well in IE6. Anyone? Can someone let me in what is meant with !ie hack and point me to a reference? Ingo It's an invalid hack [1] used to target IE7. Almost any word can be used after ! in the important identifier. [1] http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks#unrecommended-important_ie -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Ingo Chao on 4 January 2008 04:04 Nancy E. Sosna Bohm wrote: Often I find a pixel or two difference between FireFox and IE7, mostly due to my use of borders and padding. I have been extensively using !ie at the end of a style declaration to correct this in IE7. This is similar to the !important used to target both FF and IE7, but not IE6. Both of these work perfectly, but I don't see any mention of them on this list. Is there something wrong with this practice that I should know? I use conditional comments for IE6. Thanks in advance, Nancy Can someone let me in what is meant with !ie hack and point me to a reference? Ingo It's an invalid hack [1] used to target IE7. Almost any word can be used after ! in the important identifier. [1] http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks#unrecommended-important_ie Alan http://css-class.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Alan Gresley wrote: ... Can someone let me in what is meant with !ie hack and point me to a reference? Ingo It's an invalid hack [1] used to target IE7. Almost any word can be used after ! in the important identifier. [1] http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks#unrecommended-important_ie Alan http://css-class.com/ Thank you, Alan. Cool. But in the light of upcoming IE8? [Aside] Though this be madness, yet there is method in't. Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Ingo It's an invalid hack [1] used to target IE7. Almost any word can be used after ! in the important identifier. [1] http://www.webdevout.net/css-hacks#unrecommended-important_ie Alan http://css-class.com/ Thank you, Alan. I'm glad you asked ;) -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Nancy E. Sosna Bohm wrote: Often I find a pixel or two difference between FireFox and IE7, mostly due to my use of borders and padding. Regular use of borders and paddings should not create any difference between Fx and IE7 - when both are in standard mode. There are certain constructions that IE's engine interprets different from Gecko though, so I'm not ruling out that such differences appear at times. Can you present links to cases that clearly show such differences? I have been extensively using !ie at the end of a style declaration to correct this in IE7. This is similar to the !important used to target both FF and IE7, but not IE6. Both of these work perfectly, but I don't see any mention of them on this list. The !important hack is an old one, and I think both hacks have been mentioned here on css-d a few times. Personally I've never used any of them. Is there something wrong with this practice that I should know? I use conditional comments for IE6. Extensive use of (any) hacks is something few will promote, as it often signals a somewhat flawed approach towards problems with browser-differences. We try to find the cause of the problems first and try to fix them - iron them out, and not hack away at the apparent differences until it's established that the problems clearly can't be overcome any other way. Thus, I'd like to have a look at the problems before commenting on whether there's something wrong with the practice, or not. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Use of !ie and !important
Nancy E. Sosna Bohm wrote: Often I find a pixel or two difference between FireFox and IE7, mostly due to my use of borders and padding. I have been extensively using !ie at the end of a style declaration to correct this in IE7. This is similar to the !important used to target both FF and IE7, but not IE6. Both of these work perfectly, but I don't see any mention of them on this list. Is there something wrong with this practice that I should know? I use conditional comments for IE6. Thanks in advance, Nancy Can someone let me in what is meant with !ie hack and point me to a reference? Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
