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2004-09-03 Thread William Bacon
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Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in
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 Saturday, August 28, 2004


 Here comes the U.N. ­ again!


I wrote an email to Mr. Lamb telling him that
organized opposition already exists with the John
Birch Society. I have found that he and other writers
on WND like to write about the problem of the UN
without ever suggesting that readers support HR 1146
(or similiar legislation). In fact, many times, they
don't recommend or suggest anything at all!

They seem to be part of the hand ringer group: Look
how terrible this is. Let's learn about it some more
and do nothing!

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Re: [CTRL] [political-research] A Challenge to the Abiotic Oil Camp

2004-09-03 Thread Brian Salter
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On Sep 3, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis wrote:
VMANN:  is there evidence of an oil shortage?
'peak oil' is covering 'neocon' tracks.
'peak oil' advocates claim that US mideast policy is designed around
keeping cheap oil flowing.  well, why is the US secretly bombing iraq
oil pipelines, according to the complaints of industry insiders?  and
who is in on the mosul-haifa pipeline plan?
'peak oil' (with 'impending severe climate change' playing shortstop)
serves as a cover for the geopolitical aim of strangling the growth of
eurasian rivals like china and india, and probably helps potentially to
discredit russia as well, given that they are at least four years away
from the infrastructure needed to increase their oil exports.  it's
really getting obvious, in my opinion.  not to mention the cover story
for the depreciating dollar, which ties in too.
the usual sources started cranking out anti-saudi 'peak oil' rhetoric
earlier this year at about the same time that get the saudis rhetoric
was again winding up on capitol hill, and this was not long after the
saudis started opening up some surprising new independent channels with
russia  china...
those who think that 'peak oil' claims are an enemy of neocons ought to
ponder how it is that the current president of the club of rome is the
same guy who once smuggled chalabi out of jordan in the trunk of his
limo.
cheney energy advisor simmons and other 'peak oil' advocates say we
need a new international agency to audit oil producers and set
malthusian limits on oil production and consumption.  sounds like a
replacement for OPEC doesn't it.  does that contradict the 'neocon'
agenda?and who would provide the reference info for such oil
audits?  don't know yet, but it turns out that a near monopoly of world
petroleum survey and database services is held by western / geco
(formed in 1999), which is owned by a holding company run by baron
friedrich thyssen-bornemisza, the grand-nephew of the guy who wrote, i
paid hitler.  ok.
FTW coverage has been promoting the report prepared by global business
network for the DoD that was leaked earlier this year, which predicts
worldwide 'peak oil' energy catastrophe within 20 years in addition to
predictions of severe climate shifts in the same timeframe.  GBN was
founded by veterans of SRI as well as royal dutch shell's scenario
planning project which goes back to the 70s.  turns out that royal
dutch shell execs helped lead the bilderberger meeting at
saltsjoebaden, sweden in 1973 which planned the fake oil shock of
73-74.  their scenario planning division led by gurdjieff disciple
pierre wack is, humorously, credited with being the only think tank
which predicted this oil shock!
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.11/gbn_pr.html
and now, their alumni are predicting imminent peak oil and coming
climate catastrophes.  by the way, the SRI connection is interesting
too.  SRI was one of five government contractors who developed the
original HAARP weather-mod technology.
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/pentagon_gw.html
the 73 fake oil shock saved shell's north sea investments.  i'd imagine
that the 2004 oil shock might wind up helping the new shell-led
sakhalin consortium in some way.  but i guess it won't end up helping
that super-profitable refinery in california that shell has decided to
shut down.
george schultz installed the neocon vulcans into the white house but
he's also a good friend of gorbachev, sponsor of the malthusian state
of the world forum (founded by another schultz colleage, jim garrison)
and the earth charter, which was officially blessed into existence by
queen beatrix in june 2000, a few months before saddam decided to sell
oil in euros.  the earth charter supporters have now built a mother
earth ark which is being paraded around at new age rallies and the
like.  i don't know what's in this ark, but i'm guessing it's full of
royal dutch shell stock certificates.
schultz is also of course a member of the schwarzenegger team.  how can
this be, if he has such nice 'green' connections?  california 2001-2
seems to have been the test run for a kind of 'energy catastrophe'
scam.  create a fake energy shortage, crash the government's budget,
drum up a frantic political crisis, and then install your strong man.
who knows, perhaps there is a 'plan B' to rotate kerry in, use that
'regime rotation' as a rationale to put 9/11 and other bush admin
scandals safely to bed in the public eye, and then pull a gray davis
routine on him later when the time comes (i would think, timing this to
cover a US economic collapse which has been predicted by some for 2005.
 'peak oil' will help provide the cover story).
follow another strange path from schwarzenegger as follows:
schwarzenegger -- rothschild -- edward gaia goldsmith -- the
ecologist magazine.
'peak oil' promoter andrew mckillop, whose book 'the final energy
crisis' is due out this month, works for goldsmith:

[CTRL] Spy Scandal's Roots are Deep

2004-09-03 Thread Adam Bruce
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http://www.juancole.com/2004_09_01_juancole_archive.html#109402382850329928


Wednesday, September 01, 2004


Spy Scandal's Roots are DeepJim Lobe argues that the FBI investigation that caught up Pentagon Iran expert Lawrence Franklin is much wider than initially thought, and focuses on the unauthorized transfer to Israel of highly sophisticated military software and designs. Since many Israeli arms merchants connected to the government in Tel Aviv sell to the black market, some of this military technology has ended up in the hands of countries that have poor relations with the US, and some may have ultimately been resold to al-Qaeda. Lobe writes,
According to knowledgeable sources, who asked to not be identified, the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) has been intensively reviewing a series of past counter-intelligence probes that were started against several high-profile neo-cons but never followed up with prosecutions, to the great frustration of counter-intelligence officers, in some cases.Some of these past investigations involve top current officials, including Deputy Secretary of Defence Paul Wolfowitz; Undersecretary of Defence for Policy Douglas Feith, whose office appears to be the focus of the most recently disclosed inquiry; and Richard Perle, who resigned as Defence Policy Board (DPB) chairman last year.All three were the subject of a lengthy investigative story by Stephen Green published by Counterpunch in February. Green is the author of two books on U.S.-Israeli relations, including Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant Israel, which relies heavily on interviews with former Pentagon and counter-intelligence officials. Meanwhile, The Jerusalem Post reports that the FBI raided the offices of Steve Rosen, the director of foreign policy issues for the American Israel Public Affairs Committe, an enormously influential lobby. Earlier, rumors swirled of an FBI investigation of how the Pentagon Office of Special Plans, set up by Doug Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, skewed intelligence on Iraq and may have illegally engaged in intelligence-gathering. In fact, that investigation was being conducted by the Senate Intelligence and House Judiciary Committee staffs, not by the FBI. They are also looking at the possibility that Pentagon employees pursued unauthorized contacts aimed at preparing the way for overthrowing the governments of Iran and Syria. This according to the Boston Globe:
' Senate Intelligence and House Judiciary Committee staff members say inquiries into the Near East and South Asia Affairs division have found preliminary evidence that some officials gathered questionable information on weapons of mass destruction from Iraqi exiles such as Ahmed Chalabi without proper authorization, which helped build President Bush's case for an invasion last year. The investigators are also looking into a more serious concern: whether the office engaged in illegal activity by holding unauthorized meetings with foreign nationals to destablize Syria and Iran without the presidential approval required for covert operations, said one senior congressional investigator who has longtime experience in intelligence oversight. 'A pattern of illegal payments for such information is also at issue. Laura Rozen says she has evidence that Pentagon officials asked that Manuchehr Ghorbanifar be paid for documents he provided.By the way, I personally do not expect any dramatic developments from all these investigations. AIPAC has powerful protectors on Capitol Hill, and past charges that it was involved in espionage for Israel have always been buried. As for the Neocon cult in the Pentagon, even if they did something illegal, they will not suffer much because of it. Look at where the Iran-Contra criminals are, who subverted the US Constitution and stole arms from the Pentagon to sell illegally to Khomeini. One Iran-Contra figure, who lied to Congress, now serves in the National Security Council as the person in charge of the Israeli-Palestine issue. That is Elliot Abrams, who was pardoned by Bush the elder and now sets White House policy on among the more important issues affecting US relations with the Muslim world. Bush may as well have just appointed Ariel Sharon to advise him on how to deal with Ariel Sharon (though to be fair, Sharon is probably more pragmatic than and to the left of Abrams).Moreover, if Sharon and AIPAC decide that they need the US government to take military action against Iran, it is likely that the US government will do so. They can mobilize the US evangelicals in favor of this step, putting enormous pressure on Congress and the executive. Many Iranian expatriates are extremely wealthy and well connected, and they want such military action. And, firms like Halliburton, which find work-arounds allowing them to make money in Iran (and did so when Dick Cheney was CEO), would love to get rid of the mullas so they could make the big bucks, and 

[CTRL] Top Secret Feds Classify The Silly, Stupid, and Nasty Mistakes

2004-09-03 Thread flw2
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washingtonpost.com
'Secrets' Perplex Panel
Classified Data Growing to Include 'Comically Irrelevant'
By Michael J. Sniffen
Associated Press
Friday, September 3, 2004; Page A17

A former dictator's cocktail preferences and a facetious plot against Santa
Claus were classified by the government to prevent public disclosure.

Also stamped secret for six years was a study concluding that 40 percent of
Army chemical warfare masks leaked.

These, as well as other examples of classification were cited last week by
members of Congress and witnesses at a House subcommittee hearing into the Sept.
11 commission's conclusion that secrecy is undermining efforts to thwart
terrorists.

Some classifications were made in error or to save face.

The CIA deleted the amount Iraqi agents paid for aluminum tubes from Page 96 of
a Senate report on prewar intelligence. The report quoted the CIA as concluding
that their willingness to pay such costs suggests the tubes are intended for a
special project of national interest.

That price turned out to be not so high. On Page 105 of the same Senate report,
the same security reviewers let the CIA's figure -- as much as $17.50 each -- be
printed along with other estimates that the Iraqis paid as little as $10 apiece.

There are too many secrets and maybe too many secret-makers, said Rep.
Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), chairman of the House Government Reform Committee's
national security panel.

There are 3,978 officials who can stamp a document top secret, secret or
confidential under multiple sets of complex rules.

No one knows how much is classified, he said, and the system often does not
distinguish between the critically important and comically irrelevant.

The problem is growing, said J. William Leonard, director of the National
Archives' Information Security Oversight Office, which monitors federal
practices. Officials decided to classify documents 8 percent more often in 2003
than in 2002. Total classification decisions -- including upgrading or
downgrading -- reached 14 million.

The tone is set at the top, Shays said.

This administration believes the less known, the better, added the Connecticut
Republican, noting sadly he was speaking of a GOP administration. I believe the
more known, the better.

The panel's ranking Democrat, Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio, noted that former
President Bill Clinton directed that in cases of doubt, the lowest or no
classification be used. But in 2003, President Bush ordered officials to use the
more restrictive level.

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' project on
secrecy, said some classification was designed to conceal illegality or avoid
embarrassment, even though that is forbidden.

Aftergood cited the secret stamp on Army Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba's report
of numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses
inflicted on Iraqi inmates at the Abu Ghraib prison.

Carol A. Haave, deputy undersecretary of defense for counterintelligence and
security, said most misclassification was unintentional, resulting from
misunderstanding or failure to declassify data that are no longer sensitive. She
said a weakness, particularly for anti-terrorism efforts, was that those who
collect intelligence determine its classification.

Collectors of information can never know how it could best be used, Haave
said. We have to move to a user-driven environment.

Leonard, the Archives official, said another obstacle to sharing anti-terrorist
data as the Sept. 11 commission envisioned was that federal law divides the
authority for writing the rules that govern secrets. The CIA director has
authority to protect intelligence sources and methods, the Energy Department has
power to write regulations to shield nuclear secrets, the Pentagon has control
over classifying NATO data and the National Security Agency can define
eavesdropping communications secrets.

All these variations have nuances that impede cooperation, Leonard said.

Aftergood, who is fighting in court to declassify the overall budget for
intelligence agencies, argued that declassifying that total could break the
logjam of overclassification. That was also recommended by the Sept. 11
commission.

Leonard said a 2000 law created a public interest declassification board to
recommend release of secrets in important cases, but the president and Congress
never appointed members.

For the curious: The CIA classified for 20 years longtime Chilean dictator
Augusto Pinochet's preference for pisco sours, according to subcommittee staff
members citing previously classified documents published by the National
Security Archive, a private anti-secrecy institute at George Washington
University.

And a CIA employee made up a story of a terrorist plot to hijack Santa Claus and
inserted it into classified traffic. So, apparently, the fact that CIA had a
sense of humor was classified, said subcommittee counsel Lawrence J. Halloran.



© 2004 The 

[CTRL] Where Is the Consistency in the War on Terrorism?

2004-09-03 Thread Adam Bruce
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In a message dated 9/3/2004 7:13:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit[Outstanding column in the Washington Post. First one I've seen by a leadingwriter in a mainstream publication pointing to the obvious inconsistencyhere. Bush spoke at his convention tonight about the very issue of harboringterrorists, which is exactly what his regime is doing in the case of thePanama terrorists, and which John Kerry as yet hasn't seen fit to speak upabout, either. Should be circulated very widely. This could be on the backof any leaflet about any new meeting on the case of the Five. -WL]The Washington Post - September 2, 2004http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57117-2004Sep2.htmlWhere Is the Consistency in the War on Terrorism? By Marcela SanchezSpecial to washingtonpost.comWASHINGTON -- It would seem safe to assume that individuals who have fired abazooka at the United Nations headquarters in New York, served time inconnection with the first state-sponsored act of terrorism in the UnitedStates, or actively participated in secret groups that claimedresponsibility for dozens of bombings in New York, New Jersey and Florida,would raise many red flags when coming into this country.Or maybe not. Just last week, Guillermo Novo, Pedro Remon and GasparJimenez, the men behind those and other terrorist acts, received a hero'swelcome in the United States. After a quick flight from Panama aboard aprivate jet, the men flashed victory signs and smiled to a swarm of camerasin a Miami airport while U.S. authorities looked on.Hours earlier, Panamanian President Mireya Moscoso pardoned the three menand another, Luis Posada Carriles, days before her term was up, ending theirstint in a Panamanian prison for charges related to plotting to assassinateCuban President Fidel Castro in 2000. According to a court ruling in April,if they explosives found in the case had been used, they could havedestroyed an armored car and everything within 20 meters would have felt theimpact. Moscoso issued the pardson fearing rightly that if extradited toCuba, as Castro has been requesting, the men would be summarily executed.Posada, an international fugitive charged with the 1976 bombing of a Cubanairliner that killed 73 people, did not join the rest in Miami because hedoes not hold a U.S. passport. Instead, according to Honduran press reports,the CIA-trained explosives expert was dropped off in Honduras with a falseU.S. passport.Critics here and in Latin America jumped to conclude that Washington hadpressured Moscoso to release the men, citing the Bush administration'sobsession with Castro and the potential political gain for President Bush inFlorida. U.S. officials, on the other hand, responded quickly by statingthey "never lobbied the Panamanian government to pardon anyone."Such talk falls into the old trap of conspiracy and denial, and obscures thelarger point: There is something terribly wrong when the United States,after 9/11, fails to condemn the pardoning of terrorists and instead allowsthem to walk freely on U.S. streets."Moral clarity is a strategic asset" in the war on terrorism, said Pentagonpolicy chief, Douglas Feith, in a 2002 speech. If President Bush frequentlylabels terrorism as "evil," he continued, it is meant to steer the worldtoward an unquestionable rejection of terrorism, regardless of its goals.The four Cuban exiles have spent nearly four decades in a rabid pursuit todestroy Castro, his communist revolution and anyone who dared criticizetheir violent methods. Whether by the fortune of powerful supporters or theconvenience of previous tolerance toward certain acts of terrorism, theyhave more often than not managed to roam free to plan their next move. Theycan now add Panamanian presidential clemency to a bizarre list ofachievements that have included foreign prison escapes, dropped charges, andcommuted life-sentences.Times are supposed to be different. In his 2002 speech, Feith acknowledgedthe "unpleasant fact" that for the last three decades the world, includingthe United States, tolerated terrorism. In the post 9/11 world, he added,"no one who aspires to respectability can tolerate, let alone support''terrorists who in the past may have been seen as freedom fighters.Perhaps Feith should have exempted people who hate Castro. Judging byinterviews this week, leaders in the Cuban-American community, includingformer U.S. officials, have not re-evaluated their tolerance of terrorism.Simon Ferro, former U.S. ambassador to Panama, downplayed the significanceof Moscoso's pardon, incorrectly stating the men had only been found guiltyof entering Panama illegally. (They were serving seven- to eight-yearsentences for endangering public safety). Francisco "Pepe" Hernandez,president of the Cuban American National Foundation, said his organizationdoes not advocate violence but "we do not condemn those who fight and risktheir lives to try to 

[CTRL] Voting: What Is Boulder County Trying To Hide?

2004-09-03 Thread Adam Bruce
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In a message dated 9/2/2004 10:15:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0408/S00107.htmBlogwatch: What Is Boulder County Trying To Hide?Wednesday, 11 August 2004, 12:06 pmOpinion: Scoop Blogwatch  Scoop Blogwatch  What Is Boulder County Trying To Hide?  http://coloradovoter.blogspot.com  Saturday, August 07, 2004  By Al KolwiczThere must be something terribly wrong with their new electionsystem, and Boulder County election officials are doing everythingin their power to keep it hidden from the public.The Boulder County Republican Party was kicked out of Thursday.sofficial test of the new election system. Election officials insistedthat the legally appointed Republican Party representative changehis test decks, presumably so that the system can pass the tests.The Republican representative refused, and the clerk told him toleave.Many voters do not follow instructions and instead of filling inthe box, will use an .X. or a check mark or circle the box, orinstead of using ink will use magic marker, etc. Some voters willobject to voting with a ballot that is not secret, and will .whiteout. or cross out the serial number that uniquely identifies theirballot. In the past, some voters have written notes explaining whatthey meant to do. The Republican test deck was prepared to verifythat these real-life situations will be correctly handled by theuntested counting system.Because of the insistence that the Republicans remove these tests,it appears that real-life ballots can cause the new voting systemto fail.The Republican representative, Al Kolwicz, had the legal authorityto participate in the testing, a statutory duty to perform, and allof his actions and tests were within the law. The public needs toknow why the Republicans are being harassed by county officials.According to Kolwicz, .answers to major questions about the security,accuracy and verifiability of the HART InterCivic voting systemhave not been forthcoming from the Clerk. Based on what I have seen,I would definitely not trust this system.This morning.s local newspaper describes a new approach to silencingany who question the new system. See: Election watchdog could facechargeshttp://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/election/article/0,1713,BDC_16316_3094890,00.htmlIt would be a very sad day for America if any citizen were to beprosecuted by government officials who appear to be biased againstan open and verifiable election process.It gets worse.The test began on Friday July 30th and was discontinued. A scheduledrestart of the test on Sunday August 1st was cancelled. No reasonshave been given. It appears that the Boulder County Clerk and theColorado Secretary of State are secretly working together. Inresponse to an August 2nd open records request for information aboutwhy the tests of the voting system were discontinued, the Secretaryof State responded that .the Secretary of State.s office does nothave any information regarding the July 31 decision to discontinuethe Logic and Accuracy Test..Salas has failed to respond to a similar open records request andhas now placed the County in default of the statutory three dayresponse requirement.And worse.At its August 3rd meeting, county commissioners denied a requestby systems analysis consultant Paul Walmsley to verify that votesare correctly counted. The county and the vendor acknowledge thatthere is no way to precisely check the accuracy of vote countingwith the new system.And worse.Elections director Tom Halicki, at the same meeting, failed toinform the commissioners that the test was discontinued, and thatthe new system had failed the Republican Party.s tests. Instead,Halicki misleadingly told commissioners that the Libertarian andthe Democrat Parties are satisfied with the test, but failed todisclose that these tests were not yet complete and that a clerk'soffice insider, Deputy Clerk Nancy Jo Wurl, was serving as theofficial representative of both the Democrat and Libertarian parties.And it gets even .more worse..Poll watcher volunteer, Ralph Shnelvar, who was authorized by Salasto observe the July 30 test, was blocked from observing the August5th continuation of the test. Shnelvar is a Libertarian.To view a video of the commissioners meeting go tohttp://www.liquidviewer.com/bouldercounty/videoselect.asp and clickAugust 3rd new business meeting, and then click item 14.What is it that county and state election officials are trying tohide?It is time for Boulder County.s political parties and electedrepresentatives to come before the public to get at the truth. Itis time to do whatever is needed to ensure an open, secure, accurateand verifiable election on August 10th.The political parties must not approve use of the new voting systemuntil it can be proven that the system is secure, accurate, andverifiable.The political leaders, candidates and elected representatives muststand up, do their duty, and not let this to slide by. Too much isat 

[CTRL] [JBirch] We're making some progress here! (fwd)

2004-09-03 Thread William Bacon
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Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in
United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations

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How about this one...from a liberal paper:

GOP to UN: Drop Dead
The Nation - USA

Not since the convention that nominated Barry Goldwater in 1964 has a
gathering of the Republican faithful featured so much UN bashing from so
many prominent players in the party. What once was the extremist line of
John Birch Society cadres and their allies -- Get US out of the UN, read
the society's billboards in the 1960s -- has become a popular position
within the Republican party.

http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1pid=1778


Let's keep up the educational effort!

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   When 'Peak Oil' Met The 'West Nile Virus'
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I don't know how much press attention the story has gotten
outside of the region, so to bring the potentially uninformed up to
date, there has been a series of deaths in recent months in Southern
California that have been attributed to the dreaded 'West Nile Virus.'
According to the official party line, the virus is being spread by
infected mosquitos, which are picking up the disease from infected
birds.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that is very
unlikely that 'West Nile Virus' actually exists as a specific,
identifiable viral agent. And if it does exist, there is no evidence
that it is pathogenic. As one illuminating post concludes, after
reviewing the medical literature, It is quite clear that West Nile
Virus has never been purified, and that without purification not only is
it impossible to say whether it is the cause of the disease that it is
associated with, but it is impossible to say whether it even exists.
(http://www.mercola.com/2001/oct/3/west_nile_virus.htm)

Even if the virus does exist, and even if it is pathogenic, it
seems very unlikely that it has been the cause of death in the Southern
California cases. The ten purported victims were, overall, an elderly
bunch, and most had preexisting health conditions. The oldest was 91;
the average age of the ten was 75. No offense to the surviving family
members of the deceased, but these weren't people who needed some exotic
virus to finish them off; they were people with one foot in the grave
and the other on the proverbial banana peel.

Not surprisingly, this alleged deadly outbreak has been seized
upon as a pretext to further advance the police state, and to further
blur the line between healthcare and law enforcement. Wholesale spraying
of who-knows-what has become all the rage in some parts of town, and
there has been talk of greatly expanding the police powers of county
health officials, including granting them the power to enter upon any
property, at any time, in search of any potential mosquito breeding
grounds (as if it is possible to eliminate every drop of standing water
in all of Los Angeles, Orange, and San Bernadino Counties). Next on the
agenda will probably be another round of discussions about the need for
mandatory vaccinations.

This is all pretty disturbing stuff, to be sure, but in this
post-911 dystopia we live in, it is pretty much par for the course. As
anyone with eyes and ears and a few brain cells in between has probably
noticed, there are any number of disturbing things happening in the
world these days. But the West Nile Virus story took a particularly
troubling turn a couple weeks ago.

While idling watching some of NBC's stellar prime time Olympic
coverage last Monday night, I happened to catch a brief teaser for the
upcoming evening newscast in which it was announced that the 'West Nile
Virus' had claimed another Southern California victim. The man was
identified only as a local political activist. Details, of course,
would have to wait.

So ... I patiently waited through about two hours of NBC's
thought we were arrogant before? how do you like us now? Olympic
coverage, only to find, much to my chagrin, that when the nightly news
finally rolled around, the story of the political activist cut down by
'West 

[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Fwd: Arnold Schwarzenegger's Blunder at the Republican Convention

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Arnold Schwarzenegger's Blunder at the Republican Convention
At the Republican Convention, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said he became a Republican after listening to a televised debate between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon in 1968.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/september2004/020904arnoldblunder.htm


Arnold Schwarzenegger's Blunder at the Republican Convention
Michel Chossudovsky | September 2 2004
At the Republican Convention, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said he became a Republican after listening to a televised debate between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon in 1968. 
In his address, he described arriving in the United States from Austria and hearing Richard Nixon challenge Hubert Humphrey in a televised presidential debate:
"I finally arrived here in 1968.I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes, and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.
I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican!" And I've been a Republican ever since!" (complete speech at http://www.2004nycgop.org/cgi-data/speeches/files/2jl158h8hr9cm5t7e4d379jp6o186680.shtml 
The records on televised presidential debates are unequivocal. They started in 1960 with the famous Kennedy-Nixon debate. Nixon's performance in this debate was in part instrumental in his defeat and the election of John F. Kennedy to the White house in the November 1960. (for a review of presidential debates since 1858 see The Commission on Presidential Debates at: http://www.debates.org/pages/history.html )
In the 1968 presidential campaign, Hubert Humphrey and Ed Muskie ran against Richard Nixon and Maryland Governor Spiro Agnew. Richard Nixon did not want to repeat his 1960 experience with JFK. He refused to debate his Democratic opponent Hubert Humphrey. (See Providence Journal-Bulletin (Rhode Island), October 3, 2000)
Although Humphrey challenged Nixon to a debate, there was no debate between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon in 1968. Arnold Scharzenegger could not have seen it on TV, because it never took place. In fact, there were no presidential debates between 1960 and 1976.
Déjà vu
Arnold Scharzenegger's affirmation at the Republican Convention concerning the Nixon-Humphrey debate has a ring of déjà vu. It was essentially a "say again" of a announcement he first made public in 1993, at a Press Conference in Beverly Hills, California , following the release of his adventure comedy, Last Action Hero:
"I realized then that this one guy (Humphrey) is closer to Austria and socialism, while this other guy (Nixon) represents the free market, free enterprise and the freedom of getting the government off your back," (The Toronto Star, June 18, 1993)
And since then, he has used these same catch sentences on Humphrey versus Nixon on numerous occasions, in press interviews as well as at political venues (including the 2000 Republican Convention and his 2003 campaign for the Governorship of California):
"For substance, try a dubious note with which Schwarzenegger brightened an address to his party's recent L.A. convention. The story goes over so well, he's taken to repeating it. He says his decision to become a Republican was prompted soon after he'd arrived from Austria in 1968, and watched a presidential debate between Richard Nixon and Hubert Humphrey. 

[CTRL] Fwd: Holy Water Buffalo Batman! We're in big trouble ...

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 Asian Farmers Sucking
 The Continent Dry
 By Fred Pearce
 New Scientist
 8-28-4
 
 
 The world is on the verge of a water crisis
 as people fight over ever
 dwindling supplies, experts told the
 Stockholm Water Symposium.
 
 A generation ago, Indian farmers in the state
 of Gujarat used bullocks
 to lift water from shallow wells in leather
 buckets. Now they haul it
 from 300 metres below ground using electric
 pumps. But that
 technological revolution is about to have
 devastating consequences.
 
 So much water is being drawn from underground
 reserves that they, and
 the pumps they feed, are running dry, turning
 fields that have been
 fecund for generations into desert.
 
 The world's leading water scientists warned
 this week that this
 little-heralded crisis is repeating itself
 across Asia, and could
 cause widespread famines in the decades to
 come.
 
 
 Day and night
 
 India is at the epicentre of the pump revolution.
 Using technology
 adapted from the oil industry, smallholder
 farmers have drilled 21
 million tube wells into the saturated strata
 beneath their fields.
 
 Every year, farmers bring another million
 wells into service, most of
 them outside the control of the state
 irrigation authorities. The
 pumps, powered by heavily subsidised
 electricity, work day and night
 to irrigate fields of thirsty crops like
 rice, sugar cane and alfalfa.
 
 But this massive, unregulated expansion of
 pumps and wells is
 threatening to suck India dry.
 Nobody knows where the tube wells are
 or who owns them. There is no way anyone can
 control what happens to
 them, says Tushaar Shah, head of the
 International Water Management
 Institute's groundwater station, based in Gujarat. When the
 balloon
 bursts, untold anarchy will be the lot of
 rural India, he says.
 
 Shah gave his apocalyptic warning at the
 annual Stockholm Water
 Symposium in Sweden last week. His
 research suggests that the pumps,
 which transformed Indian farming, bring 200
 cubic kilometres of water
 to the surface each year. But only a fraction
 of that is replaced by
 the monsoon rains.
 
 
 China's breadbasket
 
 The same revolution is being replicated
 across Asia, with millions of
 tube wells pumping up precious underground
 water reserves in
 water-stressed countries like Pakistan, Vietnam, and in northern
 China.
 
 In China's breadbasket,
 the north China plain, 30 cubic
 kilometres
 more water is being pumped to the surface
 each year by farmers than is
 replaced by the rain. Groundwater is used to
 produce 40 per cent of
 the country's grain, and Chinese officials
 warned this week that water
 shortages will soon make the country
 dependent on grain imports.
 
 Vietnam has quadrupled its number of tube wells in the
 past decade to
 one million, and water tables are plunging in
 the Pakistani state of
 Punjab, which produces 90 per cent of the country's
 food.
 
 In India, more farmers
 now provide their own water via wells and pumps
 than rely on the government's irrigation
 system, which is based on a
 network of canals. Corrupt management, low
 investment and drying
 rivers have made the national system
 increasingly decrepit, and it
 rarely delivers water to farmers when they
 need it.
 
 In contrast, the $600 pumps are bringing
 short-term prosperity to much
 of the country, turning India from a 

[CTRL] Fw: For the Annals of Totalitarianism and Dishonor

2004-09-03 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic
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Case No.: IT-02-54-T
IN THE TRIAL CHAMBER
Before:Judge Patrick Robinson, PresidingJudge O-Gon KwonJudge 
Iain Bonomy
Registrar:Mr. Hans Holthuis
Decision of:3 September 2004
PROSECUTOR
v.
SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC
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ORDER ON THE MODALITIES TO BE FOLLOWED BY COURT ASSIGNED 
COUNSEL
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The Office of the Prosecutor
Ms. Carla Del PonteMr. Geoffrey NiceMs. Hildegard 
Uertz-RetzlaffMr. Dermot Groome
The Accused 
Mr. Slobodan Milosevic
Court Assigned Counsel
Mr. Steven Kay, QCMs. Gillian Higgins
Amicus Curiae
Prof. Timothy L.H. McCormack

THIS TRIAL CHAMBER of the International Tribunal for the 
Prosecution of Persons Responsible for Serious Violations of International 
Humanitarian Law Committed in the Territory of the Former Yugoslavia since 1991 
("the International Tribunal"),
HAVING ORDERED ORALLY on 2 September 2004, that counsel 
will be assigned to the Accused and that the Registrar should endeavour in the 
first instance to secure the appointment of Mr. Steven Kay and Ms. Gillian 
Higgins as the court assigned counsel for the Accused in these proceedings,
NOTING the assignment by the Registrar of Mr. Steven Kay 
and Ms. Gillian Higgins as court assigned counsel for the Accused in these 
proceedings on 3 September 2004,
CONSIDERING that it is necessary for the Trial Chamber 
to set out the modalities by which court assigned counsel are to act,
PURSUANT TO Articles 20 and 21 of the Statute and Rule 
54 of the Rules of Procedure and Evidence of the International Tribunal,
HEREBY ORDERS AS FOLLOWS:

  
  It is the duty of court assigned counsel to determine how to present the 
  case for the Accused, and in particular it is their duty to: 
  
  

represent the Accused by preparing and examining those witnesses court 
assigned counsel deem it appropriate to call; 


make all submissions on fact and law that they deem it appropriate to 
make; 


seek from the Trial Chamber such orders as they consider necessary to 
enable them to present the Accuseds case properly, including the issuance 
of subpoenas; 


discuss with the Accused the conduct of the case, endeavour to obtain 
his instructions thereon and take account of views expressed by the Accused, 
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act throughout in the best interests of the Accused; 

  
  The Accused may, with the leave of the Trial Chamber, continue to 
  participate actively in the conduct of his case, including, where appropriate, 
  examining witnesses, following examination by court assigned counsel; 
  
  
  The Accused has the right, at any time, to make a reasonable request to 
  the Trial Chamber to consider allowing him to appoint counsel; and 
  
  
  Court assigned counsel is authorised to seek from the Trial Chamber such 
  further orders as they deem necessary to enable them to conduct the case for 
  the Accused. 
  

Done in English and French, the English text being 
authoritative.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AF74CF2D-47B8-4BE9-BC70-DAF9F716433C.
htm
Mounting US casualty count takes its toll
Ben Duncan , Aljazeera.ner

Washington, Friday 03 September 2004 - The number of US troops killed in
Iraq is steadily approaching 1000, yet it remains unclear what impact that
number will have on public opinion.

In early September of last year, the US had lost nearly 300 troops in Iraq
and many political experts were questioning how long the American people
would accept the slow drip-drip of casualties.

Conventional wisdom at the time suggested the public might tolerate ongoing
fatalities as long as they believed the Bush administration had a definitive
exit strategy and a plan for establishing a secure, democratic Iraq.

One year and nearly 700 more deaths later, Americans' verdict on the war
continues to be mixed.

Some analysts say the crossing of the 1000 figure could spark a period of
intense public reflection over the current state of US operations in Iraq,
after several months during which the issue of casualties fell below the
radar screen for many Americans.

It [1000 US casualties] becomes a salient threshold for people rising out
of their slumber and taking another look at the situation, Feaver said.
There will be another gut check.

Evenly divided

As of September, 979 US troops have been killed in Iraq and nearly 7000
wounded.

Jay Farrar, vice president of external affairs at the Center for Strategic
and International Studies, said the figure of 1000 casualties could be
significant because Americans tend to want to quantify issues by numbers,
and that it's an easy way to reference in peoples' own minds what something
means.

I think when you reach a level of 1000 casualties in a war against a
country that presented very little direct threat to the United States, that
presents an opportunity for discussion among some people who may have been
inclined to question our motives, Farrar said.

While a recent survey by the Pew Research Center showed that six in 10
Americans believe President Bush does not have a successful plan for
stabilising Iraq, the public appears to be evenly divided over the question
of whether the war was worth the costs involved.

In a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 49% of registered voters said
removing Saddam Hussein from power had not been worth the cost in terms of
money and casualties, while 43% felt it was worth it.

In a recent Gallup Poll, however, 49% said the war had been worth fighting
and 48% said otherwise.

Breaking ranks

Farrar said his own research indicated that opposition to the war is
growing.

My numbers show that a rising percentage of the American public is starting
to question the cost of [the war] in terms of lives and dollars, he said.

Lawrence Korb, a former defenxe department official in the Reagan
administration and currently a senior fellow at the Center for American
Progress, said more people are beginning to say, 'No, this war was not
worth the cost'.

Korb said the recent statement by retiring Republican Congressman Doug
Bereuter that the war in Iraq was a mistake, is a sign that even some Bush
supporters may be breaking ranks.

Bereuter, who until recently served as the vice chairman of the House
Intelligence Committee, issued a four-page statement criticising the
administration's use of faulty prewar intelligence and lamenting the
conflict's death toll.

The cost in casualties is already large and growing, and the immediate and
long-term financial costs are incredible, said Bereuter, who voted for the
congressional resolution authorising the president to invade Iraq.

It remains unclear, however, whether Bereuter's statement is in line with
mainstream America.

Sting of loss

Frank Newport, editor and chief of The Gallup Poll company, pointed to his

[CTRL] Fwd: [ArtBell_Talk] Nazis And The Grays

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[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Iraq: The Trail of Disinformation

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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/trailofdisinformation.html
Iraq: The Trail of Disinformation
What Really Happened
September 2, 2004

Let's start with a simple fact. The United States invaded and conquered Iraq
on the basis of lies. Even the official report of the United States Senate
admits as much ( http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/war_on_alie.htm
).

So, where did all this bad information come from? While the culprits would
like to pin the blame on the Central Intelligence Agency, the facts point in
a different direction. To cite just one example, the now-discredited claim
that Saddam was trying to buy Yellow Cake Uranium from Niger came from the
Pentagon, specifically from Paul Wolfowitz (
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/leopold.php?articleid=
1913 ), using information the CIA stated was unreliable. Wolfowitz, and his
assistant Douglas Feith, set up a special office called the Office of
Special Plans in 2001, that fed information to the White House to urge the
attack on Iraq. Shortly after the invasion, the OSP was disbanded.

So, the trail of the lies that started a war goes from the White House, to
the Pentagon, to the Office of Special Plans. But where was the OSP getting
their information? Clearly, they were not using information provided by the
CIA, or the CIA would not have denounced their cources as unreliable.
According to some reports, the OSP was using consultants who came from
outside the Pentagon and operated with no oversight or accountability (
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2004/0402o
sp.php )! The Office of Special Plans operated on its own, off the official
payroll and away from Congressional oversight (
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html ). According to
several sources, it was the information given out by the Office of Special
Plans that Dick Cheney encouraged the CIA to adopt! So where does the
trail lead from the OSP?

As it turns out, the OSP was getting their information from primarily two
sources. The first was Ahmed Chalabi, the bank embezzler who would be king
and didn't care how it came about (
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030707s=dr
eyfuss ). The second, and more damning source, is the office of the Prime
Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon! As the Office of Special Plans poured out
the lies that led to war, Israeli officers, up to the rank of General, were
repeatedly escorted inside the Pentagon to the Office of Special Plans (
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0807-02.htm ). At no time were they
required to sign in!

Douglas Feith would then take this information, despite CIA doubts about the
credibility of the claims, into private briefings at the White House that
bypassed CIA ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne
ws/2004/07/11/wsept11.xmlsSheet=/news/2004/07/11/ ). In some cases, the CIA
was unaware of Feith's private briefings until the OSP information became
part of White House public policy.

So, this is the trail of the lies that started a war, beginning at the White
House, and via Dick Cheney moving upstream to the Pentagon's Office of
Special Plans, under Wolfowitz and Feith, then from OSP to an parallel group
operating out of Ariel Sharon's office in Israel.

That's the trail.

UPDATE: As of this writing, a staffer within the Office of Special Plans has
been outed as a spy for Israel. While Israel officially denies spying (as it
did for 13 years following the arrest of Jonathan Pollard), and the US
Government downplays the importance of this individual, the fact remains
that this Israeli spy sat right on the information piepline feeding false
claims about Iraq into the White House. The focus on the Iranian documents
going TO Israel is the limited hangout concealing the darker secret of bogus
Iraqi Intelligence flowing FROM Israel into the White House war 

[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] More on Bush - new book-The Bush Betrayal -by James Bovard

2004-09-03 Thread Kris Millegan
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Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] True Torah Jews Speak Out

2004-09-03 Thread Party of Citizens
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True Torah Jews? You mean like Rabbi JKKK who often refers to the Torah
and the 613 mitzvot?

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[CTRL] [PERSIANS-JEWS-FLIES] Iran Invasion and WW III (fwd)

2004-09-03 Thread Party of Citizens
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What choice does U-S-A have? Iran will become a nation with nuclear weapons unless 
U-S-A attacks. Then the problem of guerilla warfare with 100,000,000 people over a 
huge territory from Iraq to Iran to Afghanistan, all united by one thing only ... 
HATRED of the foreign occupiers. Of course North Korea will supply them with A-bombs 
at some point so North Korea will be attacked after Iran. China will not be pleased.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Peak Oil a SWIFT boat apocalypse too far up creek...

2004-09-03 Thread Jude Andreas
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In a message dated 9/3/2004 8:31:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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  Sean McBride wrote: 
  



It's probably bs. Vialls has a tendency to make sensational claims 
without a spec of proof. He's also crossed the line into hardcore 
anti-Semitism, as have Dick Eastman, John Kaminski, Henry Makow and quite a 
few other folks. Their writings are often literally indistinguishable from 
those of Adolf Hitler.

I am aghast at the way the term "anti-Semitism" is once again used and 
abused. I write this in defense of John Kaminski and Henry Makow (himself 
a Jew)

Although it's been said "many times many ways" CRITICISM OF ISRAEL 
AND ZIONISM IS NOT ANTI SEMITISM.

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