[CTRL] SaddamGate - The Story Continues

2004-01-05 Thread flw
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Saddam's capture: was a deal brokered behind the scenes?

 When it emerged that the Kurds had captured the Iraqi dictator,
the US celebrations evaporated.  David Pratt asks
whether a secret political trade-off has been engineered

For a story that three weeks ago gripped the world's imagination, it has now all
but dropped off the radar. Peculiar really, for if one thing might have been
expected in the aftermath of Saddam Hussein's capture, it was the endless
political and media mileage that the Bush administration would get out of it .

After all, for 249 days Saddam's elusiveness had been a symbol of America's
ineptitude in Iraq, and, at last, with his capture came the long-awaited chance
to return some flak to the Pentagon's critics.

It also afforded the opportunity to demonstrate the effectiveness of America's
elite covert and intelligence units such as Task Force 20 and Greyfox .

And it was a terrific chance for the perfect photo-op showing the American
soldier, and Time magazine's Person of the Year, hauling High Value Target
Number One out of his filthy spiderhole in the village of al-Dwar.

Then along came that story: the one about the Kurds beating the US Army in the
race to find Saddam first, and details of Operation Red Dawn suddenly began to
evaporate.

US Army spokesmen - so effusive in the immediate wake of Saddam's capture - no
longer seemed willing to comment, or simply went to ground.

But rumours of the crucial Kurdish role persisted, even though it now seems
their previously euphoric spokesmen have now, similarly, been afflicted by an
inexplicable bout of reticence.

It was two weeks ago that the Sunday Herald revealed how a Kurdish special
forces unit belonging to the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) had spearheaded
and tracked down Saddam, sealing off the al-Dwar farmhouse long before the
arrival of the US forces.

PUK leader Jalal Talabani had chosen to leak the news and details of the
operation's commander, Qusrut Rasul Ali, to the Iranian media long before Saddam
's capture was reported by the mainstream Western press or confirmed by the US
military.

By the time Western press agencies were running the same story, the entire
emphasis had changed however, and the ousted Iraqi president had been captured
in a raid by US forces backed by Kurdish fighters.

In the intervening few weeks that troublesome Kurdish story has gone around the
globe, picked up by newspapers from The Sydney Morning Herald to the US
Christian Science Monitor, as well as the Kurdish press.

While Washington and the PUK remain schtum, further confirmation that the Kurds
were way ahead in Saddam's capture continues to leak out.

According to one Israeli source who was in the company of Kurds at a meeting in
Athens early on December 14, one of the Kurdish representatives burst into the
conference room in tears and demanded an immediate halt to the discussions.

Saddam Hussein has been captured, he said, adding that he had received word
from Kurdistan - before any television reports.

According to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the delegate also confirmed that
most of the information leading to the deposed dictator's arrest had come from
the Kurds and - as our earlier Sunday Herald report revealed - who had organised
their own intelligence network which had been trying to uncover Saddam's tracks
for months.

The delegate further claimed that six months earlier the Kurds had discovered
that Saddam's wife was in the Tikrit area. This intelligence, most likely
obtained by Qusrut Rasul Ali and his PUK special forces unit, was transferred to
the Americans. The Kurds, however, are said to have never received any follow-up
from the coalition forces on this vital tip-off and were furious.

Whatever the full extent of their undoubted involvement in providing
intelligence or actively participating on the ground in Saddam's capture, the
Kurds, and the PUK in particular, would benefit handsomely.



Apart from a trifling $25 million bounty, their status would have been
substantially boosted in Washington, which may in part explain the recent
vociferous Kurdish reassertion of their long-term political ambitions in the
new Iraq.

For their own part the Kurds have already launched a political arrangement
designed to secure their aspirations with respect to autonomy, if not
nationalist or separatist aspirations.

To show how serious they are, the two main Kurdish groups, the PUK and the
Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), have decided to close ranks and set up a joint
Kurdish administration, with jobs being divided between the two camps. They have
made it clear to the Americans that their leadership has a responsibility to
their constituency.

Last week Massoud Barzani, leader of the KDP, called for a revision of the
power-transfer agreement signed between the US-led coalition and Iraq's interim
governing council to recognise Kurdish rights.

The November 15 agreement calls for the creation of a national assembly 

[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Private Contractor Tests New Illegal Ammo By Killing An Iraqi

2004-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan
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Private Contractor Tests New Illegal Ammo By Killing An Iraqi : Lovely
People We've Sent Over There To Fight ; Army Times

Private Contractor Tests New Illegal Ammo By Killing An Iraqi
Lovely People We've Sent Over There To Fight

12/16/2003 6:07:03 PM
Army Times

Baghdad, Iraq -- [Bill: Isn't this what the Jews accused Mengele of
doing -- testing military
equipment on human beings? Oy! Just two-faced-ness. One would never
expect
such a thing from a Jewish war. :-/]

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2426405.php

Private Contractor Tests New Illegal Ammo By Killing An Iraqi

1-shot killer. This 5.56mm round has all the stopping power you need ? but
you can?t use it. Here?s why:

By John G. Roos
Special to the Times

12/01/03: (The Army Times) Ben Thomas and three colleagues were driving
north out of Baghdad in an SUV on a clear mid-September morning, headed
down a
dirt road into a rural village, when gunmen in several surrounding
buildings
opened fire on them.

In a brief but intense firefight, Thomas hit one of the attackers with a
single shot from his M4 carbine at a distance he estimates was 100 to 110
yards.

He hit the man in the buttocks, a wound that typically is not fatal. But
this round appeared to kill the assailant instantly.

?It entered his butt and completely destroyed everything in the lower left
section of his stomach ... everything was torn apart,? Thomas said.

Thomas, a security consultant with a private company contracted by the
government, recorded the first known enemy kill using a new ? and
controversial ? bullet.

The bullet is so controversial that if Thomas, a former SEAL, had been on
active duty, he would have been court-martialed for using it. The
ammunition
is ?nonstandard? and hasn?t passed the military?s approval process.

?The way I explain what happened to people who weren?t there is ? this
stuff
was like hitting somebody with a miniature explosive round,? he said, even
though the ammo does not have an explosive tip. ?Nobody believed that this
guy
died from a butt shot.?

The bullet Thomas fired was an armor-piercing, limited-penetration round
manufactured by RBCD of San Antonio.

A new process

APLP ammo is manufactured using a so-called ?blended-metal? process, said
Stan Bulmer, president of sales and manufacturing for Le Mas Ltd. of
Little
Rock, Ark. Le Mas is the distributor of RBCD ammo.

Various bullet types made by RBCD are designed for different effects,
Bulmer
said.

The frangible APLP ammo will bore through steel and other hard targets but
will not pass through a human torso, an eight-inch-thick block of artist?s
clay
or even several layers of drywall. Instead of passing through a body, it
shatters, creating ?untreatable wounds.?

Le Mas gave Thomas a small number of APLP rounds after he contacted the
company.

After driving off their attackers, Thomas and his colleagues quickly
searched the downed enemy fighter for items of intelligence value. They
also
took time to examine the wound.

?There?s absolutely no comparison, whatever, none,? to other wounds he has
seen from 5.56mm ammo, Thomas said in a telephone interview while on home
leave
in Florida.

He said he feels qualified to assess a bullet?s effects, having trained as
a
special-operations medic and having shot people with various types of
ammo,
including the standard-issue green tip and the Black Hills Mk 262, favored
by
spec-ops troops.

Thomas was the only member of the four-man group who had RBCD ammo. He
said
that after the group returned to base, they and other members of his group
snatched up the remaining rounds.

?They were fighting over it,? he said. ?At the end of the day, each of us
took five rounds. That?s all we had left.?

Congress wants tests

Last year?s defense budget included $1.05 million for testing
blended-metal

[CTRL] Fwd: Building on Our Victories

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Building on Our Victories 
By Eisha Mason
January 2, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0102-11.htm
We have arrived at the end of a tumultuous year in our world, in
which our country and our own lives have changed dramatically.
Last winter, in bitter cold, I was in Washington, D.C. marching to
prevent the war in Iraq with 100,000 other dedicated Americans. We
were a part of demonstrations all over the world, united in a
desire for peace. We were cold, but our hearts were warm; and we
dared to believe that we might really stop the coming war.
But war came. And a year later, the Bush Administration continues
its assault on civil liberties, on the environment, media, human
services programs, and on our children’s financial future. It
continues to rob from the poor and give to the rich, and undermine
the foundations of democracy.
If we listen unquestioningly to the mass media, we may begin to
believe that we have endured one defeat after another in 2003. And
some of us see the commencement of the Iraq War as our greatest
defeat. But this is a mistake. Such a perception sees through too
narrow a prism. Iraq was a milestone. One battle does not make a
war, one experiment does not make an invention and one campaign
does not make a movement.
In the past year, we have been victorious in progressing as a
movement for peace and justice. We have much to celebrate and much
to build upon as we face the challenges ahead of us.
The Victories We Won
We Were Not Silent
In 2003, our movement firmly established itself in resistance to
the war and in the recognition that the military build up abroad,
in effect, declared war on the economic and civil well being of
Americans at home. Throughout America, neighborhood peace groups
spontaneously sprang up with lightening speed.
And these autonomous groups rapidly formed loose networks of like-
minded local groups and all ready established peace and justice
organizations.
Street corner vigils multiplied, not just in the numbers of
individuals on a corner, but in the number of corners occupied
across America, in small towns as well as urban communities. Mass
demonstrations in San Francisco, LA and New York became more
“massive” because people, ordinary people, traveled across country
to make their voices heard.
We Spoke Truth to Power
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., in his reflections on the Birmingham
campaign during the American Civil Rights movement, said, “The
ultimate tragedy of Birmingham was not the brutality of the bad
people, but the silence of the good people.”
Let us celebrate that we were not silent. At a time when it was so
easy to be cowed by the media war machine or by this
Administration that called us “traitors” and “collaborators with
the enemy,” we dared to question or think for ourselves. When it
was easier to keep silent in family gatherings or in the lunchroom
at work, when neighbors may have turned away from us, when we
sometimes thought we were all alone, we can celebrate that we were
not silent. When we were pumped an intravenous diet of Fear each
day, we did not succumb. We were true to our own consciences.
When our children and grand children question us about this time,
we will be able to look them in the eye and tell them that we were
not silent. When they ask how countrymen betrayed their values and
almost lost our freedoms and almost bankrupted this country, we
can tell them how we helped save these treasures for the next
generation and how we held the vision and listened to the Truth in
our own hearts. Perhaps this, more than anything, is what matters
most.
We Created Public Debate
In 2003, even though we were all but shut out of mainstream media,
we succeeded in demonstrating our presence as a movement. Through
our vigils, demonstrations, letters, and alternative media, we

[CTRL] Fwd: The Left, Faith-based Movements and Social Change

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On The Left, Faith-Based Movements and Social Change
[On Dec. 26, portside posted an item from the Christian Science
Monitor entitled Inequity - Is it a Sin? The article generated a
number of responses by portsiders. Below are the urls for the
orginal article as well as portsiders' comments. Today we post the
most recent contribution to the discussion in the hope that it
will generate even more on this topic. See also today's Tidbits -
portsideMod]
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1224/p14s03-lire.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/portside/message/5258
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/portside/message/5266
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/portside/pending?view=1msg=63362
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/portside/message/5269
Re: Faith-based movements - Bruce Boccardy
By Chris Lowe,Portland, Oregon
This is a friendly response to Bruce Boccardy's reply to Katha
Pollitt. When this sort of argument flares up periodically among
progressives, it always puzzles me. In every social movement with
which I have had any contact since my childhood in the 1960s,
there have always been coalitions involving cooperation between
religious, faith- or spiritually-motivated people and secular
people. I am not sure exactly what Bruce Boccardy means by
embracing people of faith. Personally I have never been part of
a secular organization that either refused to work with religious
groups or excluded religious individuals. Likewise when I recently
gave a talk on HIV/AIDS in Africa at a local Lutheran church as
part of an Advent project they do each year, no one questioned me
about my faith.
Yet the coalitions have also often had important activists whose
religions are based on subtle and stark formal contrasts. Besides
Christianity's powerful and exclusivist formal embrace of Jesus as
the only path to salvation, religious progressive Christians tend
to look to New Testament emphases on peace, mercy, and
forgiveness. Progressive and religious Jews tend to look to
emphases in their traditions on justice and on living an engaged
ethical life that adapts old principles to new situations. For the
Christians, the question of justice is not absent, but it has
tended to be brought in partly from the coalition work itself.
This may be partly from work with Jews, but more especially
reflects the influence of African-American varieties of
Christianity have for historical reasons drawn more heavily on the
Old Testament, not least for the role of justice in its ethics,
as well as the freeing of peoples from literal bondage, not simply
the metaphorical redemption from the bondage of sin.
It has been the social struggles of the past 50 years or so that
have brought to the fore the peace and justice linkage that now
characterizes much mainline Christian church social thinking, as
well as such liminal denominations as the divided Quaker movement
and the Unitarian-Universalists, with influence also from
Buddhists (mostly western converts) and from Gandhi's Hinduism.
That has happened in the shadow of World War II and the Jewish
Holocaust in Europe, with the rise of organized efforts and
Christian-Jewish rapprochement as well as intra-Christian
ecumenical efforts to limit or ameliorate sectarianism and
destructive denominationalism.
Now there is a whole new dimension being brought in involving
Muslims, the need to protect Muslim people from discrimination and
demonization, and the abysmal ignorance of most other Americans of
whatever faith or secularity about Islam, particularly its
internal debates and struggles that relate to progressivism and
social justice issues, and questions like those vexing Christian
denominations about embracing full equality for women and sexual
minorities.
In coalition movements and organizations containing both secular
and faith-motivated activists, it has been clear enough to me 

[CTRL] Fwd: [narconews] From the Treasurer of The Fund for Authentic Journalism

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[CTRL] Fwd: [smashthestate] Paul Graham on Heresy

2004-01-05 Thread Kris Millegan
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Paul Graham on Heresy

http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html

January 2004

(This essay is about heresy: how to think forbidden thoughts, and what to
do with them. The latter was till recently something only a small elite had
to think about. Now we all have to, because the Web has made us all
publishers.)



Have you ever seen an old photo of yourself and been embarrassed at the way
you looked? Did we actually dress like that? We did. And we had no idea how
silly we looked. It's the nature of fashion to be invisible, in the same
way the movement of the earth is invisible to all of us riding on it.

What scares me is that there are moral fashions too. They're just as
arbitrary, and just as invisible to most people. But they're much more
dangerous. Fashion is mistaken for good design; moral fashion is mistaken
for good. Dressing oddly gets you laughed at. Violating moral fashions can
get you fired, ostracized, imprisoned, or even killed.

If you could travel back in a time machine, one thing would be true no
matter where you went: you'd have to watch what you said. Opinions we
consider harmless could have gotten you in big trouble. I've already said
at least one thing that would have gotten me in big trouble in most of
Europe in the seventeenth century, and did get Galileo in big trouble when
he said it-- that the earth moves. [1]

Nerds are always getting in trouble. They say improper things for the same
reason they dress unfashionably and have good ideas: convention has less
hold over them.

It seems to be a constant throughout history: In every period, people
believed things that were just ridiculous, and believed them so strongly
that you would have gotten in terrible trouble for saying otherwise.

Is our time any different? To anyone who has read any amount of history,
the answer is almost certainly no. It would be a remarkable coincidence if
ours were the first era to get everything just right.

It's tantalizing to think we believe things that people in the future will
find ridiculous. What would someone coming back to visit us in a time
machine have to be careful not to say? That's what I want to study here.
But I want to do more than just shock everyone with the heresy du jour. I
want to find general recipes for discovering what you can't say, in any era.



The Conformist Test

Let's start with a test: Do you have any opinions that you would be
reluctant to express in front of a group of your peers?

If the answer is no, you might want to stop and think about that. If
everything you believe is something you're supposed to believe, could that
possibly be a coincidence? Odds are it isn't. Odds are you just think
whatever you're told.

The other alternative would be that you independently considered every
question and came up with the exact same answers that are now considered
acceptable. That seems unlikely, because you'd also have to make the same
mistakes. Mapmakers deliberately put slight mistakes in their maps so they
can tell when someone copies them. If another map has the same mistake,
that's very convincing evidence.

Like every other era in history, our moral map almost certainly contains a
few mistakes. And anyone who makes the same mistakes probably didn't do it
by accident. It would be like someone claiming they had independently
decided in 1972 that bell-bottom jeans were a good idea.

If you believe everything you're supposed to now, how can you be sure you
wouldn't also have believed everything you were supposed to if you had
grown up among the plantation owners of the pre-Civil War South, or in
Germany in the 1930s-- or among the Mongols in 1200, for that matter? Odds
are you would have.

Back in the era of terms like well-adjusted, the idea seemed to be that
there was something wrong with you if you thought things you didn't dare
say out 

[CTRL] Fwd: Bush's Democracy Hypocrisy at Home

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While claiming to export democracy to Iraq, the Bush administration has been 
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[CTRL] Fwd: Saddam's capture - brokered behind the scenes?

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Saddam's capture: was a deal brokered behind the scenes?
By David Pratt
January 04, 2004, sundayherald online
http://www.sundayherald.com/39096
When it emerged that the Kurds had captured the Iraqi dictator, the US celebrations 
evaporated. David Pratt asks whether a secret political trade-off has been engineered
* * * * *
For a story that three weeks ago gripped the world's imagination, it has now all but 
dropped off the radar.
Peculiar really, for if one thing might have been expected in the aftermath of Saddam 
Hussein's capture, it was the endless political and media mileage that the Bush 
administration would get out of it .
After all, for 249 days Saddam's elusiveness had been a symbol of America's ineptitude 
in Iraq, and, at last, with his capture came the long-awaited chance to return some 
flak to the Pentagon's critics.
It also afforded the opportunity to demonstrate the effectiveness of America's elite 
covert and intelligence units such as Task Force 20 and Greyfox .
And it was a terrific chance for the perfect photo-op showing the American soldier, 
and Time magazine's 'Person of the Year', hauling 'High Value Target Number One' out 
of his filthy spiderhole in the village of al- Dwar.
Then along came that story: the one about the Kurds beating the US Army in the race to 
find Saddam first, and details of Operation Red Dawn suddenly began to evaporate.
US Army spokesmen - so effusive in the immediate wake of Saddam's capture - no longer 
seemed willing to comment, or simply went to ground.
But rumours of the crucial Kurdish role persisted, even though it now seems their 
previously euphoric spokesmen have now, similarly, been afflicted by an inexplicable 
bout of reticence.
It was two weeks ago that the Sunday Herald revealed how a Kurdish special forces unit 
belonging to the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) had spearheaded and tracked down 
Saddam, sealing off the al-Dwar farmhouse long 'before the arrival of the US forces'.
PUK leader Jalal Talabani had chosen to leak the news and details of the operation's 
commander, Qusrut Rasul Ali, to the Iranian media long before Saddam's capture was 
reported by the mainstream Western press or confirmed by the US military.
By the time Western press agencies were running the same story, the entire emphasis 
had changed however, and the ousted Iraqi president had been 'captured in a raid by US 
forces backed by Kurdish fighters'.
In the intervening few weeks that troublesome Kurdish story has gone around the globe, 
picked up by newspapers from The Sydney Morning Herald to the US Christian Science 
Monitor, as well as the Kurdish press.
While Washington and the PUK remain schtum, further confirmation that the Kurds were 
way ahead in Saddam's capture continues to leak out.
According to one Israeli source who was in the company of Kurds at a meeting in Athens 
early on December 14, one of the Kurdish representatives burst into the conference 
room in tears and demanded an immediate halt to the discussions.
'Saddam Hussein has been captured,' he said, adding that he had received word from 
Kurdistan - before any television reports.
According to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the delegate also confirmed that most of 
the information leading to the deposed dictator's arrest had come from the Kurds and - 
as our earlier Sunday Herald report revealed - who had organised their own 
intelligence network which had been trying to uncover Saddam's tracks for months.
The delegate further claimed that six months earlier the Kurds had discovered that 
Saddam's wife was in the Tikrit area. This intelligence, most likely obtained by 
Qusrut Rasul Ali and his PUK special forces unit, was transferred to the Americans. 
The Kurds, however, are said to have never received any follow-up from the coalition 
forces on this 

[CTRL] Fwd: All it takes is a little boldness

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[emphasis mine]
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/010504A.shtml
Two Loud Words
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Monday 05 January 2004
 There have always been 'third-rail' issues in American politics,
subjects that, if touched
upon, will lead to certain political death. For a long while, and until
very recently, Social
Security was one of these issues.
 A new one, surrounding the attacks of September 11, has been
born in this political
season. If September 11 is discussed, the only allowable sub-topic
to be broached is
whether or not the Bush administration is capable of keeping us safe
from another
onslaught.
 Friday's edition of the Boston Globe had a case in point on the
front page. An article
titled 'For Bush, Readiness is Key Issue' stated that, "In speech after
speech, President
Bush has emphasized his administration's pledge never to forget the
lessons of Sept. 11.
He says the top goal of his administration is to prevent another attack."
The Globe article
contained, in the next paragraph, the standardized rejoinder: "And
while Democratic
opponents of the administration are unanimous in their hope that that
vulnerability is not
exposed with deadly results, they have also argued that Bush has done
far too little to
protect the country from another attack. He has refused to adequately
reimburse state and
local officials for homeland security costs, they argue, and has ignored
dangerous gaps in
air cargo and port security."
 Thus, the 'preparedness-gap' becomes the whittled-down talking
point du jour. This is a
whiff of colossal proportions, the implications of which will echo
down the halls of history unless someone develops enough spine to speak
the truth into a large microphone. The talking point is not difficult
to manage. It was splashed in gaudy multi-point font across the front page
of the New York Post in May of 2002.
 Two words: 'Bush Knew.'
 It is, frankly, amazing that this has fallen down the memory
hole. Recall two headlines
from that period. The first, from the UK Guardian on May 19, 2002,
was titled 'Bush
Knew of Terrorist Plot to Hijack US Planes.' The first three paragraphs
of this story read:
 "George Bush received specific warnings in the weeks before 11
September that an
attack inside the United States was being planned by Osama bin Laden's
al-Qaeda
network, US government sources said yesterday. In a top-secret intelligence
memo
headlined 'Bin Laden determined to strike in the US', the President
was told on 6 August
that the Saudi-born terrorist hoped to 'bring the fight to America'
in retaliation for missile
strikes on al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan in 1998. Bush and his aides,
who are facing
withering criticism for failing to act on a series of warnings, have
previously said
intelligence experts had not advised them domestic targets were considered
at risk.
However, they have admitted they were specifically told that hijacks
were being planned."
 Another story on the topic came from the New York Times on May
15, 2002, and was
titled 'Bush Was Warned bin Laden Wanted to Hijack Planes.'
 Unlike the Guardian piece, the Times chose to lead the article
with the Bush
administration's cover story, one the administration has stuck with
to this day:
 "The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned
by American
intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking
to hijack aircraft
but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the
hijackers would turn the
planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack. 'It is widely known
that we had
information that bin Laden wanted to attack the United States or United
States interests
abroad,' Ari Fleischer, the president's press secretary, said this
evening. 'The president was
also provided information about bin Laden wanting to 

[CTRL] Fwd: Gotham Gazette on street artists 1/5/04

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http://www.gothamgazette.com
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/arts/20040105/1/820

Gotham Gazette 1/5/04

Artists' Fight To Sell On The Sidewalk
by Martha Hostetter
January, 2004

Ever since the founding of New Amsterdam, there have been battles over the
right to control the public marketplace. The citys well-traveled sidewalks
and parks offer enticing places to set up shop, whether youre selling books,
art, knockoff purses, or hot dogs.

The most recent battle has been simmering since last March, when a 1991 New
York State law that regulated vending expired. Since then, vendors have been
proliferating in Times Square, Canal Street, Battery Park, and Fifth Avenue,
with their numbers peaking during the holiday season. In October, the Times
Square B.I.D. counted 208 vendors in the area, 66 more than in March. Mayor
Michael Bloomberg argues that the resulting sidewalk congestion creates a
public safety issue, forcing pedestrians to spill out on to the street. This
month, the State Assembly is likely to vote on legislation that would revise
the old regulations and also place new restrictions on vending. Advocates
for artist vendors say the proposed law infringes on their First Amendment
rights and threatens their livelihood, and they have sworn to fight it.

Through odd legal quirks, the fate of artist vendors is tied to that of
veterans. The old law limited the number of disabled veterans allowed to
sell on city streets. Once it expired, veterans could sell anywhere and
street artists could follow, thanks to a Department of Consumer Affairs
policy that states once a disabled veteran sets up shop on an otherwise
restricted street, artists can also set up there legally.

The proposed legislation [see below], which passed in the State Senate in
June, would clarify regulations on veteran vendors, allow for fingerprinting
of any vendor arrested for vending without a license, and prohibit vending
altogether for several blocks around Ground Zero. The bill stalled when
Democrats rejected the fingerprinting requirement, which they viewed as a
threat to immigrant and minority rights (vendors would get permanent
criminal records, even if their license had only recently expired). To its
supporters, fingerprinting would be a security measure and a way to deter
those without permits from selling. A related bill before the City Council
proposes to create a permit system for vendors of written matter in all city
parks, even though such a system was found to be unconstitutional in the
past.

Like immigrants, minorities, and disabled veterans, artist vendors tend to
live near the poverty level and make their primary income on the street.
While many hawk mass-produced prints of celebrities or landmarks, others
sell original art that has not made it into museums or galleries. In the
early 1990s, the city began requiring that artist vendors hold licenses,
even though vendors of written matter did not need to do so. To protest
this, a coalition of vendors formed A.R.T.I.S.T. (Artists' Response To
Illegal State Tactics) and filed suit against the city. From 1996 to 2001,
the group won a series of cases, including one that the city appealed all
the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. The courts found that vendors of
paintings, sculpture, prints, and photographs have the same First Amendment
rights to free _expression as those who sell written matter. A 1996 ruling
by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit found that visual
artwork is as wide ranging in its depiction of ideas, concepts, and emotions
as any book, treatise, pamphlet or other writing, and is similarly entitled
to full First Amendment protection. . . . The sale of protected materials is
also protected. . . . Furthermore, street marketing is in fact a part of the
message of appellants art. Anyone

[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Fw: Miles Copeland

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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:03 AM
Subject: Miles Copeland


I love this article, describing events in 
1959. To the world, CIA station chief in Cairo Miles Copleland "quit" in 
1954, following an unsuccessful coup attempt in Cairo, moving then to a position 
with Gulf Oil where Kermit Roosevelt joined him in 1957. However, 
herewe find Miles in Cairoin 1959, a "CIA specialist," overseeing 
Saddam Hussein.



But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American 
Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim 
Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence 
officials said.



Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA 
plot 
By Richard SaleUPI Intelligence CorrespondentPublished 4/10/2003 7:30 
PM
U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator 
Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as 
a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 
40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence 
officials.
United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. 
diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece 
together the following account. The CIA declined to comment on the report.
While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. 
intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his 
first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a 
CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister 
Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.
In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one former U.S. 
diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as "a horrible orgy of 
bloodshed."
According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of 
anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the 
Cold War with the Soviet Union. For example, in the mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to 
join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which was to defend the region and whose 
members included Turkey, Britain, Iran and Pakistan.
Little attention was paid to Qasim's bloody and conspiratorial regime until 
his sudden decision to withdraw from the pact in 1959, an act that "freaked 
everybody out" according to a former senior U.S. State Department official.
Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from the 
Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry positions of 
"real power," according to this official. The domestic instability of the 
country prompted CIA Director Allan Dulles to say publicly that Iraq was "the 
most dangerous spot in the world."
In the mid-1980s, Miles Copeland, a veteran CIA operative, told UPI the CIA 
had enjoyed "close ties" with Qasim's ruling Baath Party, just as it had close 
connections with the intelligence service of Egyptian leader Gamel Abd Nassar. 
In a recent public statement, Roger Morris, a former National Security Council 
staffer in the 1970s, confirmed this claim, saying that the CIA had chosen the 
authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party "as its instrument."
According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam, while 
only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qasim. 
According to this source, Saddam was installed in an apartment in Baghdad on 
al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim's office in Iraq's Ministry of Defense, 
to observe Qasim's movements.
Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the 
move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that Saddam's CIA handler 
was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian 

[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: US Intelligence was formed from Nazi Criminals - Far Worse than we were Told!

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 Six decades of cover-up and still going strong...

 * US intelligence was formed from Nazi war criminals *
 The Nazi war crimes apparatus was recruited lock, stock and barrel and
secretly redeployed worldwide. It's much worse than we were told.

 Part 1: Primed not to hear

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 * Summary: Primed not to hear *

 The other day, someone called to make a donation to Emperor's Clothes, and
he asked, What's this article you're going to post about the origins of US
and German Intelligence?

 And I said, It's really shocking. The US foreign policy establishment
created both intelligence services by re-creating the Nazi war crimes
apparatus. Lock, stock and barrel.

 I expected the caller to be amazed but I was the one who was amazed
because he wasn't.

 Oh that, he said.  Yeah, they were working with some Nazis. Everyone
knows that.

 Notice that what he said is not what I said.

 I have had virtually the same exchange with other people. I now realize
that this reaction is common because over the past 20 years we have
gradually been inoculated against hearing the truth about US recruitment of
Nazi war criminals. We have been fed fragments of accurate information mixed
with lies. We have been taught a trivialized version of what happened. This
is worse than not knowing anything at all because when I say, The US
ferreted out and reconstructed the Nazi war crimes apparatus which then
*became* US foreign intelligence and covert political operations, people
hear, They were working with some Nazis.

 In this series of articles I will show you that the picture you have been
shown of the relationship between US intelligence and Nazism after World War
II is deliberately off-focus. I will dissect a few texts so you can see how
you were lied to.

 The truth is much worse than you think. Indeed, it is probably much worse
than what I presently think because the more research I do, the worse it
looks.

 Let's start with the caller's statement, that US intelligence was working
with some Nazis.

 Why is this wrong? Because the phrase, working with, implies equality of
power. A slave owner does not work with his slaves.  A jailer does not
work with his prisoners.  And US intelligence officers do not work with
Nazis who lost the war and are wanted for mass murder.

 The Nazis recruited by US intelligence were wanted for the most heinous
crimes. Many were members of the SS, the Gestapo and the Nazi Leadership
Corps. The Nuremberg Tribunal, whose decisions were binding under
international law, defined these groups as parts of the worst criminal
conspiracy in history. The fact that a person had been a member subjected
that person to arrest.  [1]

 The people sought out for recruitment by US intelligence had been involved
in war crimes all over Europe, especially in the East. The US was obliged
under the Moscow Declaration to turn over these Nazis so they could be tried
in the countries where their crimes were committed. [2]

 People hunted for war crimes are in no position to bargain with those
supposedly hunting them. If the US employed these criminals, then they
were employees whose alternative was the hangman's noose. If US operatives
treated these Nazis super-well, even deferring to their 

[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] J Taylor's Gold Tech Stocks newsletter interviews Blanchard CEO Don Doyle

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8:10p ET Sunday, January 4, 2003

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

Once again GATA's great friend Jay Taylor has produced
what might well be considered a state paper in the gold
business -- a comprehensive interview with Blanchard 
Co. CEO Donald W. Doyle about Blanchard's increasingly 
successful antitrust lawsuit against J.P. Morgan Chase 
and Barrick Gold.

The interview, published in the December 15, 2003,
edition of J Taylor's Gold  Technology Stocks newsletter,
has been posted, with Taylor's generous permission, at 
GATA's Internet site here:

http://www.gata.org/latest.html

In the interview Doyle lucidly explains the Blanchard
suit, its relation to the similar lawsuit brought by Reg
Howe with GATA's support, and the case's importance
to all gold investors and all those who believe in free
markets.

GATA once again is deeply grateful to Taylor for his
devotion to the gold cause.

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
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[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] By 'addressing the consequences,' does Greenspan mean meddling in other markets?

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Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

Great minds probably soon will be dissecting the speeches
given Saturday at the conference of the American Economic
Association in San Diego by Federal Reserve Chairman
Alan Greenspan and Fed Governor Ben Bernanke. These
guys approach the truth in public only indirectly, but 
maybe the key remark Saturday was Greenspan's 
congratulating his central bank for having gotten away 
with running U.S. interest rates down so low for so long 
rather than pop the U.S. stock market bubble by raising 
rates, which might have popped the U.S. economy too:

There appears to be enough evidence, at least tentatively, 
to conclude that our strategy of addressing the bubble's 
consequences rather than the bubble itself has been 
successful.

Exactly how has the Fed been addressing the bubble's
consequences? Greenspan wasn't so clear about that,
but GATA might suggest that it has been accomplished
by surreptitious intervention in other markets, as by 
suppressing the gold price through central bank gold 
leasing and derivatives and suppressing long-term 
interest rates and certain commodity prices through 
derivatives. This might explain why Greenspan has opposed 
greater regulation of derivatives -- for such regulation 
and the publicity that would come with it might send the 
Fed back to influencing the economy by conventional 
monetary means.

In any case, Greenspan's remark about addressing
the consequences does seem to acknowledge more or 
less the central bank's intent to intervene 
unconventionally all over the place. See what you 
think. 

The full text of Greenspan's speech can be found here:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2004/20040103/default
.htm

The full text of Bernanke's speech can be found here:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2004/200401033/defaul
t.htm
 
And a very good Reuters story about the San Diego 
conference is appended.

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. 

* * * 

Greenspan Defends Stock Market Bubble Policy

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=businessNewsstoryID=4068885

By Kevin Krolicki 

SAN DIEGO, Jan. 3 (Reuters) -- U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman 
Alan Greenspan said on Saturday that policymakers have been 
proven correct in their decision not to try to prick a 1990s 
stock-market bubble that subsequently broke on its own. 

There appears to be enough evidence, at least tentatively, to 
conclude that our strategy of addressing the bubble's 
consequences rather than the bubble itself has been 
successful, Greenspan told the annual meeting of the 
American Economic Association in San Diego, Calif. 

Greenspan cited the exceptionally mild nature of the 
eight-month 2001 recession despite a series of shocks to 
the economy that included plunging stock prices, the Sept. 
11 attacks, corporate scandals and wars in Afghanistan 
and Iraq. 

In defending the Fed's tactics, Greenspan said if the Fed 
had stepped in to curb stock prices by raising rates, it might 
have done damage to the entire economy in the process. 
Stock prices collapsed in early 2000, wiping out trillions of 
dollars of investors' wealth. 

Now in his 17th year as chief of the U.S. central bank, 
Greenspan stressed that sound policymaking requires 

[CTRL] Conventional Wisdom Was Correct - Neocons and Bush Wrong

2004-01-05 Thread flw
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The untold remarkable story is how a small bunch of crazed ideologues were able
to
capture control of American Foreign Policy and bring the nation to war against
all the predictions of the Washington Establishment.

I guess it is the old story. Once you control the brain of the King, the Kingdom
will follow. So much for our 'constitutional republic'.
flw

washingtonpost.com
Foresight Was 20/20
By Jackson Diehl

Monday, January 5, 2004; Page A17

The Bush administration has been hammered for failing to anticipate or plan for
the many problems of postwar Iraq or to set aside the money to pay for them. Its
spokesmen insist, as they did before the war, that there was no way of knowing
in advance what challenges might come up and what it might take to meet them.

Yet, looking back at what Washington's foreign policy community expected from an
intervention in Iraq, it's striking how much of the trouble the U.S. mission now
faces was accurately and publicly predicted.

On my desk is a pile of more than a dozen studies and pieces of congressional
testimony on the likely conditions of postwar Iraq, prepared before the invasion
by think tanks of the left, center and right, by task forces of veteran
diplomats and area experts, and by freelancing academics.

The degree of consensus was remarkable: Iraq's reconstruction would be long and
costly, violence was likely and goodwill toward the United States probably
wouldn't last for long.

Who could have foreseen the Sunni insurgency that is slowly bleeding U.S.
forces? Well, for one, Amatzia Baram, a well-known expert on Iraq. In a paper
included in a survey published by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy
in September 2002, Baram predicted that U.S. soldiers would represent an ideal
target for underground Baath cells, al Qaeda terrorists, Shiite fundamentalists.
The United States, he concluded, would be on the horns of a dilemma. If it
evacuated its military forces soon after toppling Saddam, it would be unable to
ensure the new regime's stability. If U.S. troops remained in Iraqi cities,
however, they would be in harm's way.

Phoebe Marr, another leading specialist on Iraq, also warned of a nationalist
backlash. In six months or a year, she told the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee 10 days before the war, some opposition [will] surface. She added:
This presents us with a dilemma, and we will have to make tradeoffs. To get
real political and social change -- a constitutional regime, for example -- will
take time. But the longer we stay, the more we risk generating national
resentment and opposition.

The resistance might not now be so great, of course, if the occupation
administration had not dissolved the Iraqi army -- an error that several of the
pre-war studies warned against.

The army could serve as a guarantor of peace and stability, said one
commission chaired by former ambassadors Edward P. Djerejian and Frank G.
Wisner. The army ought to be downsized and revamped . . . but this ought to be
done gradually and without deliberately humiliating its members, counseled the
International Crisis Group.

Nor, it turns out, was it so hard to predict how much the war would cost or how
many troops might be needed. A Council on Foreign Relations task force report
cited a range of 75,000 to 200,000 U.S. soldiers; there are 130,000 there now.
Former State Department official James Dobbins stressed in a footnote that this
is not a commitment America alone can long sustain. As for costs, most of the
independent estimates fell between $100 billion and $200 billion; William D.
Nordhaus of Yale published a widely quoted study predicting direct costs of $150
billion to $740 billion over 10 years. So far, the Bush administration has
committed to spend more than $160 billion in the first two years.

It's not that these predictions weren't heard inside the administration; some
were echoed by the State Department's own postwar Iraq project. But the small
group of Pentagon civilians who monopolized control over the occupation chose to
ignore the expert opinion -- they were more swayed by Iraqi exiles, who insisted
the country could be rapidly transformed if only existing institutions, such as
the army, were completely dismantled. L. Paul Bremer, who took charge of the
Coalition Provisional Authority in June, confessed that until his appointment he
had been absorbed by his private-sector career and hadn't read most of the Iraq
studies.

It's not too late to listen to some of the advice. The most serious problems
foreseen by the experts have not yet materialized but may do so this year. One
is the drive of the Kurdish leadership to acquire more territory and autonomy
than the rest of Iraq can tolerate, which could touch off a civil war or foreign
intervention. Another is the danger that an Iraqi provisional government will be
created too quickly, causing it to be perceived as a U.S. puppet. Summing up the
Washington Institute's collection of papers, Patrick 

[CTRL] Slavery By Bankers And Debt - How We Can Break Free!

2004-01-05 Thread Mark S Bilk
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Resources for Community Currency Activists
http://www.communitycurrency.org/resources.html

Community Currencies
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/cc/

An Example: Guernsey's Monetary Experiment

Ardeshir Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
THIS is how we can break free of the clutches of the Mammonites, who
control our every move by constantly forcing us into greater and
greater debt. This is how we can break free of SLAVERY!

http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/Guernsey.html
[QUOTE]

GUERNSEY'S MONETARY EXPERIMENT
by Louis Even

Guernsey is a small island located in the English Channel. An
Anglo-Norman population. This island is located closer to the French
coast than to the English one.

At the close of the Napoleonic wars, the island, like several other
countries, was in pitiful condition, both physically and financially.

No money

Sea walls, roads, markets were needed. There was no manpower shortage.
But there was no money to pay for these works.

The money used by the people on the Island was the money from England,
the pound sterling. But, like after any war, the financiers were
calling back the money advanced to finance the slaughter, and the
pounds sterling were very scarce everywhere.

The Island had an autonomous government, the States of Guernsey. So
it had the rights inherent in all sovereign government, among other
rights, that of regulating the volume of money in circulation in the
country. But, no more than any other country, the States of Guernsey
had thought of exercising this sovereign prerogative.

An intelligent governor

The Island was especially in need of a new market house, and a
committee was set up to take care of it. The committee went to see the
governor to explain the situation to him :

We need a new Market, but we have no money to build it.

With what material are you going to build a market? asked the
governor.

With stone and wood.

Do you have it in the island?

Certainly, and in plenty.

Do you have workers?

Yes again. But it is money that is lacking.

Could not your parliament issue the money? asked the governor.

A new idea!

This idea had never occurred to the committeemen, who had never
analysed the money question. They knew where to get money when there
was some: but they never wondered where money begins or can begin.

The method of taxing when there was money was quite familiar. But the
method of infecting the money that is lacking, and of taxing only
after, was something new to our administrators.

ISSUES OF NATIONAL CURRENCY

An estimate of the cost was prepared and the States printed the money
required, which was paid to those who either worked on the project or
furnished materials for it.

As the new currency was paid out into circulation among the people,
exchanges were being expedited. The wage-earners went to the
shopkeepers, the shopkeepers went to the producers, the producers
bought enough to increase their production.

The currency was accepted everywhere. The government took measures
against inflation by decreeing hat money would be withdrawn by taxes,
so it does not accumulate. And, in fact, the money was retired on
schedule by taxes. But, as the increasing activity required a
corresponding volume of money, other issues were brought out by the
government for other works.

On October 12, 1822, the new Market House was completed and opened. Not
a penny of public debt on this public enterprise.

THE BANKERS INTERVENE

At the time of the original issue, there was no bank upon the Island.
This explains, without doubt, why there was no opposition to the issue
of State money.

But ten years after the first issue, the Island had become so
prosperous, thanks to the activity allowed by a sufficient volume of
money, that the banks of England had an eye on this island.

English bankers set up branches in the island and brought the
population around to orthodox rules. It was unsound. They said, to
let the government finance its enterprises without getting into debt.

The bankers did everything to stop further issues, to introduce the
system of interest-bearing loans to the government, and to withdraw
from the island the State money that had been paid out into
circulation.

There was some resistance, but the bankers won their point, with their
usual methods; and on October 9, 1836, the States of Guernsey had
abdicated their sovereign prerogative over the control of the volume of
money. From then on, the amount of the national currency decreased
gradually, and was replaced by money issued by private bankers in the
form of loans getting the island into debt.

Nevertheless, there is still about 40 000 pounds sterling ($200 000) of
national currency outstanding at this date in the Island. (According to
Gertrude M. Coogan in Money Creators, published in 1935).

WHY A FINANCIAL PROBLEM?

As we can see, with natural resources, workers, and a bit of common
sense, there is no financial problem.

But when shrewd exploiters want to regulate economic activities

[CTRL] evidence for MPD/DID and trauma/DID, sex slaves, Iraqi prisoners abused 

2004-01-05 Thread Smart News
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also has : 3 soldiers discharged for prisoner abuse - Detainees in Iraq were repeatedly kicked, military says 







scroll for news articles  

from Backlash_ology One brain, two selves. Reinders AA, Nijenhuis ER, Paans AM, Korf J, Willemsen AT, den Boer JA. Neuroimage 2003 Dec; 20(4):2119-25. "The anatomical localization of self-awareness and the brain mechanisms involved in consciousness were investigated by functional neuroimaging different emotional mental states of core consciousness in patients with Multiple Personality Disorder (i.e., Dissociative Identity Disorder [DID]). We demonstrate specific changes in localized brain activity consistent with their ability to generate at least two distinct mental states of self-awareness, each with its own access to autobiographical trauma-related memory. Our findings reveal the existence of different regional cerebral blood flow patterns for different senses of self." Department of Biological Psychiatry, Groningen University Hospital, The Netherlands

Developmental neurobiology of childhood stress and trauma. Teicher MH, Andersen SL, Polcari A, Anderson CM, Navalta CP. Psychiatr Clin North Am 2002 Jun; 25(2):397-426, vii-viii. "Severe early stress and maltreatment produces a cascade of events that have the potential to alter brain development. The first stage of the cascade involves the stress-induced programming of the glucocorticoid, noradrenergic, and vasopressin-oxytocin stress response systems to augment stress responses. These neurohumors then produce effects on neurogenesis, synaptic overproduction and pruning, and myelination during specific sensitive periods. Major consequences include reduced size of the mid-portions of the corpus callosum; attenuated development of the left neocortex, hippocampus, and amygdala along with abnormal frontotemporal electrical activity; and reduced functional activity of the cerebellar vermis. These alterations, in turn, provide the neurobiological framework through which early abuse increases the risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, symptoms of attention-deficit/hyperactivity, borderline personality disorder, dissociative identity disorder, and substance abuse." Department of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, 25 Shattuck Street, Boston, MA 02115, USA. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

from L Moss Sharman - Setting Precedent - Jeff Rud Times Colonist 1/4/04 "During the next few months, 18 suspected members of the Serbian Mafia will go on trial in Sarajevo for allegedly trafficking in human sex slaves  forcing young girls from countries such as Moldavia, Ukraine and Hungary into service in the brothels and nightclubs of Bosnia." http://www.canada.com/victoria

http://msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3878877p1=0
3 soldiers discharged for prisoner abuse - Detainees in Iraq were repeatedly kicked, miitary says The Associated Press 1/5/04 
KUWAIT CITY - The U.S. Army discharged three soldiers for abusing prisoners at a detention center in Iraq, a U.S. military spokesman said Monday. Three soldiers, all from Pennsylvania, were scheduled to face court martials this month but opted instead to submit to a nonjudicial hearing, in which their conduct was judged by a commander without a jury, Lt. Col. Vic Harris said. Brig. Gen. Ennis Whitehead III, the acting commander of the 143d Transportation Command, found the three soldiers had maltreated prisoners at Camp Bucca, southern Iraq, on May 12. He demoted two of the soldiers and ordered that all three forfeit their salaries for two months. All three were also discharged. The general found that Master Sgt. Lisa Marie Girman, 35, of Hazelton, Pa. knocked a prisoner to the ground, "repeatedly kicking him in the groin, abdomen, and head, and encouraging her subordinate soldiers to do the same," Harris said. Girman received an "other-than-honorable conditions" discharge. 
Staff Sgt. Scott A. McKenzie, 38, of Clearfield, Pa., was found to have dragged a prisoner by his shoulders and then to have held his legs apart "and encouraging others to kick him in the groin while other U.S. soldiers kicked him in the abdomen and head," Harris said. McKenzie was also found to have thrown the detainee face-down to the ground and have stepped on "his previously injured arm."

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[CTRL] Who Was that Fat Lady?

2004-01-05 Thread Bill
Title: ConspiracyPenPal Newsletter
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Who Was that Fat 
Lady? 
by Edgar J. 
Steele
January 5, 
2004
"America is at 
that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early 
to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe, "101 Things to 
Do 'Til the Revolution" (1999)
"They have treated me and 
others like me with utter contempt. They have confiscated our property and put 
people in maximum-security prisons over ownership of fender washers, claiming 
they were unassembled silencer parts. ... They have shot a man's wife in the 
head because his gun's buttstock was too short. ... They burned 90 people alive 
over a disputed two hundred dollar tax." -- John Ross, 
"Unintended Consequences" (1996)
"It ain't over until the 
fat lady sings." -- Old Southern American saying (concerning 
church service)
"It ain't over 'til it's 
over." -- Yogi Berra (1973)
It's over.
The fat lady has 
sung.
Elvis has left the 
building.
The great American experiment finally 
fizzled on December 1, 2003, when the US Supreme Court declined to hear an 
appeal from a 9th Federal Circuit decision which gutted the Second 
Amendment. It was a nice run - over two hundred years - but all good 
things must end...I guess...at least, that's what they say.
We all know how saying nothing sometimes 
can be among the most profound of statements. Ask any 
husband.
Nowhere is silence so profound as when 
offered by the Supremes. And, never has their silence been so overwhelming 
as on December 1, 2003. That's when the US Supreme Court issued its 
ruling, refusing to hear an appeal in the case of Silveira vs. Lockyer. 
That made Silveira the law of the land, you see.
Here's the background, briefly: 
California's legislatively-crafted "assault weapon" ban was stronger than the 
national ban. Both bans essentially outlaw any rifle that looks like it 
means business, regardless of capability -- I kid you not, cosmetics really is 
the upshot of these bans.
Silveira sued in a losing attempt to 
overturn the more-stringent California ban. Silveira unsuccessfully 
appealed up through the legal system to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. 
Next stop: US Supreme Court, which now has "denied cert," which 
means it allows the ruling below to stand.
Here's the real kicker, though. 
Silveira doesn't just nationalize the California definition of assault 
weapon. In Silveira, the 9th Circuit Court made the following 
pronouncement: there is no individual right to bear arms contained within 
the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.
That means that no American citizen, since 
December 1, 2003, has a fundamental right to possess a firearm.
You heard me right. You no longer 
have a right to own a gun.
Mind you, here is the Second Amendment, in 
full: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a 
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be 
infringed."
Not just some people, but the 
people. You and me, in other words.
And it's a fundamental (God-given) right, 
therefore the government can't mess around with it...ever. 
"Unalienable rights," was how the Declaration of Independence described these 
fundamental rights. Unless we let it. We just did, by tolerating 
this sort of behavior from our government.
Mind you, the Ninth Circuit Court's judges 
didn't just come out and say you don't have a right to a gun. They did it 
in legalese: they merely "affirmed" a prior decision of their own, in 
which they said as much.
So, the US Supremes affirm the ruling of a 
lesser court (by silence, thereby making it the law of America, nonetheless, 
because contrary rulings from other jurisdictions will not be tolerated), which 
affirmed its own prior ruling, which says you have no right to own a 
gun.
Like thieves in the night, with stealth, 
the black-robed dictators steal your rights.
All this silence and misdirection clearly 
tells you how they feel about what it is they are doing. Yet, they go 
ahead and do it anyway. And the average American is too stupefied to know 
any better...or, worse, care. No, it does get worse: many who 
care and understand actually applaud this result.
The ground now has been set for blanket 
bans and confiscation. What? Cold, dead fingers, you say? 
Yeah, sure. When martial law is declared, hardly anybody will 
resist.
What? Martial law never will be 
declared in America, you say? Yeah, right. Just wait until the next 
Reichstag Fireerterrorist event which occurs on US soil. The smart 
money is betting that happens within a month or two, by the way.
Some will ask, "What's the big deal, 
anyway? Guns are no match for government munitions these days, 
anyway. Guns really are good only for hunting. Who needs hunting, 
with the Safeway just down the street?"
Here's my response, which echoes that of 
America's founding fathers: The Second Amendment's guarantee of the 
individual's right to bear arms actually comprises the teeth of the 
Constitution; what enables us to 

[CTRL] Suddenly Rush Limbaugh Is Concerned About Conspiracies

2004-01-05 Thread iNFoWaRZ
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Suddenly Rush Limbaugh Is Concerned About Conspiracies 
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/chuckwagon.html

By Chuck Baldwin January 6, 2004

Nationally syndicated radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh has seen the light, or maybe 
felt the heat. In either case, he suddenly realizes the consequences of living in a 
society where government agencies have unfettered access to personal information and 
where individuals have little or no constitutional protections. Welcome back, Rush.

For years, Limbaugh has impugned, denigrated, and chastised any caller who dared bring 
up the subject of federal encroachment on individual liberties, calling them 
conspiracy nuts, or worse. He has had little patience for anyone who wanted to 
suggest that both political parties are trampling the U.S. Constitution and helping to 
create a gargantuan federal oligarchy at the expense of The Bill of Rights and 
personal freedoms. Suddenly, however, he is screaming that he is the victim of a 
(eeh-gads) conspiracy.

The issue at hand is a criminal investigation into whether Limbaugh, who has been 
addicted to pain killers for years, violated the law by doctor shopping in an 
illegal bid to obtain a continuing supply of powerful drugs such as OxyContin, 
Hydrocodone, and Xanax. To obtain the needed evidence, authorities seized, by court 
order, Limbaugh's medical records. Rush is furious! He maintains his medical records 
should remain private and that he is being singled out because he is a popular 
conservative.

Rush's inconsistency is massive! For years, his beloved Republican Party has 
collaborated with liberal Democrats to eviscerate The Bill of Rights, and he has fully 
supported them! Patriot Acts I  II, the SS-style Department of Homeland Security and 
dozens of other measures have come into reality with Rush Limbaugh's complete and 
enthusiastic support!

As a result of Limbaugh's (and other popular conservatives) endorsement, personal 
freedoms affirmed under The Bill of Rights have all but vanquished. Virtually any 
American citizen, not just those targeted by a left wing conspiracy, is capable of 
being victimized by this new federal monstrosity.

So, where was Rush Limbaugh when this New World Order (George Bush, Sr.) was being 
constructed? He was either ignoring it or demonizing those who opposed it.

If Rush was not concerned about people losing their 4th Amendment rights under The 
Patriot Act, why should people now be concerned about the loss of privacy regarding 
his medical records? What's good for the common goose should be good for the 
celebrated gander.

The fact is, no American citizen's medical records are private anymore. Neither are 
our financial records, our phone calls, our emails, or our travel records. The feds 
have absolute and total access to virtually every piece of information about every 
single one of us!

Furthermore, in the grand scheme of things, the loss of free speech (via phone taps, 
etc.) is far more egregious than Limbaugh's medical records. Historically, next to the 
preciousness of life, the freedom of speech has been held in the highest esteem by the 
laws of this country. No more!

Today, America's federal laws more resemble those of Stalin's, Hitler's, or Mao's than 
they do those put in place by Washington, Jefferson, and Madison. And, until now, Rush 
Limbaugh has not objected.

Suddenly, it's different! Now, Rush Limbaugh believes in conspiracies and is opposed 
to granting the federal government (or even state government, as in his case) access 
to personal information. It's amazing how one can change his tune when it's his own 
bacon in the fire!

Unfortunately, it appears that the Limbaugh saga is a microcosm of America as a whole. 
It seems that until the American people are personally affected by the tyrannical laws 
that we allow our politicians (including Republicans) to pass, we seem oblivious to 
their danger.

However, we should all realize that once we allow tyranny to take root, nothing short 
of revolution will stop it, and that what happened to Rush Limbaugh (and worse) will 
happen to every one of us. Therefore, how long will conservatives continue to 
support a Republican Party that facilitates such tyranny? Until they join Rush in 
jail, I suppose.

© Chuck Baldwin

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[CTRL] Bush Sells Out US Workers To Lowest Bidder

2004-01-05 Thread William Shannon
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ats-ap_top11jan05,1,5083321.story?coll=chi-news-hed



Bush to Propose Immigration Law Changes




By TERENCE HUNT
AP White House Correspondent
Published January 5, 2004, 8:15 PM CST

WASHINGTON -- President Bush will propose immigration law changes to allow workers from Mexico to enter the United States if they have jobs waiting for them, officials said Monday in previewing an election-year measure intended to bolster support among Hispanic voters. 

Advocacy groups were invited to the White House on Wednesday to hear details of the program. 

"The president has long talked about the importance of having an immigration policy that matches willing workers with willing employers," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "It's important for America to be a welcoming society. We are a nation of immigrants, and we're better for it." 

Immigration advocacy groups characterized Bush's move as a politically drawn effort to curry favor with Hispanics, a potent political force, particularly in key states like Florida, California and border states. Two sources speaking on condition of anonymity said Bush would outline a set of principles rather than a detailed piece of legislation, and that the policy statement would draw on bills already pending in Congress. 

"It looks very much like a political effort and what they do with these `principles' is going to determine whether this is really a policy initiative or not," said Cecilia Munoz, vice president for policy at the National Council of La Raza. "The Latino community knows the difference between political posturing and a real policy debate." 

She said the initiative was crafted by Bush's political strategist, Karl Rove, and that the immigration policy community was excluded from the deliberations. 

"We know of no one in the immigration policy community, business groups or Latino groups who has been consulted," she said. 

Rove, with Bush at a campaign fund-raiser in St. Louis, deflected questions about Bush's proposal. 

"Stay tuned," he told a reporter. 

Bush's planned announcement comes five days before he meets in Mexico with President Vicente Fox on the sidelines of the Summit of the Americas, a meeting of the hemisphere's leaders. 

Mexico is seeking a measure of legality for the approximately 4 million undocumented Mexicans living in the United States and wants a legal way for others to work in the country in the future. 

Immigration talks between the United States and Mexico stalled when the Sept. 11 terror attacks prompted the United States to tighten border restrictions, and were set back further by Mexico's refusal to support the Iraq war. Tensions also arose over Bush's refusal to stop the execution of a Mexican national in Texas. 

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, at a town hall meeting in Miami last month, hinted at a change of policy when he said the United States needs to "come to grips" with an estimated 8 million to 12 million illegal immigrants and "determine how you can legalize their presence." He also said that the immigrants should not be rewarded citizenship. 

Bush, at a year-end news conference in January, said he was preparing to send Congress ideas about an "immigration policy that helps match any willing employer with any willing employee." He said he is "firmly against blanket amnesty," or a mass legalization. 

Two guest-worker bills have been proposed in Congress: One from Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain and two of McCain's Republican House colleagues, Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake; and a second from Sen. John Cornyn. 

Cornyn, a Texas Republican, has proposed that illegal immigrants could volunteer to work for up to three years if a job exists for them. When they've worked three years, they could apply for legal permanent residence, but must return to their country of origin to do so. 

Workers illegally in the United States would have 12 months to apply to the program and after that would no longer be eligible. Those accepted would be given a "blue card," allowing them to travel outside the United States. 

The Cornyn proposal would give guest workers the same rights granted Americans under Labor Department laws and would set up accounts for workers in which employers would deposit money drawn from workers' wages in lieu of withdrawing the money for Social Security or Medicare. 

The money would be held by the Treasury and would be refunded to the worker when the worker returns to his or her home country.   


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[CTRL] Credibility And Virginity

2004-01-05 Thread William Shannon
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http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20040105/index.php



Credibility And Virginity
by Charlie Reese

What President Bush does not understand (don't worry, I'm not going through the whole list) is that credibility, like virginity, cannot be recovered once it's lost.

He thinks it's unimportant that he took the country to war based on the false claim that Saddam Hussein had amassed large amounts of chemical and biological weapons and was on the verge of handing them to terrorists. His attitude is: "Hey, what's your problem? We got rid of a bad guy."

Well, the problem is that now any American who believes anything the Bush administration says without a ton of proof to back it up is a fool. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Like a lot of old sayings, it's a basic truth. Do you really think an administration that would lie about reasons for going to war won't lie to further its re-election efforts or to cover up other blunders?

I know that for a lot of young people, Watergate and the Vietnam War are now "that real old stuff," as a baby sitter once described any history that had occurred prior to her puberty. But for many Americans of that generation, it was their first exposure to wholesale lying by the federal government. My own first exposure had occurred in the 1950s, when I caught the U.S. Department of Agriculture in a pack of lies about imported fire ants.

So, do you think the Bush administration is telling you the truth about mad cow disease? I don't. The Bush administration says that the discovery of one case of mad cow disease poses a minimal risk. Well, what exactly is the minimal risk of a disease that is 100 percent fatal and incurable? "Minimal," when it comes out of the mouth of a bureaucrat, is a code word for acceptable. In other words, a few dead Americans are an acceptable price to pay for preserving a multibillion-dollar beef industry. That's fine, unless you happen to be one of the dead ones.

If the risk is so minimal, why are they trying to recall all of the meat? They have told us that the most dangerous parts of a sick cow are the spinal cord and brain, and that these were "left out of the food chain." Do you think slaughterhouses debone cows with surgical precision? That'll be the day.

The human form of mad cow disease is called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, or CJD. Did you know there are about 300 cases of CJD in the United States every year? Did you know that clusters of CJD have occurred in: Pennsylvania in 1993, Florida in 1994, Oregon in 1996, New York in 1999-2000, and Texas in 1996? These cases were all classified as "sporadic," which sounds to me much more like semantics than science. Usually, clusters of disease are indicative of an environmental factor.

Laura Manuelidis, section chief of surgery in the neuropathology department at Yale University, conducted a 1989 study that found that 13 percent of people who died after being diagnosed as having Alzheimer's disease actually had died of CJD.

"Now people are beginning to realize that because something looks like sporadic CJD, they can't necessarily conclude that it's not linked to mad cow disease," she told United Press International.

There is no good tracking system for CJD, and obviously no good tracking system for cows with mad cow disease. Think about this: If you're a cattleman and you find a sick cow you suspect of mad cow disease, what is in your selfish interest: to report it and lose your whole herd or shoot it and bury it? If you're a bureaucrat in the USDA, what is in your self-interest: to tell the truth and have the agribusiness lobbyists howling for your scalp or to follow the administration line? I'm not saying that altruists don't exist, but they are rare birds in the human flock.

As of now, hamburger I don't grind myself and all other processed meats are off the menu. I would advise you to take the same steps.

Otherwise, one day, you might hear the president say: "Hey, what's your problem? We preserved the beef industry." There are some things I aspire to, but being part of the acceptable price for achieving somebody else's political and economic goals is not one of them.




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