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WASHINGTON, D.C.XIt's no secret the FBI let at least two 9-11 hijackersXHazmi and MihdharXslip through its fingers when they landed in California in 2000 and proceeded to live openly under their own names in San Diego before moving into position for the attack. What makes the situation especially ludicrous is that one of these hijackers rented a room from a San Diego landlord who was an FBI informant on the Muslim community.
That's bad enough. But after 9-11, when the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee found out what had been going on, the FBI refused to allow the informant to be interviewed by the committee staff or to testify.
The FBI actually took steps to hide this man so Congress could not find him. All this is described at some length in former senator Bob Graham's book Intelligence MattersXthe one book on this entire affair written by an actual participant in the behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing over what was permitted to come into public view about 9-11. Graham was chairman of the joint congressional investigation.
To resolve the informant question, Graham writes, he met with Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI director Robert Mueller, and other top officials. But when he tried to serve a subpoena on one top FBI official, the man shrank away and would not take the piece of paper. In the end, Graham says, he discovered that the FBI was taking its hard line on the informant on orders from the White House.
Now comes the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General with a lengthy description of the FBI's relationship with the landlord asset. Like the congressional committee, the inspector general did not interview the landlord, but relies on secondhand information gathered from FBI agents. The landlord no longer works for the Bureau. The inspector general reports, "In July 2003 the asset was given a $100,000 payment and closed as an asset."
It is interesting to note that the 9-11 Commission was formed in late 2002. The Joint Congressional Inquiry, which discovered the landlord's existence and sought unsuccessfully to question him, issued its final report July 24, 2003.
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Bush's last quacks
Bush might look like a lame duck, but it would be foolish to underestimate a president's power in the midst of war. His veto power is formidable. And this president is in the unique position to institutionalize conservative rule by appointing as many as three Supreme Court justices. Places where this lame duck can still do some damage:
BOLTON: Insisting that John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador is still alive, Bush in a recent press conference slammed the Dems for their blocking tactics. Hill Republicans are split. Fire is going out of the debate, and Bolton still might well slide through.
UNITED NATIONS: Bolton is Bush's gift to conservatives who want to dump the U.N. But the oil-for-food scandals are an unexpected GOP political plus, showing the U.N. to be corrupt, badly in need of reform and new leadership. And now comes news that the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency had secret how-to-make-a-bomb files stolen, again making the U.N. look incompetent and even dangerous.
JUDGES: In the face-saving deal with Democrats, Bush got three judges through, including Janice Brown,
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-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Back to Story - Help http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050616/pl_afp/usattacksrights/nc:1278;_ylt=A86.I0.e RrFCJ3cATCM8KbIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl Defying Bush again, US House votes to curb surveillance 1 hour, 12 minutes ago The US House of Representatives has rebelled against President George W. Bush for a second time in just three weeks by voting to shield libraries and bookstores from government investigators trying to collect information on terrorism suspects. By a vote of 238-187, the chamber on Wednesday approved an amendment to a bill funding the Justice Department that prohibits it from using a section of the USA Patriot Act enabling agents to gain access to customer reading records from US libraries and bookstore. The vote in defiance of a presidential veto threat, followed last month's passage of legislation allowing new federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, also in spite of Bush's repeated threats to veto it. Enacted barely six weeks after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, the USA Patriot Act is seen by the Bush administration as a key legal tool in the war on terror. It gives the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other US law enforcement agencies greater search and surveillance powers by streamlining procedures and eliminating red tape. But critics have charged that the law threatens to undermine key civil liberties by making Americans more vulnerable to government intrusion. Section 215 of the act has drawn particularly strong fire because it has empowered federal agents to access the reading records of Americans in both libraries and bookstores after securing an order from a secret court. A similar amendment to protect US readers, offered by independent Congressman Bernie Sanders last year, failed to pass by just one vote. But on Wednesday, the pendulum clearly swung in his favor as 38 Republicans joined most of the Democrats in a bid to remedy the situation. The passage of this amendment helps reign in an administration intent on chipping away at the very civil liberties that define us as a nation, an elated Sanders said in a statement. We must do all we can to protect Americans from terrorism, but we must do it in a way that does not undermine the basic constitutional rights that makes us a free country, he added. The amendment passed just one day after the White House publicly threatened to veto the whole bill that funds the Justice, State and Commerce Departments, if the Sanders measure ever saw the light of day. If any amendment that would weaken the USA Patriot Act were included in a bill presented to the president for his signature, the presidents senior advisors would recommend a veto, the White House's Office of Management and Budget warned in a terse statement. But most House members appeared not in the mood for compromises. House Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that when Congress voted for the Patriot Act in late 2001, members were confident it would be accompanied by strong Congressional oversight. That oversight has not occurred effectively, stated Pelosi. Representative Ron Paul (news, bio, voting record), one of two Republican co- sponsors of the amendment, made clear he was wary of the Patriot Act because it promoted big government, an anathema for many traditional conservatives like himself. We must understand that politicians and bureaucrats always seek to expand their power, without regard to the long-term consequences, he cautioned. The vote put a big question mark on the administration's efforts to re-authorize the Patriot Act, key portions of which will automatically expire at the end of this year. In addition to keeping its existing powers, the FBI has been
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-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- a revelation from me to anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells: the tv series x files and milennium were not entirely fictional and chicago fbi office was heavily involved. this is who we are...and we are all we have.-kthomas instead. Retired naval engineer Col. Tom Bearden and others write at length about their experience with electrogravity technology. Over time, Bearden has become the grand old man of electrogravity theory, yet black budget physicists may have slightly different equations for electrogravity. In 1947 when Truman's National Security Act was first implemented, black budget labs reportedly plunged into the study of reverse-engineered technology with an intensity that rivaled the Manhattan Project. Did Bob Woodward hint at such fantastic subjects when he discussed Deep Throat with the San Francisco Chronicle a few years ... i only know of two other times in his life woodward has told the truth--nobody believed him either time-kthomas www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -Caveat Lector- http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=21337 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
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-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- 'Ice-pick that killed Trotsky' found in Mexico http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1507575,00.html Jo Tuckman in Mexico City Thursday June 16, 2005 The Guardian One of the most notorious murder weapons in modern history, the ice-pick that killed Leon Trotsky, appears to have been found, 65 years after it was apparently stolen from the Mexican police. The daughter of a former secret service agent claims she has the steel mountaineering instrument, which is stained with the blood of the Russian revolutionary. Exiled by Joseph Stalin, Trotsky lived a relatively settled life in a leafy suburb of Mexico City until his death in 1940. Article continues Trotsky was always fearful of assassination attempts organised by Stalin. He was finally caught off guard by Ramon Mercader, who on August 20 1940 got access to him on the pretext of needing help. Once in the study, Mercader struck the creator of the Red Army in the head from behind with the shortened pick he had hidden under his clothes. Murderer and ice-pick were taken into custody but the weapon later disappeared. Now Ana Alicia Salas says her father, Commander Alfredo Salas, stole the pick because he wanted to preserve it for posterity. Trotsky's grandson Seva Volkov, who lived with his grandfather at the time and still lives in Mexico, is willing to provide samples for a DNA test against the blood on the handle only if Salas donates the pick to the museum in the house where the murder took place. But she said: I am looking for some financial benefit. I think something as historically important at this should be worth something, no?~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Alamaine Grand Forks, ND, US of A www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == ctrl is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, ctrl gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. ctrl gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. There are two list running, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and CTRL@listserv.aol.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] has unlimited posting and is more for discussion. CTRL@listserv.aol.com is more for informational exchange and has limited posting abilities. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Omimited posting abilities. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Om Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A
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WASHINGTON, D.C.XIt's no secret the FBI let at least two 9-11 hijackersXHazmi and MihdharXslip through its fingers when they landed in California in 2000 and proceeded to live openly under their own names in San Diego before moving into position for the attack. What makes the situation especially ludicrous is that one of these hijackers rented a room from a San Diego landlord who was an FBI informant on the Muslim community.
That's bad enough. But after 9-11, when the Joint Congressional Intelligence Committee found out what had been going on, the FBI refused to allow the informant to be interviewed by the committee staff or to testify.
The FBI actually took steps to hide this man so Congress could not find him. All this is described at some length in former senator Bob Graham's book Intelligence MattersXthe one book on this entire affair written by an actual participant in the behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing over what was permitted to come into public view about 9-11. Graham was chairman of the joint congressional investigation.
To resolve the informant question, Graham writes, he met with Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI director Robert Mueller, and other top officials. But when he tried to serve a subpoena on one top FBI official, the man shrank away and would not take the piece of paper. In the end, Graham says, he discovered that the FBI was taking its hard line on the informant on orders from the White House.
Now comes the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General with a lengthy description of the FBI's relationship with the landlord asset. Like the congressional committee, the inspector general did not interview the landlord, but relies on secondhand information gathered from FBI agents. The landlord no longer works for the Bureau. The inspector general reports, "In July 2003 the asset was given a $100,000 payment and closed as an asset."
It is interesting to note that the 9-11 Commission was formed in late 2002. The Joint Congressional Inquiry, which discovered the landlord's existence and sought unsuccessfully to question him, issued its final report July 24, 2003.
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Bush might look like a lame duck, but it would be foolish to underestimate a president's power in the midst of war. His veto power is formidable. And this president is in the unique position to institutionalize conservative rule by appointing as many as three Supreme Court justices. Places where this lame duck can still do some damage:
BOLTON: Insisting that John Bolton's nomination as U.N. ambassador is still alive, Bush in a recent press conference slammed the Dems for their blocking tactics. Hill Republicans are split. Fire is going out of the debate, and Bolton still might well slide through.
UNITED NATIONS: Bolton is Bush's gift to conservatives who want to dump the U.N. But the oil-for-food scandals are an unexpected GOP political plus, showing the U.N. to be corrupt, badly in need of reform and new leadership. And now comes news that the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency had secret how-to-make-a-bomb files stolen, again making the U.N. look incompetent and even dangerous.
JUDGES: In the face-saving deal with Democrats, Bush got three judges through, including Janice Brown,
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] The State as Idol...
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- The State as Idol... ?Chun gnomharhta drise bh s sin chomh claontaIs gur achtaigh s gurbh ionann dlthe is miantaD?fhonn is gur lide nire a crsa.? ~ Daint Ailgir, Ifreann, Dan V: 55-57.?an interesting article from Stephen Hand of Traditional Catholic Reflections Reports:?It was a sorry day when Julius Caesar proved victorious at the battle of Munda, near the city of Osuna, Spain, which took place on March 17, 45 BC. For Caesar was, from then on, considered invincible by the plebs of Rome. In fact it was shortly thereafter decreed that at all public games an ivory statue of Caesar inscribed ?to the invincible god? should be carried with all religious idols.?Some might readily dismiss me as ?librul? and that certainly is easier and less frightening than seriously responding to any of my queries. However, Stephen cannot be so easily dismissed.The article, in chronicling the deification of Csar states, ?This was something new.?With that, we may readily absolve the Romans who idolised Julius Csar.They hadn?t our history, both religious and secular, behind them.We might also want to go easy on the Germans and the Soviets. While Hitler and Stalin were profoundly evil and wicked men, they were also quite clever and intelligent. And, their people were hungry.Our idol, on the other hand, is certainly not the brightest porch light on the block. And, we are well fed.History will judge us. Severely so.?The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the ?intrinsically perverse? political form of a secular messianism.? ~ Catechism of the Catholic Church, nos. 675-676. http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2005/05/state-as-idol.html When the State is Ultimate http://tcrnews2.com/StateUltimate.html Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---End Message---
[CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] False Dawn: The United Religions Initiative, Globalism, and the Quest for a One-World Religion
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- False Dawn As I mentioned earlier, Lee Penn first alerted me to the then impending spectacle in Washington, D.C.It went on as scheduled, but not without hearing from those of us who refuse to salute Caligula?s horse.If you haven?t read Lee?s article, ?When the State Becomes God?, I highly recommend that you do so?and send it on to someone else to read.The deification of the state is nothing new. Father Alexander Men, a martyred Christian thinker of our own time, vividly explained how the Cult of Stalin was established in the Soviet Union, and how it took on pronounced religious and cultic attributes.In writing of the Germany of Benedict XVI?s youth, John Allen explained how churches were co-opted and taught Hitlerian fascism as their new Gospel.All too often, this happens with the collaboration and even encouragement from those who ought to be elders and shepherds of the churches, as we now see this happening today in our own country. Some even hold it as an Article of Faith that Almighty God used the Supreme Court to trump the popular election to anoint George W. Bush as the new President.We even see how his claims to Divine Mediumship are unchallenged.Thankfully, we now see the first stirrings of resistance to attempts at enshrining the Bushling in their churches, seminaries and even at a Catholic communion breakfast.Lee Penn has been observing these and similar modern trends with a keen eye. Recently, he announced his latest opus:?My new book, False Dawn (about the United Religions Initiative, the New Age movement, and globalism), is now in print and available for purchase. It is 508 pages long (including the bibliography and the index), and contains a great deal of new information and analysis that has not been published anywhere before. The book is an extended challenge to those who would impose what the Pope has called a ?dictatorship of relativism.?"As you can see from the aforementioned article, Lee is a thorough researcher and a riveting writer. His book can be ordered through the link provided. http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2005/05/false-dawn.html False Dawn: The United Religions Initiative, Globalism, and the Quest for a One-World Religion by Lee Penn Page count: 508ISBN (pb): 1-59731-000-X False Dawn also has an expanded: website The interfaith movement, which began with the 1893 World?s Parliament of Religions in Chicago, has grown worldwide. Although this movement has been largely unknown to the public, it now provides a spiritual face for globalization, the economic and political forces leading us all from nationalism to ?One World?. The most ambitious organization in today?s interfaith movement is the United Religions Initiative (URI), founded by William Swing, the Episcopal Bishop of California. Investigative reporter Lee Penn, a Catholic ex-Marxist, exhaustively documents the history and beliefs of the URI and its New Age and globalist allies, the vested interests that support these movements, and the direction they appear to be taking. The interfaith movement is no longer merely the province of a coterie of little-heeded religious idealists with grandiose visions. The URI?s proponents have ranged from billionaire George Soros to President George W. Bush, from the far-right Rev. Sun Myung Moon to the liberal Catholic theologian Hans Kng, and from the Dalai Lama to the leaders of government-approved Protestant churches in the People?s Republic of China. The interfaith movement, including the URI, is being promoted by globalist and New Age reformers who favor erosion of national sovereignty, marginalization of traditional religions, establishment of ?global governance?, and creation of a new,
[CTRL] Fwd: [corp-focus] What To Say to Jack and Jim?
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- What to Say to Jack and Jim? By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman We were in an empty West Virginia courtroom last night with two young boys -- let's call them Jack and Jim -- ages 10 and 8. Time for homeschooling -- Justice 101. Let's say Jack that you go into Jim's candystore and steal a chocolate bar. Jim calls the police. The prosecutor charges Jack with theft. Jack will be charged and brought to trial in this courtroom. The prosecutor will sit at this table over here. What's this over here? This is the witness stand. The prosecutor will call Jim as a witness. Jim will testify that Jack stole the candy bar. Over in this box sit 12 of Jack's fellow citizens. They will hear the evidence. Behind this bench over here sits the judge. The judge will determine what evidence gets to the jury. After the jury hears the evidence, they will walk back into this room, close the door, and decide whether Jack is guilty or not. After reaching a verdict, the jurors will file back into the jury box and tell the judge of their decision. If the verdict is guilty, the judge will hand down his sentence. Jack will go to jail. His reputation will be in tatters. His life destroyed. No more play group. No more swimming in the creek. No more candy bars. That was last night's lesson. This morning, we awake to a front-page Wall Street Journal article reporting that KPMG -- one of the nation's big four accounting firms -- is facing criminal charges for the aggressive marketing of abusive tax shelters that cost the federal government $1.4 billion in lost revenue. A November 2003 Senate report found that KPMG devoted substantial resources to and obtained significant fees from potentially abusive and illegal tax shelters costing the U.S. Treasury billions. According to the Journal, last year, the Internal Revenue Service told a federal court that KPMG falsely asserts that it has never developed, sold or promoted a tax shelter and that KPMG tried for years to delay or conceal evidence behind sometimes false claims of legal privilege. Here's the first sentence from the article, written by Journal reporter John R. Wilke: Federal prosecutors have built a criminal case against KPMG LLP for obstruction of justice and the sale of abusive tax shelters, igniting a debate among top Justice Department officials over whether to seek an indictment -- at the risk of killing one of the four remaining big accounting firms. KPMG issued a statement yesterday saying that it takes full responsibility for the unlawful conduct by former KPMG partners during the period under investigation by the Justice Department. KPMG said it has taken actions to ensure that this type of conduct does not occur again, including firm-wide structural, cultural and governance reforms. In the wake of the criminal prosecution of Arthur Andersen, which drove the accounting firm out of business, federal prosecutors increasingly have shied away from criminally prosecuting big firms. Increasingly, federal prosecutors look to what impact a criminal prosecution will have on the firm. First came the deferred prosecution agreement -- that's where prosecutors file an indictment on the condition that the company behave itself for a period of years, usually two. If things are in order after two years, the indictment is dropped. Slate wiped clean. No record of indictment. No conviction. Then came the no prosecution agreement -- prosecutors agree not to bring an indictment on the condition that the company change the way it does business. With the Supreme Court's reversal of the Andersen conviction, combined with a number of high-profile white-collar crime not guilty verdicts, prosecutors find themselves on the defensive. As a result, increasingly, corporations are being deemed -- too big
Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/16/2005 2:00:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Think the Palestinians are worth it?Eh? No, and neither are the Israeli. Any peoples who cannot make peace in fifty years are not needed on the planet. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Will the CIA let Posada spill the beans on all their dirty tricks in Latin America?
-Caveat Lector- www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=37840 Thursday, June 16, 2005 Will the CIA let Posada spill the beans on all their dirty tricks in Latin America? The New Agenda's Charley Allan writes: We are going to hit a Cuban airplane, said Luis Posada in Caracas, Venezuela, according to a recently declassified CIA document. On October 6 1976, just days later, Cubana Airline flight 455 exploded off the coast of Barbados, killing all 73 passengers. Posada, who is 77 and has dual Venezuelan and Cuban citizenship, was arrested in Miami on May 17 for illegal entry into the US. He is claiming asylum and, so far, the Bush administration has refused to extradite him to Venezuela, where he is wanted for the terrorist bombing. Until 1974, the ex-CIA agent, who specialized in explosives at the infamous School of the Americas in Georgia, was head of the Venezuelan political police -- DISIP -- from where he, reportedly, oversaw the assassination of prominent leftists. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has threatened to sever diplomatic links if Posada is not turned over, which the US is obliged to do under bilateral treaties. He has accused the US of harboring a known international terrorist, making a mockery of its ?war on terror.? ?We demand that the US government stop its hypocrisy and its two-faced attitude and send this terrorist, this bandit, to Venezuela,? Chavez insisted last month. ?The world is watching.? This case has become a major headache for George Bush, who is loth to give up such a loyal veteran of the right-wing cause. Posada is hailed as a hero among Miami?s rich, Castro-hating Cuban exiles, who form a key component of his base of support, as well as that of Bush?s brother Jeb, the governor of Florida. A policeman in the Batista dictatorship, Posada also participated in the Bay of Pigs invasion as part of ?Operation 40.? Their mission was simply to assassinate Castro. He also freelanced for the Las Vegas mafia, at one point, supplying mob boss Frank ?Lefty? Rosenthal with detonators and fuses for car-bombs, according to the FBI. Two Argentinean founders of the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, a movement which supports parents of missing or tortured people in south America, are also demanding Posada?s extradition. They accuse him of involvement in Operation Condor, the US military plan which coordinated the bloodthirsty dictatorships of the 1970s in the region. After bribing his way out of Venezuelan jail in 1985, he worked for Oliver North, directing terror against the people of Nicaragua, supplying the US-backed Contras with weapons in an illegal war against the Sandinista government. The main focus throughout his life, however, seems to be an obsession with overthrowing Fidel Castro. Posada masterminded a string of bombings in Havana during an international youth and student festival in 1997, resulting in the death of an Italian tourist at the Copacabana hotel. ?We didn?t want to hurt anybody,? he claimed in an interview with the New York Times the following year. ?We just wanted to make a big scandal so that the tourists don?t come any more.? ?I sleep like a baby,? he famously boasted, showing little remorse for the misery he caused. ?That Italian was sitting in the wrong place at the wrong time.? In 2000, he was caught red-handed in Panama, preparing to assassinate Castro by blowing up a packed auditorium of over 3,000 students with 33 pounds of C-4 explosives. Although found guilty, he was pardoned in 2004 by outgoing President Mireya Moscoso, who promptly moved to Miami. Reports that he was back in the US began surfacing earlier this year, but the government denied any knowledge of his whereabouts. However, after Posada held a press conference in Miami, this illusion was impossible to sustain and it was forced to act. Appearing in an El
[CTRL] Chronicles: Dmitry Rogozin: Russia's Man of the Future?]
-Caveat Lector- "James George Jatras, a Washington D.C.-based attorney and occasional Chronicles contributor, was for many years a senior policy analyst with the U.S. Senate Republican Leadership. He was in Moscow last weekend as a guest at the Rodina congress. In his opinion..." http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/newsviews.cgi/Russia/2005/06/14/Dmitry_Rogozin__Rus Tuesday, June 14, 2005 Dmitry Rogozin: Russias Man of the Future? The 5th congress of the Rodina (Motherland) party was held in Moscow on June 11. Some 1,000 delegates and guests heard the leader of this rising Russian political force, Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin, deliver the rousing keynote addressTo Slay a Dragonin which he offered the Russian equivalent of a Buchananite political, economic, and national program. Having followed his career with some interest over the past decade, I believe that Rogozin has now matured into a serious contender for Russias presidency in 2008. Rogozin accused Putins Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov and the Kremlins economic liberals of corruption, of being insufficiently resolute in dealing with the hated oligarchs, and of economic incompetence. A social government should represent the interests of the majority of the peopleand the majority is against those in power, Rogozin declared. If the president pursued the same policy, we would say no to him, too. Seeking to pre-empt those Russians hoping to repeat the scenario of Ukraines stage-managed orange revolution in the streets of Moscow, Rogozin claimed any such regime change would be ginger in coloran obvious allusion to the hair color of Anatoly Chubais, the hugely unpopular pro-Western, reformist liberal. James George Jatras, a Washington D.C.-based attorney and occasional Chronicles contributor, was for many years a senior policy analyst with the U.S. Senate Republican Leadership. He was in Moscow last weekend as a guest at the Rodina congress. In his opinion, No one should take lightly Dmitriy Olegovich Rogozins prospects for becoming the next president of Russia. To start with, as a politician, he is an extremely attractive and personable candidate. His manner in private is indistinguishable from his appeal to a mass audience, connecting in both contexts as genuine and capable. More importantly, as a statesman, his political persona seems to have real substance behind it. Mr. Rogozin has his hand on the pulse of a broad segment of the Russian population, which, while not wishing to see a return of Marxist-Leninist ideology, are thoroughly disgusted with democracy and the free market as they have been marketed in debased form in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet system. Rodinas leftward economic platform should be taken less as an endorsement of dogmatic Soviet collectivism, says Jatras, than a rejection of the oligarchs looting of Russias national patrimony and the sink-or-swim economic Hobbesianism into which most Russians were plunged without benefit of either property or legal protection. Rogozin and his party take great pains to insist that their Russian patriotic appeal is not chauvinist nor even nationalist, and that respect for the identities and traditions of all of Russias many ethnic groups is itself part of what makes Russia what it is. The fact the most of the partys leadershipincluding Rogozin himself and a large portion of the Partys public followingare practicing Orthodox Christians, Jatras sees as conclusive evidence that Rodina is not a throwback to communism: At the same time, Mr. Rogozins and Rodinas desire to see the restoration of a strong Russian national state, and his seeking common ground with both Europe and China, points to a troublesome potential development for proponents of U.S.-led benevolent global hegemony and architects of the so-called color revolutions that are progressively transforming Russias strategic space into one dominated by Washington. Following successful U.S- Soros-supported efforts in Georgia in 2003 and Ukraine in 2004, speculation is rife as to who is next, with the leading guesses being Belarus and Kazakhstan. Most observers believe Belarus will be a tough nut to crack, however, with the Lukashenko government having imposed severe restrictions on the NGOs that serve as the essential transmission belts for mobilization of the pro-Western, reformist, democratic forces. Kazakhstan seemed to be a more likely bet for the next upheaval, with President Nazerbayevs government having been relatively open to outside influences. In early June, however, the Kazakh parliamentwith an eye to events in Kyrgystan and Uzbekistan, and their own upcoming presidential election in 2006enacted tight new restrictions on foreign-funded organizations. In foreign affairs Rogozin laments Russias effective abdication of its status as a great power in the post-communist period as dangerous not only for Russia but
Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Prudy L To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/16/2005 2:00:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Think the Palestinians are worth it?Eh? No, and neither are the Israeli. Any peoples who cannot make peace in fifty years are not needed on the planet. Prudy == It's not your fucking planet racist bitch! You don't get to decide which groups of people " are not needed " on it. The Israelis have needed peace since 1948. They desperately want it. They have made the effort many times. Publicly and secretly. Unfortunately, the Arabs are bound by their religion not to allow non-Muslims ( especially Jews ) to live on Muslim conqueredterritory as equals. This will not change any time soon. The question posed to you and your racist ilk is... Are you going to risk a major nuclear disaster just because you are an anti-Semite? Ifbigotry is more important than your life and health, what does that say about you? The REALITY is: The Jews will NEVER AGAIN allow their destruction to be costless. You NEED TO GET THIS POINT! The Arabs will never allow an infidel state to exist in their back yard. Allah wills it. There will not be a voluntary peace. The Palestinians will not allow it. They forced Arafat to decline Oslo. There can ONLY be an imposed peace through militaryvictory by one side or the other. If the Arabs win, everybody on the planet loses. Especially the people of the Middle East. They will be dead. Israelis, Palestinians, Christians, tourists, and probably 20 to 40 million Arabs/Muslims from North Africa to Pakistan. If the Israelis win, the Palestinians will be finished as a political entity. They will not get a state. They will most likely be expelled from the area. The Israelis will impose peace on the region for at least a generation or two. This is what is at stake. THIS IS THE UNDERLYING REALITY OF THE MIDDLE EAST. B www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: flw2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East -Caveat Lector- Israel will NEVER give up their nukes. Never. Even if every other country in the world did. No doubt. That is why the Middle East will soon be awash in nukes. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria will soon all have nukes. No they will not. Israel will not allow it.Watch what happens to Iran. Guess that should make Israelis feel a lot safer. Quite ridiculous since if any Middle East country actually used nukes, the fall out would destroy the user as well as the victim. Eventually they will probably all blow themselves up. flw Maybe yes, maybe no. But it's not just about them. A nuke war in the Mid East will DEFINITELY effect you. No oil, and plenty of fallout for you to enjoy. Have a nice day. B www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Why this blind support of Israel-whatever-it-does?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: tawny To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Why this blind support of Israel-whatever-it-does? -Caveat Lector- Instead of a State Department office to monitor anti-Semitism around the world, how about a State Department office to monitor persecution of dissidents and anti NWO/pro-freedom activists/researchers around the world - let's protect the real endangered species here, noble ones...you! Check email on your mobile phone.== == You're an idiot. Nobody cares what you think. You don't have a clue. You and anti NWO/pro-freedom activists/researchers around the world - serve their purposes beautifully. You turn good information into shit with your foolishness. Nobody has helped cover up 911 more than the idiotic 911"Truth/Skeptic" bunch. Get over yourself. B www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel Signing NPT Key to Peace in Middle East
-Caveat Lector- Maybe yes, maybe no. But it's not just about them. A nuke war in the Mid East will DEFINITELY effect you. No oil, and plenty of fallout for you to enjoy. Have a nice day. Guess what, bad things happen. No doubt the end result of the US's stupid Middle East policy. Unfortunately seems to be inevitable. But at least it will one less problem area of the world. Might not be a bad trade off. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Why this blind support of Israel-whatever-it-does?
-Caveat Lector- You're an idiot. Nobody cares what you think.You don't have a clue. You and anti NWO/pro-freedom activists/researchers around the world - serve their purposes beautifully. You turn good information into shit with your foolishness.Nobody has helped cover up 911 more than the idiotic 911Truth/Skeptic bunch.Get over yourself. B My God ! What brilliant analysis! Must be a lurking Harvard Professor. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance??not soap-boxing??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
