[CTRL] Iraqi Police Shoot at Reporters - Sadr Welcomes Media
-Caveat Lector- telegraph.co.uk | Police fire at reporters as US tanks roll up to shrine By Adrian Blomfield in Najaf (Filed: 16/08/2004) The bullet that whistled through the lobby of the Sea Hotel in Najaf yesterday, embedding shards of glass into a foreign reporter's cheek before lodging itself in an air-conditioning unit, carried an unmistakeable message: "Get out." Journalists working in Iraq have long lived with the danger of being targeted by insurgents fighting US-led forces and their Iraqi allies. But in Najaf the roles have been abruptly reversed. Now the Iraqi police threaten journalists, and the insurgents welcome them. As US marines and Iraqi security forces resumed their operation to evict insurgents from the Shrine of Ali, the holiest place in Shia Islam, the Iraqi interim government decided yesterday to treat the media as the enemy. The authoritarian stance towards the press seems redolent of the days of Saddam Hussein. The Iraqi government has closed the offices of al-Jazeera, the most important Arab satellite station, accusing it of inciting the insurgents. In Najaf journalists were summoned yesterday morning by the city's police chief, Ghalab al-Jazeera. It was said that he wanted to parade some captured members of Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi army, who have launched their second uprising in four months. Instead the police chief delivered a blunt warning: journalists had two hours to leave Najaf or face arrest. Mr Jazeera's official explanation for the decision was that police guarding the hotel had found 550 lbof dynamite in a car nearby. That seems unlikely. The police rarely venture out of their stations and the street outside the hotel is almost always deserted. Mr Jazeera's expressions of concern were quickly followed by a thinly veiled attack on the foreign press. "We know you are neutral journalists despite the fact you did not report the bad actions by Sadr's people when they beheaded and burned innocent people and the Iraqi police," he said. For good measure, Mr Jazeera also threatened to arrest Iraqi drivers and translators working for the press corps if we did not comply. The 30-odd journalists staying at the Sea Hotel decided to stay in Najaf. Shortly after the deadline expired, the first bullets struck the building. But the sniper was almost certainly an Iraqi policeman, given that the Mahdi army fighters were more than two miles away. Then armed police raided the hotel and tried to arrest the journalists, before imposing a new two-hour deadline to leave the city. A deputation of journalists was denied an audience with Najaf's governor, Adnan al-Zurufi. The policeman outside his office was brusque. "If you do not leave by the deadline we will shoot you," he said. That was enough for all but a handful of British and American journalists who hunkered down in the hotel as the deadline expired. As night fell, shots were fired at the roof of the hotel, from where reporters file their stories. Sadr's fighters are more press-friendly. The cleric's aides frequently drop into the hotel to brief journalists, or take us to the shrine to meet Sadr or his spokesmen. In Basra, Sadr's lieutenants ordered the release of James Brandon, a reporter taken hostage by Mahdi army renegades on Thursday night. It was not hard to see why Iraq's interim government might prefer journalists out of the city. On Saturday, negotiations with Mahdi army militants holed up in the Imam Ali shrine broke down and a ceasefire was called off. The options facing the US marines and their Iraqi allies are grim. An offensive on the shrine, burial place of Imam Ali, cousin of the prophet Mohammed and inspiration for Shia Islam, is likely to push moderate Shias over to Sadr's side. America would prefer the fledgling Iraqi security services to carry out the attack, but they are poorly equipped and trained and unlikely to succeed. Gunfire sounded in Najaf all yesterday. By nightfall US tanks had moved to within a few hundred yards of the shrine. © Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004. Terms & Conditions of reading. Commercial information. Privacy and Cookie Policy. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive
[CTRL] http://mmm.milleganstews.com/MAR-4-04_SF/millegan-web3a.mov
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Re: [CTRL] Millegan's Attacks On Eastman, Webfairy, etc. -was- "In Plane Site" ...
-Caveat Lector- Ya know, what Mark, didn't you posit some BS about piano wires and the light poles? I dunna really care what the fuck you say, nor do I care to "hang" with you. Your logic is innane. And you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. About the Quig forged emails, about Flight 77, or how the email list worked at the time. And you statement "all 9-11 researchers agree that the 757 did not crash into the Pentagon," is again bullshit. What you have is a bunch of wankers, holocaust deniers, oppers and ignorant dweebs. Peace, Om K In a message dated 8/15/04 2:36:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 Kris, this attack from you (below), like your similar ones against Dick Eastman, contains only unsupported smears with no data to back them up, except for your claim that the people you're attacking created forged e-mails from Brian Quig. But that claim is based on the fact some people addressed in those e-mails say they didn't receive them, or at least can't find them. This is _not_ valid evidence, even if the recipients in question actually didn't get copies of the messages, because e-mail sending and receiving software is quite fallible: I administer two mailing lists (Kris is on one of mine, and I am on two of his), and I have seen dozens of instances in which messages are bounced by mail servers because of subtle errors in their configuration with respect to certain recipients; this occurs only intermittently -- most messages to those recipients get through. One cause of this can be erroneous MX (mail exchanger) records for these recipients. If the sending server can't reach the receiving server listed in a primary MX record (which happens intermittently due to high loads), it may try to send to a server listed in a secondary MX record which may be out of date, and that server may bounce the mail because the recipient is no longer known to it. This situation has been made much worse during the last ten years or so as mail servers have been programmed to reject "relaying" -- reception of mail destined for recipients on other servers -- as a means of cutting down on spam. Also, mail client software, especially the programs from Microsoft, sometimes lose messages that they've received. I've heard complaints from Windows users about this (I use the much more reliable -- and free -- Linux system). And certainly it's very easy to hit the wrong key and accidently delete an e-mail without realizing it. Finally, many messages are mistakenly and silently deleted as spam by people's mail servers and never sent to them. The same messages may reach other recipients whose servers employ different spam rejection programs. Kris, I apologize for not giving you this information before, although we've had a number of phone conversations. I've only gradually become aware of it, correlated it, and learned the technical facts behind it. So your accusations of mail forgery may have resulted from your not having this knowledge. You should then rethink all the conclusions you've drawn from your belief that these "forgeries" occurred. As to your other disagreements with the people you're attacking, I haven't followed your disputes with Webfairy, but I have read many of your attacks against Eastman. These come down to your uncritical acceptance of various witness reports that the 757 hit the Pentagon, and your refusal to deal with the physical evidence. Witnesses can be mistaken; movies frequently portray airplane and helicopter crashes by showing film of the aircraft flying toward a building and then film of a large petroleum explosion; actually there was no crash. This is very likely what was arranged for the Pentagon attack; it's exactly like a stage magician "vanishing" in a puff of smoke. It would certainly fool witnesses, who almost always think they've seen what they expected to see. In fact, when some of the witness accounts that claim the plane hit are examined carefully, they contain details that would have occurred far too rapidly -- in a few thousandths of a second -- for the human eye or brain to perceive; this is proof that these witnesses either imagined these details, or are intentionally lying. Witnesses can easily be deceived, and false witnesses can easily be planted, but the physical evidence against the government story tells the truth. The original hole in the building was far too small; there was no evidence of the impact of the huge engines or the tail fin; there was no fire, and very little debris, on the lawn despite the plane allegedly hitting the wall at nearly a 45 degree angle which would have caused much of it to end up outside; the plastic nosecone (designed to pass radar waves to and from the radar antenna inside it) could not possibly have penetrated the many layers of walls without shattering -- it must have been planted; and a rusted part -- alleged
[CTRL] Millegan's Attacks On Eastman, Webfairy, etc. -was- "In Plane Site" ...
-Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 Kris, this attack from you (below), like your similar ones against Dick Eastman, contains only unsupported smears with no data to back them up, except for your claim that the people you're attacking created forged e-mails from Brian Quig. But that claim is based on the fact some people addressed in those e-mails say they didn't receive them, or at least can't find them. This is _not_ valid evidence, even if the recipients in question actually didn't get copies of the messages, because e-mail sending and receiving software is quite fallible: I administer two mailing lists (Kris is on one of mine, and I am on two of his), and I have seen dozens of instances in which messages are bounced by mail servers because of subtle errors in their configuration with respect to certain recipients; this occurs only intermittently -- most messages to those recipients get through. One cause of this can be erroneous MX (mail exchanger) records for these recipients. If the sending server can't reach the receiving server listed in a primary MX record (which happens intermittently due to high loads), it may try to send to a server listed in a secondary MX record which may be out of date, and that server may bounce the mail because the recipient is no longer known to it. This situation has been made much worse during the last ten years or so as mail servers have been programmed to reject "relaying" -- reception of mail destined for recipients on other servers -- as a means of cutting down on spam. Also, mail client software, especially the programs from Microsoft, sometimes lose messages that they've received. I've heard complaints from Windows users about this (I use the much more reliable -- and free -- Linux system). And certainly it's very easy to hit the wrong key and accidently delete an e-mail without realizing it. Finally, many messages are mistakenly and silently deleted as spam by people's mail servers and never sent to them. The same messages may reach other recipients whose servers employ different spam rejection programs. Kris, I apologize for not giving you this information before, although we've had a number of phone conversations. I've only gradually become aware of it, correlated it, and learned the technical facts behind it. So your accusations of mail forgery may have resulted from your not having this knowledge. You should then rethink all the conclusions you've drawn from your belief that these "forgeries" occurred. As to your other disagreements with the people you're attacking, I haven't followed your disputes with Webfairy, but I have read many of your attacks against Eastman. These come down to your uncritical acceptance of various witness reports that the 757 hit the Pentagon, and your refusal to deal with the physical evidence. Witnesses can be mistaken; movies frequently portray airplane and helicopter crashes by showing film of the aircraft flying toward a building and then film of a large petroleum explosion; actually there was no crash. This is very likely what was arranged for the Pentagon attack; it's exactly like a stage magician "vanishing" in a puff of smoke. It would certainly fool witnesses, who almost always think they've seen what they expected to see. In fact, when some of the witness accounts that claim the plane hit are examined carefully, they contain details that would have occurred far too rapidly -- in a few thousandths of a second -- for the human eye or brain to perceive; this is proof that these witnesses either imagined these details, or are intentionally lying. Witnesses can easily be deceived, and false witnesses can easily be planted, but the physical evidence against the government story tells the truth. The original hole in the building was far too small; there was no evidence of the impact of the huge engines or the tail fin; there was no fire, and very little debris, on the lawn despite the plane allegedly hitting the wall at nearly a 45 degree angle which would have caused much of it to end up outside; the plastic nosecone (designed to pass radar waves to and from the radar antenna inside it) could not possibly have penetrated the many layers of walls without shattering -- it must have been planted; and a rusted part -- allegedly from an aircraft that was kept polished to a mirror finish -- was photographed inside the building, and so must also have been planted. All this is why almost all 9-11 researchers agree that the 757 did not crash into the Pentagon, but rather passed over it, and, possibly after loitering over the ocean for a while, landed at Reagan airport or some other during the very chaotic period when all planes were being forced to land immediately, wherever they were. In the last year or so there have been many accusations from some 9-11 researchers that various people who disagree with them are fascist agents. I'm sure this isn't tru
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-Drugs_TheDarkSide] OWNERSHIP OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE (CHARTS)
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- > Richard Niemela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "Richard Niemela" > To: > Subject: Fw: OWNERSHIP OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE > (CHARTS) > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:10:56 -0400 > OWNERSHIP OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE > http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml > > Most Americans, if they know anything at all about > the Federal Reserve, believe it is an agency of the > United States Government. This article charts the > true nature of the "National Bank." Chart 1 > Source: ** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of > Corporate and Banking Influence ** - - Published > 1976 > Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the > Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London > banking houses which ultimately control the Federal > Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank > stock and their subsidiary firms in New York. The > two principal Rothschild representatives in New > York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn, Loeb & Co. were > the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference > at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted, who > directed the subsequent successful campaign to have > the plan enacted into law by Congress, and who > purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the > Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These > firms had their principal officers appointed to the > Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal > Advisory Council in 1914. In 1914 a few families > (blood or business related) owning controlling stock > in existing banks (such as in New York City) caused > those banks to purchase controlling shares in the > Federal Reserve regional banks. > Examination of the charts and text in the House > Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and > the current stockholders list of the 12 regional > Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control. > > N.M. Rothschild , > London - Bank of England > __ > | > || > J. Henry Schroder > | Banking | > Corp.| > | > Brown, Shipley - Morgan Grenfell - Lazard - | >& Company& Company > Brothers || > | | | > |---| | > || || > | | | Alex Brown - Brown Bros. - > Lord Mantagu - Morgan et Cie -- Lazard ---| & Son > | Harriman Norman |Paris > Bros || |/ > | > N.Y. || | | > | | || > Governor, Bank | J.P. Morgan Co -- Lazard ---| > |of England/ N.Y. Morgan > Freres||1924-1938/ > Guaranty Co. Paris || > /Morgan Stanley Co. | / > | / | > \Schroder Bank| > /| Hamburg/Berlin > | / Drexel & Company > /|/ > Philadelphia/| > / /| >/ Lord > Airlie| / >/|/ > M. M. Warburg Chmn J. Henry Schroder > || Hamburg - marr. > Virginia > F. Ryan|| | > grand-daughter of Otto| > | |Kahn of Kuhn Loeb > Co.|| | > || |Lehman Brothers N.Y > --
[CTRL] Fw: [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] Forensic Economics of Stanley Park Tribe
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Stan Park To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:38 AM Subject: [CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY] Forensic Economics of Stanley Park Tribe http://www.davidhawkinsresearch.com Your web site says you do forensic economics investigations. Can you tell us what is happening when members of my tribe here in the rain forest of deepest, darkest Vancouver go missing? Go to http://www.ncwcnbes.net/htmdocument/principales/numberwelfare_e.htm From 1993 to 2003 the annual stats show rapid downward fall in all provinces. From 3 million to 1.7 million. What happened to over 1,000,000 people? Most are missing persons but missing person stats of police only show about 10,000 mps for Canada. They are missing because exit surveys of MHR in BC only find about 1/3 of the welfare exiters. What happened to the 2/3? Government makes a big propaganda piece out of the success stories of the 1/3, meaning those who are employed. If the 2/3 are employed in BC or elsewhere in Canada they are easy to trace. Government would trace them for propaganda reasons. Did they leave BC for a more welfare-friendly province? No because all provinces show this fall in numbers. Are they on the street? No because there are less than 100,000 homeless in all of Canada. How about this forensic economic theory? The useless eaters of the Stanley Park Tribe have few or no family ties or work ties or community ties. So nobody will report them to police as missing persons. Over 5 years organized crime in Vancouver killed 70 people, mostly their own but in any case they place no value on human life except $ value. And the $ cost of a hit is low. So the political establishment wants to get rid of the Stanley Park Tribe and hires OC with a fast yacht like police use for coast guard. OCs take the Stanley Parkers on a fast ride 10 miles out to sea. They are killed, frozen and cut up by chain saw. Then fed into a mulcher-shredder. Then fed to the fishes. No habeus corpus. No reported missing person. Vancouver Sun headlines last December when the BC Legislature was raided by police: 27 unanswered questions except we all know it was an OC connection. Still no answers to the 27 Qs. UNPRECEDENTED raid. And we'll go into Election 2005 with few or no answers. Police and media kept saying elected politicians are not susepected. STUPID. If Premier Campbell had been completely trustworthy, all they had to do was ask him to quietly let them enter the offices to get the files. Is OC running this government? Is it liquidating the SP Tribe useless eaters? Chief Stan Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CITIZENS_ASSEMBLY/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Biblio of clergy abuse, Detroit, 26 priest sex cases, Najaf Officials Quit
-Caveat Lector- scroll Annotated Bibliography of Clergy Sexual Abuse James S. Evinger Rochester, New York 7/30/04 8th revision "The phenomenon of sexual abuse as committed by persons in fiduciary relationships is widespread among helping professions. Those who perpetrate these violations are not confined to any nation. This bibliography is oriented to several specific contexts in which this phenomenon occurs. The first context is the religious community, particularly Christian churches, and particularly in the U.S. This is the setting of occurrence that I best know and understand. The second context for the phenomenon is the professional role of clergy, a religious vocation and culture of which I am a part. While the preponderance of sources cited in this bibliography reflects those two settings, the intent is to be as comprehensive as possible about sexual boundary violations within the religious community." http://www.advocateweb.org/hope/bibliographyje/default.asp Detroit Catholic diocese to handle 26 priest sex cases - Vatican directs how to proceed with 13 priests; other 13 outcomes still uncertain By Kim Kozlowski / The Detroit News 8/13/04 "The Archdiocese of Detroit will resolve 13 of 26 cases of priests accused of child sex abuse in the following manner. Among them are four priests who will face a canonical trial that will be decided by three fellow priests from outside the archdiocese." http://www.detnews.com/2004/religion/0408/13/d01-241672.htm http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/081404X.shtml Najaf Officials Quit in Protest Aljazeera.Net Friday 13 August 2004 Several Iraqi officials working within the interim government have resigned in protest of the US-led assault on Najaf and Kut. Sixteen of Najaf's 30-member provincial council resigned in protest at the US-led assault on the Najaf as fighting between the al-Mahdi Army loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr and US occupation forces entered its eighth day. "We have decided to resign due to what has befallen Najaf and all of Iraq from the hasty US invasion and bombardment of Najaf," the council said in a statement to the press. The council's resignations came several hours after the deputy governor of Najaf resigned in protest against the US offensive on the city. "I resign from my post denouncing all the US terrorist operations that they are doing against this holy city," Jawdat Kadam Najim al-Quraishi, deputy governor of Najaf, said on Thursday morning www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Goss: the mystery man
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- From: Rocky Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:23 am Subject: O'Saba, what do you make of this? snip--> Mysterious blood infection During a 1970 trip to Washington from his home in London, Goss collapsed in his hotel room, suffering from a mysterious blood infection that affected his heart and kidneys. Goss cannot explain the sudden illness but is convinced he wasn't poisoned. He was so weak during his recovery that the CIA refused to send him back into the field, so he retired. http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/34301.php ~ Goss: the mystery man Mannie Garcia / Reuters Rep. Porter J. Goss has disclosed precious few details of his CIA employment from roughly 1960 to 1971. Nominated to head the CIA, GOP congressman keeps details about spy past close to the vest By Ted Bridis THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON - The Republican congressman selected by President Bush to run the CIA worked as an agency officer overseeing spies in Central America and Western Europe during the 1960s until a mysterious infection forced his retirement from the cloak-and-dagger world. Three decades later, the White House wants Rep. Porter J. Goss of Florida, who was chairman of the House panel that oversees CIA operations, to become the top U.S. espionage chief amid plans to overhaul America's intelligence community. Goss, who previously said he planned to leave Congress after 16 years, introduced legislation this summer that would broaden the CIA director's authority over an estimated $40 billion in espionage spending and give the director greater control over all U.S. spy operations. Goss had been expected to preside at a Wednesday oversight hearing on intelligence overhaul proposals, but he told the House speaker in a letter that he would immediately relinquish his position as chairman pending Senate confirmation. Close-mouthed about past Goss, 65, a multimillionaire who rose in local and then national politics after his recovery from illness, has never disclosed details of his CIA employment from roughly 1960 to 1971 except to reveal that he worked in Haiti, the Dominican Republic and Mexico - all tumultuous countries during that decade of the Cold War. The United States invaded the Dominican Republic in 1965, Haiti at the time was under the rule of the tyrannical François "Papa Doc" Duvalier, and the Soviets and Cubans were active in Mexico. Goss was transferred to Europe toward the end of his career. The CIA on Tuesday steered questions about his activities to Goss, who wasn't talking with reporters. When Goss first entered politics, he had to obtain special permission to reveal he had ever been associated with the CIA. Goss, who speaks Spanish and French, started with the CIA in Miami about the time of the Cuban missile crisis. The CIA recruited him during his junior year at Yale, where he completed his bachelor's degree in ancient Greek in 1960. During a 2002 interview with The Washington Post, Goss joked that he performed photo interpretation and "small-boat handling," which led to "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits." He acknowledged he had recruited and run foreign agents and said he would be uncomfortable traveling to Cuba but wouldn't say more. Mysterious blood infection During a 1970 trip to Washington from his home in London, Goss collapsed in his hotel room, suffering from a mysterious blood infection that affected his heart and kidneys. Goss cannot explain the sudden illness but is convinced he wasn't poisoned. He was so weak during his recovery that the CIA refused to send him back into the field, so he retired. Goss, who is married with four grown children, moved to southwest Florida in 1971 to recuperate among a small enclave of former espionage
Re: [CTRL] "In Plane Site" based on disparaged but not discredited evide...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/14/2004 5:25:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/14/2004 3:10:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anonymous wankers. The no-757 at the Pentagon is an op. So are the pod-people. I have spent a lot of time WITH this theory and I must say that I am curious what you base your opinion on. Also, what evidence do we have that there WAS one? I for one am not an op. I have been waiting for years for someone that claims so to be willing to actually come and meet me. To qualify, I am willing to divulge what I had been keeping a secret for security reasons, that I have been known as Big Medicine, Agent Smiley, and Souljah. Operation Two Towers http://www.angelfire.com/mi/smilinks/conspiracies.html Some time ago, the Bush administration gave us the story that there were nineteen Arab hijackers involved which is discredited by there being at least four of the individuals allegedly involved FOUND ALIVE (BBC). I know that I am going to alienate some by saying this: Mike Ruppert has taken that up hook, line, and sinker and any mention that he is wrong on that count draws not only attacks but censorship from HIM, whether it is at the CIA-Drugs list or, even, at Indymedia. That is SOME power as Indymedia has been known to broadcast right through the dispersal of nearby teargas. My research at Angelfire, whose url is shown above, is hampered by the fact that Indymedia, at the "request" of Ruppert, has removed thousands of pages of archived research compiled by yours truly some of which is referenced by the above url. * THAT is an op. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Fwd: [CTRL] Fwd: "In Plane Site" based on disparaged but not discredited evidence ...
-Caveat Lector- i'm pretty infuriated at this point at the mess that robinowitz has created. i spoke out against his tactics on another list that he was on, but he just kept on with the same unconstructive crap -- unfounded accusations that video footage was being manipulated and faked (rather than just badly analyzed), name-calling disparagement, accusing everyone he was attacking of being "agents" without any evidence, promoting the disinfo about phil jayhan & FEMA (although he eventually acknowledged this error and retracted it)... etc. i'm not surprised that eric and i are facing guilt-by-association tactics. robinowitz can be a real attention-grabber and he has poisoned the atmosphere (not that this sort of thing is limited to him, though...) i stand by everything that eric and i have posted on questionsquestions.net in terms of analyzing video evidence, and we might even have some things to say about 'pods' in the near future, but i oppose the way robinowitz has handled this. texbook case of how to give people a convenient escape from a real debate by being able to claim that they're being persecuted by a hate campaign. On Aug 15, 2004, at 3:54 AM, The Webfairy wrote: I see this as an attempt to smear the body of his work, which remains the best exposition of how Fabian Socialism corrupted both sides into a bipartisan march toward totalitarianism. It is particularly important because it bears no "Larouchian taint" even tho it covers the same ground that gives Larouche the same set of perps. i think someone should write a book about larouche titled, "when bad things happen to good causes". While I was embarrassed and hurt to see my work trashed about by someone who's work I respect, I do not want to see the same Wurlitzer cranked up against him. i appreciate your respect, but i did not "trash" your work. i stand by eric's and my critiques as totally fair and reasonable. i know full well that you're going to continue feeling that we're completely wrong, but at least as long as you don't think that we're teletubby cointelpro, i'm ok with agreeing to disagree. these things are up to "the jury" in the end. I will be most interested to see if the various slanders against my work, against In Plane Site, and against Phil Jayhan are retracted by rabidnitwitz and crew. To simply turn the guns on Brian Salter instead is not enough, as the connections of the John Gray scandal continue to unfold largely do to his work originally sent to a private list. i think that rabinowitz should retract the statements he has made about footage & pictures being faked, for which i see no evidence at all, as well as his emphatic statements about an overall "op" going on without any evidence. at the same time, jayhan has also stooped to the gutter by posting robinowitz's address and phone number with a specific invitation for people to harrass him, and i'm told he's being vulgar and abusive to critics on the SF physical evidence list (which i'm not on). frankly, neither side of that feud reaches my threshhold for respect. -brian www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
